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[madrar]

Sooo.  Question for the loremongers around here, since I'm somewhat new to Thedas and missing a bit of the background most here probably take for granted.

 

Is there a non-deus-ex-machina reason Corypheus selected the Divine as his sacrifice? 

 

Blood magic being blood magic, I'd have thought he could've pulled an urchin off the street with more or less the same effect.  Nobody would have noticed.  Evil: 1, Good: 0, no overtime.  Hurrah!   Or is that too simplistic?  

 

Are we supposed to take away some subtext that there is an actual power sublimated in the "blood of the faithful"?  Or the Andrastean faith in general?  (Aside from the Urn of Sacred Ashes, which is itself a problematic fit with magic in Thedas as I understand it, probably thanks to my weak lore background.)  Plus, the CoL verse "Blessed are the righteous, the lights in the shadow.  In their blood the Maker's will is written." seems a little suspiciously worded, but that might be stretching things.

 

From various snippets of dialogue in game, it sounds like Andrastean power (Cass style Seekers and the like) is almost an inversion of Fade power: it makes this side of the Veil less mutable, more real.  But then... then... if generic magic in Thedas is wisps of fade being brought over to this side and shaped by will, and Solas is actually responsible for creating the Veil that Templar and such slam shut on mages, that would make him... from a certain perspective... no.  Not going there.  Too crazy.

 

This is clearly insanity.  Can someone straighten me out here? 

[MPSai]

Uh-.... R-reasons? I dunno, he's a Magister, they like to show off. 

[Walrider]

Likely for the ensuing chaos. Divine dead, and then his plans for Celene to be assassinated by the Venatori paint a picture of a heavily de-stabilized Orlais.

 

Orlais, which is the main bulwark against Tevinter encroachment.

 

Tevinter, which Corypants wants to see rise up.

[Barathos]

Blowing up everything right there at the Conclave is rather convenient for him. Eliminating key faction's leaders can be quite beneficial if you're going to take over the world which becomes apparent when the Chancellor refuses to do anything to save the world but worries more about having a divine.

 

So killing the Divine is poetic to him, not to mention all the lyrium that was everywhere.

[katerinafm]

Considering his other plans, it looks like he planned on killing the Divine anyway. So two birds with one stone.

[Corwyn]

Considering his other plans, it looks like he planned on killing the Divine anyway. So two birds with one stone.

 

 

Sure but there isn't any reason as far as I know that the sacrifice has to be her.  He could have just got some nobody and done the ritual in the basement, everybody at the conclave is still dead he a lot less worry that somebody will interrupt, which turns out to be exactly what happened.

 

The best explanation I can think of is the somewhat cliched villain hubris of wanting to gloat or stage the scene to make it more dramatic.

[Rake451]

Sure but there isn't any reason as far as I know that the sacrifice has to be her.  He could have just got some nobody and done the ritual in the basement, everybody at the conclave is still dead he a lot less worry that somebody will interrupt, which turns out to be exactly what happened.

 

The best explanation I can think of is the somewhat cliched villain hubris of wanting to gloat or stage the scene to make it more dramatic.

Oh, it was clearly about him wanting to be all dramatic and epic.  Cory spends most of his screen time ranting about how he's Thedas's new, true god.  What better way to prove it to his followers, and himself, than to kill the woman who is supposed to represents the Maker's will to humanity.  To him, it's almost poetic.

 

Also, he's kind of a jackass.

[Corwyn]

Why didn't Middle Earth develop helicopters in  the thousands of years that spanned 3 ages and just copter Frodo to Mount Doom?  Realism is boring, that's why!

 

Let's not bring the LOTR eagles debate into this lol.

[DarkSpiral]

This question has been raised several times in the last couple of weeks.  The shortest answer is "It never gets explained."  A better answer (theory,  really) is found in the speculation here.  I think Corypheus was making a statement by using the Divine.

[Steelcan]

Sacrificing some random servant is just so dull, go big

[Sith Grey Warden]

Sure but there isn't any reason as far as I know that the sacrifice has to be her.  He could have just got some nobody and done the ritual in the basement, everybody at the conclave is still dead he a lot less worry that somebody will interrupt, which turns out to be exactly what happened.

 

We don't know that the ritual would've created an explosion, though. It succeeded in opening a breach through the Veil, but it went at least partly wrong thanks to the Inquisitor's timely intervention. The elven artifact didn't explode until it was knocked from Cory's grasp. I would expect that the whole thing would've been much more controlled had the ritual gone as planned.

 

It still doesn't explain why he couldn't kill the Divine more unceremoniously and conduct the ritual somewhere else, though. To that, I would suggest that he had to do it at Haven because of the unusually strong vein of lyrium under the temple. Why during the conclave with the divine? Because he's a megalomaniac trying to take over the world. They do have a dramatic flair.

[Colbyachi]

He picked the Divine because of the mage-Templar war. Knowing that she was the only one who could bring peace. With her dead and the leaders of the 2 factions (mostly)killed it would be much easier to gain control of them in the chaos that would follow. That's my interpretation of the events at least.

[SwobyJ]

Personally, I'm more inclined to the idea that the faithful Andrastans have a specific kind of relationship to the Fade.

 

Andrastans - The Chant gradually makes a Thedas that is more welcoming to good Spirits, but keeps the Veil

Solas - A much more radical form of this, where he may wish to remove the Veil and create a world where mortals and spirits/demons alike have communication with one another, affecting each other

 

 

The Divine Justinia may have a special degree of faith that ascends her, even if typically in invisible ways, beyond most others. If there was a human that could be called a spirit of Faith itself, it would be her.

 

The Forgotten Ones - May wish instead to bring demons onto Thedas, under their sway, to rule this realm forever. Cory might be a pawn of this, along with everything Darkspawn, etc. Those who ally with them (knowingly or unknowingly?) and prove their power, may maintain and grow their personal power to be the strongest on Thedas, compared to the bigger plans of 'Andraste'/'Maker' and Solas. Just wondering

 

This is just a vague idea of mine, but it comes down to the concept that the DAOrigins material we have is but a taste of the larger, much more magical and even cosmic-scale conflict that is bubbling forth, that we've only 'breached' the unknown about with this game.

[Shahadem]

Why didn't Middle Earth develop helicopters in  the thousands of years that spanned 3 ages and just copter Frodo to Mount Doom?  Realism is boring, that's why!

 

Because they already had giant Eagles so they had no need to develop helicopters.

[AresKeith]

Sacrificing some random servant is just so dull, go big

 

Go big or go home

[StarcloudSWG]

Because David Gaider can't let peacemakers live. If Divine Justinia had lived, she might have found a way to make peace and that would make Dragon Age marginally less interesting.

 

It's the same reason Anders had to blow up the Chantry in Kirkwall. Can't let there be a chance of peace when your whole story depends on there being war.

 

Also, it had to be Justinia instead of some random servant because Justinia was *important*. And had a spirit of faith watching her, apparently.

 

With her dead, that throws the southern Chantry into chaos and removes one element that could stabilize southern Thedas. Celene was next, which would fragment Orlais because Gaspard would be a poor ruler and would move right into a war with Ferelden. Thus weakening southern Thedas for Tevinter to take over.

[thanotos omega]

Fun fact, if you pick the middle option at the end of your chat with Cori at Heaven, you reveal that you did indeed trick him into monologing while you waited for the time to fire.

[chr0n0mancer]

It's probably because she was trying to make peace between, and unite Templars and mages, which could pose a threat to his future plans. It also throws the world into chaos, so everyone is blaming each other for her death instead of working to close the beach and stop him. It's a two birds with one stone situation where doing it this way just saves time.

[Swaggerjking]

He picked the Divine because of the mage-Templar war. Knowing that she was the only one who could bring peace. With her dead and the leaders of the 2 factions (mostly)killed it would be much easier to gain control of them in the chaos that would follow. That's my interpretation of the events at least.

Yeah he killed her and most of the important mages and Templars which of whom weren't under his control or manipulation by the lord seeker who could have negotiated peace and then he could gain more mages followers with the venatori and also the templars would be more willing to use the red lyrium

Because David Gaider can't let peacemakers live. If Divine Justinia had lived, she might have found a way to make peace and that would make Dragon Age marginally less interesting.

 

It's the same reason Anders had to blow up the Chantry in Kirkwall. Can't let there be a chance of peace when your whole story depends on there being war.

 

Also, it had to be Justinia instead of some random servant because Justinia was *important*. And had a spirit of faith watching her, apparently.

 

With her dead, that throws the southern Chantry into chaos and removes one element that could stabilize southern Thedas. Celene was next, which would fragment Orlais because Gaspard would be a poor ruler and would move right into a war with Ferelden. Thus weakening southern Thedas for Tevinter to take over.

Well bad guy who has the help of a giant fear demon want chaos especially because it would caused fear which would feed the fear demon and his demon army which in turns make the cory stronger which cause more people to fear him which creates a loop and so on but your extact right about the civil war

[Otter-under-the-mountain]

We don't know that the ritual would've created an explosion, though. It succeeded in opening a breach through the Veil, but it went at least partly wrong thanks to the Inquisitor's timely intervention. The elven artifact didn't explode until it was knocked from Cory's grasp. I would expect that the whole thing would've been much more controlled had the ritual gone as planned.

 

It still doesn't explain why he couldn't kill the Divine in the more unceremoniously and conduct the ritual somewhere else, though. To that, I would suggest that he had to do it at Haven because of the unusually strong vein of lyrium under the temple. Why during the conclave with the divine? Because he's a megalomaniac trying to take over the world. They do have a dramatic flair.

This makes a lot of sense. That said, between (a) him thinking he can use a spell to remove the anchor and failing, (b ) him trying to teach an updated version of that spell to remove the anchor to Erimond that still didn't work, and (c ) the revelation that Fen'Harel gave it to him, it's entirely possible that he just has no idea how the orb is supposed work and is just throwing all the blood magic and lyrium he can at it to see what happened. And if you're going to do that, why not use your main rival as the first sacrifice?

[steamcamel]