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[TobyJake]

Yes, you and every other Expert™ in this thread. Also props for comparing UI development for databases to game development as if that qualifies you to pass judgement. That's like saying you know how cars work because you manufacturer brake lights. 

 

Does the game have problems? Sure. Is it still running fine for the majority of users? Yes. Does it suck to be one of the ones affected by an issue? Definitely.

 

But the amount of ludicrous hyperbole going on around these forums is beginning to border on ridiculous. Never mind the amount of people that have become experts on game development and the game industry all of a sudden. You want to do something legitimately constructive? Then document issues and present them in an actionable form like a reasonable adult. 

 

Standing in Bioware's front yard yelling names all day and only stopping when other people walk by so you can brag to them about how you know how to trim hedges better accomplishes nothing.

You didn't even read what I said or take it in! I never spoke from the viewpoint of a developer. And the only thing I did say, was that Inquisition was not ready for release as a PC version. Make a checklist of things that should be in release version for PC. Then check DA:I for implementation.

Inquisition does not tick many boxes. Inadequate mouse functions, inventory console based, no tooltips, tactics not implemented, companions do not respond to commands. By the way where else do you present your comments other than The Bioware Forum? Several hundred pages and you never hear a squeak from Bioware.  We are talking PC by the way, not console. I do have some experience in presenting something in that medium, and I know that my seniors would take me to task for trying to release an unfinished product. I also did not say it was bad, just not ready for release.

[tevix]

1) Please go look up the word "pedantic". Also, you just did precisely what I predicted you would. Without a shred of irony at that.

 

2) I made no such assumption. I was only demonstrating that the perception of horrific wide spread world ending issues is in reality a smaller more vocal group. 

 

3) "You lack perspective, and reality". Physician, heal thyself.

Translation:  I have no real rebuttal, so I'm going to lob some fancy sounding feather-weight potshots.

 

You think the issues are small, and bioware active in addressing them?  Go check out the old-gen problems thread sometime.  In over 1000 posts, with plenty of new people adding in, all they've gotten is a moderator saying to stay on topic (which it already was), to post in the EA help thread (which they already were with no real response), a line about how the feedback forums aren't for feedback, and the devs don't come into here to help people (which they do).  They've refused many requests to sticky the thread.

 

The exact inverse of the PC thread.  Perhaps that's why you lack perspective.  You haven't bothered to really look at anyone else's.

[Xhaiden]

You didn't even read what I said or take it in! I never spoke from the viewpoint of a developer. And the only thing I did say, was that Inquisition was not ready for release as a PC version. Make a checklist of things that should be in release version for PC. Then check DA:I for implementation.

Inquisition does not tick many boxes. Inadequate mouse functions, inventory console based, no tooltips, tactics not implemented, companions do not respond to commands. By the way where else do you present your comments other than The Bioware Forum? Several hundred pages and you never hear a squeak from Bioware.  We are talking PC by the way, not console. I do have some experience in presenting something in that medium, and I know that my seniors would take me to task for trying to release an unfinished product. I also did not say it was bad, just not ready for release.

 

I did read what you said and you did not read what I said. You are now moving the goal posts.

 

I was taking you to task for claiming the game is not even in an alpha state. Then trying to justify this statement by claiming expertise in a different industry.

[Xhaiden]

Translation:  I have no real rebuttal, so I'm going to lob some fancy sounding feather-weight potshots.

 

You think the issues are small, and bioware active in addressing them?  Go check out the old-gen problems thread sometime.  In over 1000 posts, with plenty of new people adding in, all they've gotten is a moderator saying to stay on topic (which it already was), to post in the EA help thread (which they already were with no real response), a line about how the feedback forums aren't for feedback, and the devs don't come into here to help people (which they do).  They've refused many requests to sticky the thread.

 

The exact inverse of the PC thread.  Perhaps that's why you lack perspective.  You haven't bothered to really look at anyone else's.

 

I admire your persistence at in putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about me. Never mind accusing me of feather weight potshots right after telling me I have no perspective nor grip on the reality. So, it is okay for you to take that tone with me, but not for me to reply in kind? Especially given that the only thing I ultimately did was point out that we need to have some perspective on this situation. You don't get to hurl rocks from a glass house then complain when you get beaned upside the head with a stone. Never mind acting precisely as I predicted you would without a hint of irony about fulfilling that prediction to a T. 

[tevix]

I admire your persistence at in putting words in my mouth and making assumptions about me. Never mind accusing me of feather weight potshots right after telling me I have no perspective nor grip on the reality. So, it is okay for you to take that tone with me, but not for me to reply in kind? Especially given that the only thing I ultimately did was point out that we need to have some perspective on this situation. You don't get to hurl rocks from a glass house then complain when you get beaned upside the head with a stone. Never mind acting precisely as I predicted you would without a hint of irony about fulfilling that prediction to a T. 

Yeah, we do need perspective, and I think you lack it.  You call the game good by the majority of players based on virtually no information.  You call bioware active in the forums despite plenty of direct evidence to the contrary.  You tell me I did what you expected...whatever that is, and hand waived everything I said with just that statement.  That's not an argument, it's not a rebuttal, it's a potshot.  You also accuse the many people having significant issues, whose complaints are legitimate, as acting as if the world is ending because their game is broke.  That's exaggeration on steroids, and seems like a dismissive potshot as well.

 

In fact, considering your inability to respond to the bulk of my LAST post, and now lob some slightly less fancy and slightly more heavy potshots at me, I don't think you lack perspective.  I think you lack perspective AND are in denial.

[TobyJake]

I did read what you said and you did not read what I said. You are now moving the goal posts.

 

I was taking you to task for claiming the game is not even in an alpha state. Then trying to justify this statement by claiming expertise in a different industry.

You are claiming expertise in gaming? The PC version was not ready for release. Period. Several thousand posts say otherwise. Maybe it wasn't alpha, but you would know that of course! Beta is the maximum you could give it. It isn't unplayable. Finished once and 2/3 through second time. Console ready maybe, but not for PC

[Cervin]

You are claiming expertise in gaming? The PC version was not ready for release. Period. Several thousand posts say otherwise. Maybe it wasn't alpha, but you would know that of course! Beta is the maximum you could give it. It isn't unplayable. Finished once and 2/3 through second time. Console ready maybe, but not for PC

Are we playing the same game eh? Couse my Pc-version is fully playable. Some minor bugs here and there ofc and some wonky controls (but can easly be solved with an XBOX controller(!).

[tevix]

You are claiming expertise in gaming? The PC version was not ready for release. Period. Several thousand posts say otherwise. Maybe it wasn't alpha, but you would know that of course! Beta is the maximum you could give it. It isn't unplayable. Finished once and 2/3 through second time. Console ready maybe, but not for PC

Current-gen ready.  Solid beta for last gen.

[s1rrah]

Standing in Bioware's front yard yelling names all day and only stopping when other people walk by so you can brag to them about how you know how to trim hedges better accomplishes nothing.

 

 

word.

[TobyJake]

There is an enormous difference between playable and acceptable. Sure you can play with 1/3 of your abilities and using a game pad.

A game with 1/3 of controls not implemented can still be played. Should not be released that way. But it was developed for PC by PC users. 

Defending that statement gives a good indication of your alignment. I stand by my opinion. Beta version at best. But could have been so much more.

[Cervin]

Doubtful a "beta" version could be a GOTY though. And for the controls I don´t need xx abilities to beat things and if needed I can switch spells ..and then you have your companions spells etc.

[Halcyon Lavellan]

The issue isn't the validation of people's opinions here, which I think is becoming somewhat overcooked.

No one is taking away from your right to complain, even if they may be making judgment on the validity of those complaints and the way you present them (full disclosure, I'm one of the ones who agree the histrionics demonstrated here are unproductive and do no favours for those partaking in them).

From my perspective, these are peer to peer forums for productive problem solving, in contrast to a medium for emotional unloading and social media style reaction validation - if there's an actual technical problem, describe it in detail along with your specs such that either fellow players or bioware staff can create solutions and action out of the data.

There is little point getting worked up over controls imho - as I posted yesterday, I personally have no issues at all with it and would regard it as a minor quibble at best - before I got over it and simply adapted. This is a subjective measure and is no more a symptom of a broken game than say those of simplified AI tactics. Again, this is a *preference*. And again at best, I got over it and adapted. In fact I was quite impressed since as long as the overall AI was passable it saved excessive tactic programming. To me, it also simulated gettting to know your companion's fighting styles and synergising better with experience. That's my opinion and preference, and it doesn't mean the game is broken.

The "thousands of posts" across this thread are mostly along similar circular lines, and don't provide actual value to anyone other than those seeking self-validation on the Internet.

If there's an actual technical issue, then by all means detail it along with your specs and let's see what we as a group of fellow gamers can do.

Suggestions and design improvements *from your perspective* are most welcome in the suggestions forum in the meantime.

EDIT - autocorrect corrections and a polishing of meaning as appropriate.

Modifié par Halcyon Lavellan, 27 décembre 2014 - 09:43 .

[AnubisOnly]

Doubtful a "beta" version could be a GOTY though. And for the controls I don´t need xx abilities to beat things and if needed I can switch spells ..and then you have your companions spells etc.

Well.. Skyrim won GOTY too, and we all know how buggy Skyrim was back in 2011...

[tevix]

Doubtful a "beta" version could be a GOTY though. And for the controls I don´t need xx abilities to beat things and if needed I can switch spells ..and then you have your companions spells etc.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't really the last-gen versions that got that award.

[Cervin]

I'm pretty sure it wasn't really the last-gen versions that got that award.

Nope. it was probably the game as whole who got it..same goes for Skyrim couse you can´t say Skyrim is a bad game despite all the bugs etc.

[glosoli]

Nope. it was probably the game as whole who got it..same goes for Skyrim couse you can´t say Skyrim is a bad game despite all the bugs etc.

 

DAI is great if you can run it + almost all the candidates were buggy as hell. Frankly, there were no real competitors at all.

[tevix]

Nope. it was probably the game as whole who got it..same goes for Skyrim couse you can´t say Skyrim is a bad game despite all the bugs etc.

If the game as a whole was considered, I don't see how it would have won.

[TobyJake]

The issue isn't the validation of people's opinions here, which I think is becoming somewhat overcooked.

No one is taking away from your right to complain, even if they may be making judgment on the validity of those complaints and the way you present them (full disclosure, I'm one of the ones who agree the histrionics demonstrated here are unproductive and do no favours for those partaking in them).

Understood, and I agree. These forums have not helped. The other forum "PC Community Concerns" was initiated by Mike Darrah back in November. The sad thing was the non appearance of any Bioware interaction. And that would have totally defused any and all issues,  It became more heated the longer it continued. The vast majority of users on the forum would have been overjoyed to have some communication from Bioware. That was totally demonstrated when an off duty Bioware employee fielded some questions and gave some updates. Since then there has been nil communication from Bioware. Lots of action on Twitter and Face Book regarding GOTY!! Flaming could have been prevented with Moderators. This situation has been created by Bioware which speaks volumes for their attitude to the public. If a patch ever does come I will install it but not holding my breath.

[tevix]

Understood, and I agree. These forums have not helped. The other forum "PC Community Concerns" was initiated by Mike Darrah back in November. The sad thing was the non appearance of any Bioware interaction. And that would have totally defused any and all issues,  It became more heated the longer it continued. The vast majority of users on the forum would have been overjoyed to have some communication from Bioware. That was totally demonstrated when an off duty Bioware employee fielded some questions and gave some updates. Since then there has been nil communication from Bioware. Lots of action on Twitter and Face Book regarding GOTY!! Flaming could have been prevented with Moderators. This situation has been created by Bioware which speaks volumes for their attitude to the public. If a patch ever does come I will install it but not holding my breath.

At least the PC community got their thread stickied.

[Amplitudelol]

Party banter is still mostly missing from the game at least on PC so...

[glosoli]

Party banter is still mostly missing from the game at least on PC so...

 

Have you tried running the game offline? Also, checking the completed quests tab may help, too.

[Amplitudelol]

Have you tried running the game offline? Also, checking the completed quests tab may help, too.

 

Nope. I did not try offline. Is it a thing or just some rumor?

[Soren Asgard]

Offline mode (if by that, Glosoli meaned "desactivate origin UI for the game") can resolve some problems with intro stutterings. I don't know if it corrects other things, though.

[Mancave]

This is great news, but when is the Qunari going to get fixed ?

[HorrorscopeX]

Lots of people here with an overblown sense of entitlement getting very worked up about a video game, and a studio who for whatever reason are not willing or able to maintain an adequate level of communication or engagement with their consumer base. 

 

Entitled means you do nothing and expect something. The consumer has done something, they bought a product, they are not entiteled, that isn't a word that describes the commerce process correctly. They expect things to work properly, if not they provide feedback, since this is a hard product for refunds it can get nasty as one side may not feel whole in the puchasing deal. This isn't entiteld, if EA were to give the game away for free and people were complaning, then that becomes more what the internet likes to throw around these days "Entitlement". If you are a person that uses Entitlement on the Internet describing others for a purchased product, the next time you get a lemon product and you want to complain, take your advice and just accept it, anything else would be you feeling entitled and you wouldn't want to be that person, would you? Take your medicine which is just accept it. See Entitlement is not the right word here.

 

Just looking for a reasonable roadmap on where this game is going patch wise.