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[Captain Wiseass]

The patch notes are right there on the first page, but the big one seems to have been fixing the Inquisitor's accent changing after recreating Hawke in the Character Creator.

[Brogan]

The patch notes are right there on the first page, but the big one seems to have been fixing the Inquisitor's accent changing after recreating Hawke in the Character Creator.

 

Obviously, I was asking more for players reaction to what they felt was most noteworthy of those fixes.

 

So for you, an in-engine fix for something that should have been working was it.  Which is fine.  I'm not being a ... heh..  a wiseass here.  Just gathering info.

[Captain Wiseass]

I wasn't by any means trying to be comprehensive. All the information you need on what the second patch did is, as I said, right in the OP.

 

If, on the other hand, you wanted something you could leapfrog off of into yet another "Bioware, The Evil Empire" rant/snark... can't help you.

[Brogan]

I wasn't by any means trying to be comprehensive. All the information you need on what the second patch did is, as I said, right in the OP.

 

If, on the other hand, you wanted something you could leapfrog off of into yet another "Bioware, The Evil Empire" rant/snark... can't help you.

 

Actually you just did, but there's no need for me to rant.  Getting more than enough of them from all the first posters who apparently got the game for Christmas, which I'm sure neither of us is surprised by.

 

Funny as I never see you leaping to Bioware's defense whenever they pop up...

[THATanonymousUSER]

this patch has solved none of these issues and bioware refuses to acknowledge this, that the game still freezes and crashes on every cutscene and dialog on pc, every war council, and still has CTD errors with no warning or notification, look at this http://answers.ea.co...126271#U4126271

 

 

i cant even plaay for 5 mins because im stuck on a cutscene that freezes every time.

[s1rrah]

Getting more than enough of them from all the first posters who apparently got the game for Christmas, which I'm sure neither of us is surprised by.

 

Actually, just considering this thread? There's really not more than a handful of badly vexed users ranting here ... and set next to the total users playing the game? It's a rather small group ... not that said small group should be disregarded .. but just to say this is a bit of a jaded microcosm here in this thread...

 

Anyway, I spent some time today reading every review I could find on this game and I'm not sure what's going on ... cause other than one or two reviews which sort of found the game "meh" ... I still haven't found any of these "game breaking" issues in any given review.

 

I'm not sure if Bioware has every reviewer out there in their back pocket or what but I'd guess not. Still ... 99.9% of published reviews are pretty damn favorable.  Hell, even Rock Paper Shotgun ... one of the few review sites I really dig and that are pretty harsh on occasion, seemed to dig it ...

 

What I don't get is how this handful of pretty vocal "broke game" users here are having such a bad experience when the vast majority of users are just enjoying the game. What is the mysterious variable? On a whim, I installed the game on both my brothers very aged AMD based rig (win 7 64) and my fathers gigabyte laptop (win 7 64), which brings me up to four separate installs ... and besides the fact that some machines need to be played on medium, some on low and others on Ultra ... the game remains highly playable and crash free on all systems.  What gives with that shite, man? I'm not trying to poke ... I'm honestly piqued by this ...

 

Same goes for the countless other users/players on other forums where the DA:I threads are near universally just positive banter about what's going on with any given persons game ...

 

Tis a freakishly strange paradox.

[Jackal19851111]

AMD is doing alot better than Nvidia users it seems, I own a 3 yr old PC, with AMD, since switching to windowed fullscreen mode and upgraded drivers all my crashes/freezes/hangs stopped. Fullscreen mode still causes crashes but I don't care since windowed fullscreen is just the same and no FPS loss for me, running on medium to ultra settings on a 1gb card. However I acknowledge that I am one of the lucky ones.

 

Based on observation it seems the majority of folks who can't even run the game at all are with high end rigs and/or using Nvidia. Bioware's focus is on the console market hence latest PC tech is largely untested attributing to the instability. It's just something to watch out for if you are a PC gamer. Personally with mods my experience with the game is saved - however I doubt the devs will acknowledge the contributions of the community. If anything it probably embarrassed them.

[Brogan]

Actually, just considering this thread?

No, definitely not considering just this thread. I don't frequent the threads for last gen consoles, but I know people have significant issues there as well. No, my comments are primarily focused with what I'm seeing in the Feedback section and the PC Concerns thread, where there seems to be a new rant, by a different poster - and often a first poster - everyday.

But be sure you don't intentionally confuse the issues (as Capt Wiseass attempted) between the PC, m&kb specific complaints and these 'game breaking' problems that are clearly plaguing some DAI users (and that happens for almost every pc game released). As Jackal mentions above, it's likely an Nvidia thing which *should* get worked out soon enough. But as for the reviews themselves, the issue is how many of them reviewed the PC version of the game with the controller UI? And what that says to pc users.

That's where the vitriol lies. That's the cause for the many rants I am talking about.

[BammBamm]

AMD is doing alot better than Nvidia users it seems, I own a 3 yr old PC, with AMD, since switching to windowed fullscreen mode and upgraded drivers all my crashes/freezes/hangs stopped. Fullscreen mode still causes crashes but I don't care since windowed fullscreen is just the same and no FPS loss for me, running on medium to ultra settings on a 1gb card. However I acknowledge that I am one of the lucky ones.

 

Based on observation it seems the majority of folks who can't even run the game at all are with high end rigs and/or using Nvidia. Bioware's focus is on the console market hence latest PC tech is largely untested attributing to the instability. It's just something to watch out for if you are a PC gamer. Personally with mods my experience with the game is saved - however I doubt the devs will acknowledge the contributions of the community. If anything it probably embarrassed them.

 

yeah amd users had experienced this a lot in oher games. everytime a "nvidia the way its meant to be played" logo was on your screen you knew the best case scenario would be to loose only a few fps compared to nvidia cards, often it was not the best case scenario. but maybe with mantle and amd hardware in next generation consoles nvidia user should get ready to get used to it.

 

and for the high end systems, its nothing new that new released hardware has problems. flaws in production, no proper driver support, it mostly takes a few months till everything works fine.

and sli/crossfire makes trouble since the beginning. most games need a few patches to make it work properly

 

always the newest, biggest and most expensive is with hardware not always a good choice

[atlantico]

This game is a dream for AMD users compared to the nvidia sponsored games out there and I can't but agree with BammBamm, he speaks the truth. For the best DA:I experience, use AMD GPUs and if you have a single GPU (not crossifire) then use Mantle. It's quite stunning.

[Gundar3]

Actually, just considering this thread? There's really not more than a handful of badly vexed users ranting here ... and set next to the total users playing the game? It's a rather small group ... not that said small group should be disregarded .. but just to say this is a bit of a jaded microcosm here in this thread...

 

Anyway, I spent some time today reading every review I could find on this game and I'm not sure what's going on ... cause other than one or two reviews which sort of found the game "meh" ... I still haven't found any of these "game breaking" issues in any given review.

 

I'm not sure if Bioware has every reviewer out there in their back pocket or what but I'd guess not. Still ... 99.9% of published reviews are pretty damn favorable.  Hell, even Rock Paper Shotgun ... one of the few review sites I really dig and that are pretty harsh on occasion, seemed to dig it ...

 

What I don't get is how this handful of pretty vocal "broke game" users here are having such a bad experience when the vast majority of users are just enjoying the game. What is the mysterious variable? On a whim, I installed the game on both my brothers very aged AMD based rig (win 7 64) and my fathers gigabyte laptop (win 7 64), which brings me up to four separate installs ... and besides the fact that some machines need to be played on medium, some on low and others on Ultra ... the game remains highly playable and crash free on all systems.  What gives with that shite, man? I'm not trying to poke ... I'm honestly piqued by this ...

 

Same goes for the countless other users/players on other forums where the DA:I threads are near universally just positive banter about what's going on with any given persons game ...

 

Tis a freakishly strange paradox.

 

I would say to stay away form the "larger" publications, and go to some of the more less well known ones.  Obviously you have to be able to detect the bias of any article you read.  Alternatively, theres youtube videos which seem to take greater care and arnt normally motivated by money or clicks.  I personally like StarduskLP. 

[CosmicGnosis]

I have a GTX 750, which is an NVIDIA card. Obviously not the strongest card around, but I average around 50 fps with mostly Medium settings, and in 20 hours of gameplay, the game has never crashed for me. Never. Not even once. Am I just lucky? Is NVIDIA really a problem?

[N7 Lisbeth]

I have a GTX 750, which is an NVIDIA card. Obviously not the strongest card around, but I average around 50 fps with mostly Medium settings, and in 20 hours of gameplay, the game has never crashed for me. Never. Not even once. Am I just lucky? Is NVIDIA really a problem?

 

It's not so much an nVidia problem (although the ratio of nVidia problems does surpass AMD issues at the moment due to Mantle circumventing some of the worst of it). The real crux of the problem is powerful machines are incapable of running it. Quad-core CPU? Might have to disable 2 cores. SSD? Page-filing and constant saves burn your drive (proven, check the technical/confirmed issues by the EA support staff in the respective forums). nVidia card? DirectX 11 broken. Capable of running everything on ultra? Draw-distance is inversely bugged, and sound-stuttering bugs cripple frame rates.

 

Most of us were doing fine with the day1 patch -- not awesome, but okay. Patch2 ruined us. I have a 4790k intel cpu, 32gb of ram, ssd, factory-oc GTX 980, and I can't play at all without crippling interface lag despite numerous workarounds. I did manage to fix it/play for a couple of days post-patch2, then it crippled itself again randomly without me doing anything. DA:I has issues. Serious issues. EA reps won't do anything, instead pointing out it's a hot steaming mess for code and there's nothing users can do to fix it. One went so far as to say, officially, they'd have to fix it from the ground up.

 

But low-end users and consoles have higher chances of not having issues, so they've got that going for them, which is nice.

[Essorance]

Actually, just considering this thread? There's really not more than a handful of badly vexed users ranting here ... and set next to the total users playing the game? It's a rather small group ... not that said small group should be disregarded .. but just to say this is a bit of a jaded microcosm here in this thread...

 

This is not a microcosm. Hundreds upon hundreds of posts of disgruntled and ripped-off gamers. Have you done the survey on twitter? Youtube? Facebook? Other gaming websites and forums? Hell, I didn't even know about this place until I had to fkn google a place to be able to give my feedback to the devs (How ironic I should be brought here then, eh?).

 

Point is, you assume this corner of the web is a small and non-representative one so the assumption is everyone who does not post here must be very happy with the game. I can assure you, you have nothing to back that up.

[FOE]

I'm also a pissed-off PC-gamer.  Just another ONE.  Disillusioned, I was sold a different bill of goods here.  There might be a class action lawsuit in the making.  I'm not supposed to say too much, but Bioware should be worried.

[s1rrah]

This is not a microcosm. Hundreds upon hundreds of posts of disgruntled and ripped-off gamers. Have you done the survey on twitter? Youtube? Facebook? Other gaming websites and forums? Hell, I didn't even know about this place until I had to fkn google a place to be able to give my feedback to the devs (How ironic I should be brought here then, eh?).

 

Point is, you assume this corner of the web is a small and non-representative one so the assumption is everyone who does not post here must be very happy with the game. I can assure you, you have nothing to back that up.

 

Compared to the sum total of those successfully playing the game? Yes, those in this thread (and elsewhere) that express game breaking issues could very accurately be described as a microcosm...

 

Not a microcosm without merit and certainly not to be disregarded but a microcosm, nonetheless. 

 

In regards to the player base as a whole, though (think millions of players)? ... the general tack is without question one of players digging their purchase and having fun with the  game ... 

 

And yeah, I'm active all over in tons of gaming/computing forums ... along with several other DA:I threads and folks are digging it ... there's the occasional post for tips/help with a problem or two but the mood in these threads is one of general appreciation and the user base is typically one made up of long time Dragon Age fans; there's certainly not so much as a hint of the Death to Bioware!™ type butt hurt posts that this thread is plagued by. :-) ... but then again, it's appropriate as this is a Bioware forum and one can always hope that it's true that the squeaky wheel does indeed eventually get the grease ...

 

And finally, my comments were simply from a person who is perplexed at the relative handful of users who profess such glaring difficulties as, like I mentioned earlier, I've got four installs going across a wide gamut of machine types (from really entry level to really high end) and across the board, the game plays solid.  These are typical Windows 7 64bit machines (no Win 8 machines, so that might be a factor) ... both AMD and Nvidia ... with all appropriate and registered software (no hacked warez; no pirated warez) ... 

 

And I've got my own complaints with the game (horribly optimized graphics, various quibbling and bothersome interface issues ... cursor size, etc., SLI issues, no real logic based tactics, key binding issues, etc.) ... but as with so many others, these issues far from prevent me from enjoying the game.

 

So just some thoughts and not meant to chastise or belittle ...

[FOE]

^^^  You're just wrong, on most counts.  The bugs have stopped hundreds of thousands of people from playing this game.  People have gone for mass refunds where available.  This game isn't selling well at all.  This "GOTY" crap is a joke....bought and sold.  Meaningless.  Good on you that you're able to enjoy some of it inbetween crashes, but some aren't that lucky.  Plus, you're not helping in regards to getting a patch anytime soon.  You should detail your problems and be vocal about them and stop being a Booware apologist.

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Of course thew game isn't perfect, no game is, especially before the first few patches roll out and, we are only on patch 2. I have a very high end rig with an Nividia GPU and, once I actually did some ttrobleshooting and got the things installed that I needed the crashing stopped (unless I'm playing at 3AM when maint kicks in, then I will get a cutscene crash ocassionally. I assume it's one of the maint. tasks combined with running a cutscene causing that.)

 

I go one no warning crash - I was in a cutscene and hubby accidentally told a video he was streaming to play on my rig rather than his. Oops wrong button there dear LOL.

 

UI could use additions/improvements, the hold command needs to work better and work well w/o going to tac cam. Graphics are great except hair color, especialy black, turn gamma to 75 or above and you can't ahve black hair, lower gama makes the game very dark, too dark to see anything in many indoor areas so, that needs corrected. Some abilities still are not working correctly (bleed and berserk being the big two I want to see fixed.)

 

Still nothing gamebreaking. Sure if you are an overboard perfectionist that goes mental at the slightest imperfection or failure of anything you own, then DAI will drive you bonkers but, it's an enjoyable, working game with a few things that still need to be fixed.

[Sartoz]

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Anyway, I spent some time today reading every review I could find on this game and I'm not sure what's going on ... cause other than one or two reviews which sort of found the game "meh" ... I still haven't found any of these "game breaking" issues in any given review.

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Did you bother compiling how many of these "reviewers" used a Next Gen console vs PC KB+M vs Old Gen consoles?

 

The Old Gen console users have a terrible time, which I find unsurprising.

 

I'd like to hear from you when you do have this information. It will be constructive for all of us.

[BammBamm]

"everybody hates the game and its unplayable"

 

players that like the game and play it - fanboys or bioware employees

mostly good reviews - everbody was bought from ea, even the most unknown youtuber

goty awards from juries - were bought from ea, only community votes are the real deal

goty awards from community votes - ignored, only fanboys and bioware employees voted

 

"so we are still right and represent the majority of players"

 

hail to the personal perception of reality

 

its like

radio: "danger there is a wrong way driver on highway 8"

driver: "one? hundreds of them!"

[Sartoz]

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Of course thew game isn't perfect, no game is, especially before the first few patches roll out and, we are only on patch 2. I have a very high end rig with an Nividia GPU and, once I actually did some ttrobleshooting and got the things installed that I needed the crashing stopped 

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I believe the "standard" is to have a published game install without the need for a tech savvy PC user on standby.

 

This approach, admittedly, is a bit costly since it requires EA to budget for extensive QA efforts. On the other hand, I believe we deserve and expect a 60-70 dollar game to install and work properly. At the very least, the install software must be aware of the hardware / software requirements and check the target PC for compliance before installation begins.

 

My thinking is that the above approach was bypassed, for the PC, to meet the game's launch date. They did, however perform  extensive testing for the Next Gen consoles in order to obtain certification. Developers have no choice in this matter.

[s1rrah]

Good on you that you're able to enjoy some of it in between crashes, but some aren't that lucky. 

 

It doesn't crash on me at all ... 

 

Fug'n around with cheat engine to facilitate certain hacks has caused occasional freezes but I generally play without that and am good for upwards of 4+ hour sessions with no issue (other than fairly abysmal 1440p FPS for a dual 980 system which I really hope they fix) ... no CTD's, though ... 

 

 

Did you bother compiling how many of these "reviewers" used a Next Gen console vs PC KB+M vs Old Gen consoles?

 

 

No ... I didn't ... not to come across as snide or anything but consoles, new or old, don't really factor in to my personal gaming existence and so I'm not really prone to isolate those variables when reading reviews ... just never had a need for them and am completely out of touch with that  sector of the gaming community ... I reckon a good many of the reviews I've seen were using consoles, though ... probably not older ones, though...

[FOE]

@inHellInside - You're a stubborn gamer that tries a million things to get a game to work.  Doesn't THAT take a bit of joy out of the game for you?  Wouldn't you want what was promised?  A PC game by PC gamers for PC gamers by PC Gamers, who watched PC games.   Now I'm confused.  Still wouldn't the promise be better than the reality?  We thought that we'd be able to pause the game and issue commands/control party members.  We got a broken "tac cam".  I'm not even going to go further....it's a friggin' console port.  Just say WHAT platform you're playing with and stomp your hoof once if you're using a controller.

[FOE]

Probably not older ones though....


Oh inhellinside, THIS very game was made to run on the PS3's and Xbox360's....Any enhancements were cut to allow for a broader audience..(i.e. more$$$) - What you find acceptable is another man's trash.  It's about 50/50....and the longer that Bioware waits, the richer their ex-customers will be.