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[Essorance]

If you really want a laugh, go read the IGN "review" of this game that came out before release to boost sales.

-snip-

 

While I no longer work in anything related to gaming I worked for two major game companies (Both bigger than BW in terms of units of games sold in their portfolio). I will tell you this; If you want to talk games, you talk to someone who plays games. You go to your friends, your colleagues, that guy on youtube, customer reviews etc.... You do not go to the industry. Not to gamespot. Not IGN. Not magazines. And I'll tell you why;

 

While working in the gaming world I got to speak to a LOT of people about games. I've loved games since my C64, particularly strategy, role playing and turn based games, but I love competitive and action games too, and the one thing I noticed is I just cannot relate to these people when it comes to games. Why? Well, when I'd go to launch parties or live previews (And I have been to EA ones before, not DA, but NFS and TOR I think) the people at these events aren't gamers. They are just people with jobs. They talk the talk. They use buzzwords like 'community' and 'social media' and 'cutting edge' and all the other kind of **** to fool you into thinking you're on the same page. You talk to them, and you realise they are not speaking from experience, it's as if they are reading something straight out of gamespot. They'll use generic terms like 'great gameplay', 'fluid controls' (who the actual funk says fluid controls??) and  other nonsense. They are basically a teleprompter. The higher ups are even worse, they don't even ATTEMPT to play the game. They retweet positive reviews, sit on a desk, pleasing shareholders.

 

Yknow, gaming is actually a very depressing business which has gone the way of Hollywood and TV where it's just about what and whom you are licking. Does that stop great games from being made? Nope. Does that stop some people in the gaming industry being awesome people? Nope. Does that mean you should ever speak to someone in gaming journalism or publishing about games? Absolutely not!

 

Here I am below with one of the premier faces of gaming journalism (Ex-namco, currently Sony). Knows nothing about games. I was asked to commentate on the final matches of the European leg of their tournament. Not a single word she said made sense. Made me embarrased to be up there with her. What can I expect, she only worked for the company that made the game right? The industry as a whole is turning into a disgrace and from BW's PR campaign it seems they are not immune to it either.

 

[Hero1]

Hello Is there a fix coming for samsons weakness? Also I found a bug where the lady who slaved people isn't in her house. Thank you

[spacefiddle]

What character was that?

 

The annoying reporter with that awful voice and flat acting?  She stood out immediately when I encountered her in game.  I only learned later she was an IGN employee.

 

At the time, in game, i made the rational "I'm a stealth ship, you're a reporter, that doesn't mix" choice and never saw her or heard that annoying whine again.  After the leftovers hit the air circulation apparatus, I found out about the IGN thing.  Went for a playthrough to grab her.  Good lord, my ears.  The "content" she provides is absolute fluff and nonsense, too.  I wanted to shoot her out an airlock.

 

And the final kick in the teeth?  She was a fully animated and rendered 3d model like all the important characters were, while the Tali reveal was a stock photo of some anonymous model, the exact sort of thing you could pay $5 for at iStock, with a bad Photoshop alteration of the hands to give her the proper number of fingers.  And then whatisface that's no longer with Bioware, released some insulting statement about how the whole team spent "hours" on figuring out the right look for Tali, and saw that photo "and immediately we all realized, that's perfect!" or some drivel.

 

That bit of barf was more insulting to me than a lot of the rest of it, tbh.

[Sartoz]

What character was that?

[pondcypress]

 

 

And the final kick in the teeth?  She was a fully animated and rendered 3d model like all the important characters were, while the Tali reveal was a stock photo of some anonymous model, the exact sort of thing you could pay $5 for at iStock, with a bad Photoshop alteration of the hands to give her the proper number of fingers.  And then whatisface that's no longer with Bioware, released some insulting statement about how the whole team spent "hours" on figuring out the right look for Tali, and saw that photo "and immediately we all realized, that's perfect!" or some drivel.

 

That bit of barf was more insulting to me than a lot of the rest of it, tbh.

 

I hear ya there...

I always thought this was perfect,

[spacefiddle]

In the future, professional reporters with strong military ties will go interview well-known and decorated officers while wearing a low-cut undershirt.

 

It could happen.

 

@pondcy: yeah funny how the carefully-selected stock photo had giant poofy hair, wasn't it?  Totally would have fit under the enviro-suit helmet.  snerk

[Viper371]

The annoying reporter with that awful voice and flat acting?  She stood out immediately when I encountered her in game.  I only learned later she was an IGN employee.

 

At the time, in game, i made the rational "I'm a stealth ship, you're a reporter, that doesn't mix" choice and never saw her or heard that annoying whine again.  After the leftovers hit the air circulation apparatus, I found out about the IGN thing.  Went for a playthrough to grab her.  Good lord, my ears.  The "content" she provides is absolute fluff and nonsense, too.  I wanted to shoot her out an airlock.

 

And the final kick in the teeth?  She was a fully animated and rendered 3d model like all the important characters were, while the Tali reveal was a stock photo of some anonymous model, the exact sort of thing you could pay $5 for at iStock, with a bad Photoshop alteration of the hands to give her the proper number of fingers.  And then whatisface that's no longer with Bioware, released some insulting statement about how the whole team spent "hours" on figuring out the right look for Tali, and saw that photo "and immediately we all realized, that's perfect!" or some drivel.

 

That bit of barf was more insulting to me than a lot of the rest of it, tbh.

The model/journalist got a lof of flack for her role, but I honestly felt she was just thrown there by her employer and imposed on Bioware by EA.  Neither of them really wanted to do this, but they had to, at the last minute, and it shown with the lack of lines.

Modifié par Viper371, 29 janvier 2015 - 01:22 .

[spacefiddle]

The model/journalist got a lof of flack for her role, but I honestly felt she was just thrown there by her employer and imposer on Bioware by EA.  Neither of them really wanted to do this, but they had to, at the last minute, and it shown with the lack of lines.

 

You are completely correct - well, we'll never know, but you make a good point.  While she sounded awful, I have no idea what her level of motivation was.  Maybe she didn't really want to do it; it's possible.  

 

But even if she did have the ego to think she could be an actor, the responsibility for that whole facepalm of a character wasn't hers.

[mutantspicy]

No matter how you try to spin this or what other games that aren't this one you cite, nor how "natural" a subjective experience feels to you, it does not alter the facts of how the game was marketed, how PC RPGs have worked for years including those from this company, and that those expectations were strung along and stoked to boost sales.

 

I also don't think you realize that you've supported the above, and kind of shot your own argument in the foot to the point where it's limping around directionless:

 

 

Yes, that is everything we're saying.  People who prefer an action RPG designed for a controller will probably enjoy this.

The menu system is pretty horrible for KB/M users.

 

I'm glad you agree with our main points.

 

But you keep telling us all how much you personally love the controller, and that it somehow invalidates the expectation set by the marketing of this game that it would be the kind of controls and system that have been an industry standard for the genre.  You can say how much you personally love plugging a controller in all you want; still doesn't change that's not what most of the PC RPG customers expect, or want in any way shape or form.  You cite your own personal preference as proof that therefore, we should all want and enjoy what you want and enjoy.  That, sir, actually makes you the one trying to impose your view on everyone else; not the other way around, as your invocation of imaginary "purists" is meant to imply.

 

"You don't like what I like, and you want what you like and were led to expect, therefore I will try to paint you as in the wrong in some objective sense by a straw man tactic of calling you all purists, because purists are bad amirite" is what you are saying.  No.  Just stop.

 

Look I don't have a problem with people complaining about the game.  I have my own complaints.(the magic system is crap, imo)  And yes the game wasn't what I was expecting.  However, I have absolutely no respect for people who attack anyone who has anything positive to say.  With ridiculous comments, like you must not be attentive, or you are clueless, and uninformed console player. You are not an old school RPG fan, you're just button mashing hack, etc ,etc etc.  Or people who don't like the current direction call it fast food gaming etc.  I've seen it all around here.  I don't take it personal, but I'm also not afraid to call people out when they're acting like elitist d**kheads. And for the record I don't believe I witnessed that behavior from you personally.  I was responding to some very snide comment directed at me.  It has nothing to do with you.    

 

So no I haven't created any strawmen here, and looking at everything you highlighted in my post.  Look again. Because I have absolutely been very careful in explaining that these are my opinions, and no way I have I ever suggested my way is the only way.  In fact I'm arguing against exactly that. 

 

And I realize that you weren't being derogatory towards me, but your statement.  "I don't believe that you realize you are supporting our argument."  Insinuates that you think I don't know what I'm saying.  I know exactly what I'm saying, " the KB/M controls are awful IMO.  But the controller is good, IMO. "  So yes I agree with you guys who don't like the KB/M controls.   It also insinuates that you have some majority viewpoint they everyone agrees with. For every person who calls people who enjoy the new direction names because they are offended by someone who likes to play PC games with a controller, or enjoys the action gameplay there's equal amount of people who argue that controller sucks, and KB/M controls are just fine.  

 

For you guys who feel like you got ripped off, because you are uncomfortable with gamepads.  Or simply don't like aRPGs.  Well I'm sorry, I don't feel that way.  What are they supposed to do, advertise that the game is better with gamepad?  So you would be informed?  But that in itself is not a true statement, there are many who really like those controls..  I can't understand why, myself.

[spacefiddle]

However, I have absolutely no respect for people who attack anyone who has anything positive to say.  With ridiculous comments, like you must not be attentive, or you are clueless, and uninformed console player. You are not an old school RPG fan, you're just button mashing hack, etc ,etc etc.  Or people who don't like the current direction call it fast food gaming etc.  I've seen it all around here.  I don't take it personal, but I'm also not afraid to call people out when they're acting like elitist d**kheads. And for the record I don't believe I witnessed that behavior from you personally.     

 

Ah well yeah, that's a different thing entirely.  There's no grounds for that sort of "you must be," but - you did sort of fall into the same thing by invoking "you purists," which made me view the rest of your post in that light.

 

If you just got drawn into the mud-slinging, tho, then I understand that.  It happens sometimes.

[mutantspicy]

Ah well yeah, that's a different thing entirely.  There's no grounds for that sort of "you must be," but - you did sort of fall into the same thing by invoking "you purists," which made me view the rest of your post in that light.

 

If you just got drawn into the mud-slinging, tho, then I understand that.  It happens sometimes.

Its cool man.  But to elaborate on my "purists" comment.  I've seen this attitude for a very long time.  What I really mean by that.  Is simply PC's have always been flexible with how you can input your controls.  I feel like, this view that every game should have perfect KB/M controls has hamstrung the peripheral market.  What happened to VR, why don't we have motion sensing, why don't we tablet interfaces, why are there no good flight sims, Driver sims, anymore.  Its largely because of internet tough guys who insist that every game be limited to perfect KB/M so they play it like the old days., and as a result we have missed out on a lot of good console games.  But we also haven't advanced into new realms of gaming control like we should. For example, a lot of the space flight sims post Freespace 2 didn't even offer flightstick controls and that market completely died.   I feel like when some of the first really good strategy games like CIV came out, the keyboard/mouse was a new way to play that consoles didn't have.  But now days we haven't moved past that, we haven't advanced.   And consoles are catching up.  A 16 button controller, with glovepie and expadder can do anything that any KB/M control scheme can do.  PC gaming as a whole needs to do better.  Its needs to get back to being a leader not a follower.  And beyond all that, there are many people who like to play video games but have physical restrictions, and the PC gaming market hasn't even attempted to help them.   

 

So yeah maybe I let a little old venom out.  As a result of being labeled an unattentive dummy for suggesting the controller works better for DAI.  Either way I do in fact agree a Dragon Age should have solid KB/M controls.  Which in my opinion it doesn't, but again not everyone agrees with that.

[mutantspicy]

Furthermore it goes both ways.  Every game has to eitther work with a 16 button interface or KB/M when sometimes all you really need is a slider or paddle wheel. And certain games should absolutely require a keyboard/mouse/ slider pad to play. There were old Atari 2600 interfaces that had keyboards to play RPGs in the late 70's, I didn't realize this until recently.   This whole argument of Consolification vs PC controls is exactly the problem.  As a result both markets are trying make most games work in both environments for better and mostly worse. And they've limited it to KB/M or 16 button gamepads.  When I remember in the old days when certain games required you to get a certain controller to play it.  This argument much like our current polarized binary political system has created this mindless team mindset devoid of any real innovation.

[DanteYoda]

And while it matters not to me what your preference is. That's fine.  Others feel like they'd rather play with KB/M with this game as well. 

I just find it strange that there so many people that hate the KB/M controls, constantly complain about it.  Then dish out  snide little statements like that insinuate anyone who plays with controllers, is some kind of lower form of life.  Maybe purist is wrong word, perhaps elitist is the right one. 

 

It makes me laugh.

I love KB+M its what i play games on, i have a Ps3 and a Ps2 both sit in a cupboard never being used because i prefer to use my PC. I own a Xbox 360 gamepad but its not connected to my PC anymore because it feels disjointed to play with it, i find the combat in this game very similar to gamepads as in no matter how long i've used them both, i still cannot get used to using them, they feel "wrong" to me and i do not get enjoyment from my games while using them.

 

That is why i hope the combat gets fixed to properly work on kb+m because until they do i can't enjoy this game..

[mutantspicy]

I love KB+M its what i play games on, i have a Ps3 and a Ps2 both sit in a cupboard never being used because i prefer to use my PC. I own a Xbox 360 gamepad but its not connected to my PC anymore because it feels disjointed to play with it, i find the combat in this game very similar to gamepads as in no matter how long i've used them both, i still cannot get used to using them, they feel "wrong" to me and i do not get enjoyment from my games while using them.

 

That is why i hope the combat gets fixed to properly work on kb+m because until they do i can't enjoy this game..

Well i hope they fix it for you.  I will say there are many players that I've talked to who are eliminating the mouse altogether and playing two hand keyboard style by mapping camera controls to the keyboard.  Maybe that would work for you. 

[Panda]

Problem with old gen consoles and DAI is that Bioware has given us lot more silent treatment than other customers. Now, just last week one of devs said that they actually have read old gen thread I made cause for some reason they refuse do old gen thread on this subforum although we have been asking. Somehow only PC community has their own thread, wtf is up with that?

 

Then if you look patches this far.. they don't really have fixes for old gen and the fixes they are supposed to have don't really work. In the end nothing has been fixed this far really, people still are stuck in certain points of game- some can't even run the game. It seems like Bioware don't really care to patch the game for PS3 and XBOX360 at all although we got worst porting when just looking at amount of unhappy customers compared to happy one's.

[Gundar3]

Yeah, those guys who reduce entire relationships their protagonist could have to a codex and are about as inclusive as an action movie from the 80ties, nvm their blatant sexism and inability to do "dark & gritty" without boobs & cheap "jokes" (Aka sex cards). No thanks. Also, I don't want to play white, straight dude Nr. 278, now more grizzled and with a "bigger world than Skyrim".

 

Honest to God, I get the frustration, but I'm sick to the point of anger of the Witcher/CDPR fanboying. *Disgusted noise*

 

See...  I think this is great and actually speaks to the strength of Bioware, as they try to allow for the best of both worlds within their player base.  

 

Where you don't enjoy playing straight, white, male characters; the sort of traditional character that enjoys the sight of beauty and  classic femininity; I am the sort of person that doesn't want to play an SJW dream - the non-white, gender questioning, sexual degenerate.

 

Dragon Age: inquisition allows for all people to come here of all stripes, and really get into a fantasy world that they can enjoy.   

[PAYMO]

Would the "Draconology" be fixed soon?

[snow0815]

Heh thanks for the info, never heard of that squeaky pair of boobs before (or if I did i successfully repressed the memory) so no surprise I didn't recognize her when I interacted with that character. Just looked her up and found this: http://kotaku.com/59...olves-the-wii-u

 

And agreed, the Tali picture business was extremely lame and disappointing. Kinda like the ME3 ending.

[Dubya75]

Yeah, those guys who reduce entire relationships their protagonist could have to a codex and are about as inclusive as an action movie from the 80ties, nvm their blatant sexism and inability to do "dark & gritty" without boobs & cheap "jokes" (Aka sex cards). No thanks. Also, I don't want to play white, straight dude Nr. 278, now more grizzled and with a "bigger world than Skyrim".

 

Honest to God, I get the frustration, but I'm sick to the point of anger of the Witcher/CDPR fanboying. *Disgusted noise*

 

That's fine, you may not like the reference to CD Projekt RED and you may not like their games. I honestly don't care and that was not the point. But if you are arguing their excellence in what they do and the unmatched quality of their product as well as fan support, then I suggest you are simply uninformed.

 

It is not fanboying. It is simply giving credit where credit is due. And since The Witcher and Dragon Age are in the same genre, we will make comparisons. It is healthy for the game industry to have competition and to point out what is being done well and what is not.

 

So dry your tears and stop taking it so personally.

[Dubya75]

OK so here's the thing...(a bit of positive feedback, I guess, to spice things up):

 

I did NOT uninstall DAI like I threatened to do. I play the game every goddamn evening after work.

 

Since the latest patch...hotfix....whatever, my game has been running smoother than ever. Even in Redcliffe.

 

But I am nowhere near changing my mind about the stuff I am unhappy about or opening my wallet to Bioware ever again.

 

So there!

[FOE]

Dubya, do you play with a controller on your PC?

[Jackal19851111]

Nothing wrong with getting your money's worth

 

Just don't pre-order next time, saves the devs from dealing with customers who got ripped off thanks to EA lies/mis-management of customer expectations, as well as having paid full price for console port/buggy game. And it also saves you money to spend on other games in the meantime.

 

I've already moved on to Shadowrun myself, besides I need my strategy fix. That's one genre that will never be consolised, so

[Dubya75]

Dubya, do you play with a controller on your PC?

 

No, I play with KB&M. Can't stand playing this game with a controller. I tried. Why?