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[EricSpade]

Best I can guess is that he knew killing the Divine would cause widespread chaos when everyone started blaming everyone else for her death, plus he was able to kill numerous grand cleric and templar leaders at the temple to remove their leadership and make it easier to manipulate both factions to joining his army. It also removes any chance of there being peace between templars and mages after that, thus keeping that war going and shifting attention away from his plans.

[Kantr]

Well his Original plan was to head straight into the fade. So maybe he planned on conquering the world when he came back

[Tensai]

Idk if Cory needs a reason for anything he does, look, he thinks, he will "cure" the world with whatever he does,. He's crazy. So don't waste time about thinking of him. Cory is obviously the weak link of the main story.

[Ibn_Shisha]

I always feel like it something along the lines of Unknown Armies.  Just like a dipsomancer downing a pbr isn't going to get much for it compared to a 400 year old bottle of Gossett, sacrificing random mook is not going to generate as much power as sacrificing one of the most powerful individuals on the planet.

[earl of the north]

Why the Divine?  Well she is the representive of the Andrastian god, Corpyfish sees himself as a god.....so using her is a big F*** *** to the whole Andrastian faith and the Maker.

 

Also with the explosion at the conclave, he destroyed most of the command level personnel of the Chantry, Mages and Templars plunging southern Thedas into further chaos in addition to the Orlaisian civil war and the mage rebellion leaving southern Thedas wide open for conquest.....so no Divine = win, no leadership (Chantry/Templar/Mages) = win.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

It is for a practical and idealistic reasons. 

Practical for killing the head of the chantry - demotivating the populace, strike fear into their hearts and show that noone is safe.

Ideological because he does not believe in the maker - killing the head of the chantry with no re-action from the maker only consolidates his belief in the maker being non-existant. And further fueling his belief that no "divine" authority can prevent his claim to god-hood. 

I thought this was obvious to everyone. It has nothing to do with the divine being needed as the sacrifice. The divine is just an old woman in a robe with no special powers. Corypheus uses her as a sacrifice to destroy what she represents (what she represents is a lie, so ironically, Corypheus strikes a blow against ignorance. Something which is actually benign).

[Sideshow Jed]

Sure but there isn't any reason as far as I know that the sacrifice has to be her.  He could have just got some nobody and done the ritual in the basement, everybody at the conclave is still dead he a lot less worry that somebody will interrupt, which turns out to be exactly what happened.

 

The best explanation I can think of is the somewhat cliched villain hubris of wanting to gloat or stage the scene to make it more dramatic.

 

He's aspiring to godhood. That means worshipers. Worshipers means attention. Attention means egregious showiness.

 

 

Also there were all those times Justinia called him the worst example of humankind ever created and encouraged others to say the same all over the world.

[Ozzy]

I would have loved to have seen the sequence of events leading to the Inquisitor bursting onto the scene.  Just one big cutscene. 

 

Would have made for a nice conversation.

 

Plus, I'm sure Cory had a thing for Justinia. I'm eager to find out that true love was the root of their problems.

[Call Me Jord]

But I loved the delivery of that line. 

 

Not as good as "Now is the hour of Victory", but still. 

 

[I'll read the op and actually make a useful response! ]

[Corto81]

It reminds me of Dr. Evil and his son Scott.

"Chain up Austin Powers and place him in an elaborate, easily escapable situation".

"Dad, I got a gun right here, lets just kill him."

"Zip it!"

 

It's like...

Corypheus: "Lets go to the meeting, spend an unnecessary amount of time in a place where we could easily get noticed and our plot foiled. We sacrifice the Divine".

Random Darkspawn:"Boss, let's just sacrfice some random peasant, and make a quick covert operation to blow up everything at the meeting":

Corypheus:"Zip it!"

 

...

 

Honestly, I don't know nor did I understand why the Divine was to be the sacrifice, and especially in a place crowded with templars, mages and soldiers...

I just figured it's because Corypheus is the most cartoony villain I've seen in a long while in any game that wanted to present a serious story.

[Ziegrif]

Probably tied to the spirit we see in the fade.

But as others have already said.

 

It's not worth doing if it's not over the top and destroys a couple of factions escalating their war and giving me a chance to take both sides over.

 

VIVA LA EXPLOSIONS!

[eternalshiva]

Justinia = Maker's Will.

Cory says the Maker's throne is empty, there's no maker.

 

Proof -> Killed Justinia, the Maker's Will, no one saved her, there's no maker. The People's Belief System is in disseray, believers are non-believers, the desperate will eagerly accept him.

 

All leader are dead, he's taking over the world as a New God, no religious leaders alive to deny his existance.

 

End Fight - Calls for the Maker, laughs - there is none, just your Inquisitor with Magic they obtained tripping overthem during their stumbling around in the fade.

 

It's a political statement - Tevinter will Rise from the Ashes of it's previous glory now that the Magisters have returned with Godhood that they set forth to obtain a thousand years ago. Crush hope, Crush history - make way for the new maker.

 

Spoiler

Q in Ancient Elves - lolnope, Tevinter totally taking credit on something we did ourselves, losers. Dalish all wrong, laughing forever.

[Fishy]

I am curious how he captured her though . I mean he did it at the conclave. They were thousand of people out there !

[InquisiTron]

Sadly, stupidity (and poor writing) is the only answer here I think. Wondered about it myself for a time but seeing how utterly moronic Cory is during the entire game, think that's the answer that really makes the most sense.


But when you dig a bit deeper, the entire thing comes down crumbling really and, as I think someone pointed out in another thread, DA:I is NOT about you, or Cory, or Orlais or whatever, that's just filler. It's just a "playable" prequel for Bioware story in the Dragon Age world about the coming of the second Inquisition, nothing else.
Unlike the first game, you don't matter whatsoever, you're just a mistake is all. You could be a random brain-dead elven servant who just happened to open that door and it would be exactly the same.

I mean, and this is shown right when the first rift is closed, they don't even need you, they just need your hand thing: The closing of rifts is automatic. You are not strong willed, powerful or with potential, it's not YOU who, due to your inner self, can close the rift, it's just automatic, as can be seen when Solas just raises your hand when you clearly have no clue wtf is going on or what to do and...without you doing anything, the rift closes....job done (and it's pretty rare to win the game 5 mins in, but there you go, you basically win DA:I right there).

If you're anything but 100% non mage human pro chantry after this scene, context of the Inquisition lore should dictate that they immediately chain you up, then drag you along to close rift without your consent as Inquisition forces clear up the areas until the breech is sealed, then they either kill you, or lock you in a deep dungeon while they go wipe out Cory (and they don't need you for that either btw).

So yea, just don't think about it really, can only make you angry

[Ziegrif]

I am curious how he captured her though . I mean he did it at the conclave. They were thousand of people out there !

 

Probably the Grey Wardens worked as a distraction and before the mess escalated outside the temple BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!

[ManOfSteel]

Ascend to godhood whilst also killing the head of the Chantry. Why not?

[Giantdeathrobot]

 

 

Honestly, I don't know nor did I understand why the Divine was to be the sacrifice, and especially in a place crowded with templars, mages and soldiers...

I just figured it's because Corypheus is the most cartoony villain I've seen in a long while in any game that wanted to present a serious story.

 

Who says that Corypheus needs her to die for the ritual to work? He didn't need anyone when he clumsily opened the Breach a second time at the end.

 

As others have said, he's making a statement. Justinia is the head of a church that has spent the better part of a millenia saying Corypheus was basically the root cause of every bad thing ever, while praising a god Cory thinks doesn't exist. Opening up his link to godhood while killing the Divine in the process if one hell of a way to ascend.

 

That, and the death of Justinia and the rest of the conclave re-ignites the Mage-Templar war in earnest. 

 

It was a good plan. The only flaw is that Cory forgot to post a couple guards at the door, to stop the PC from fumbling in.

[Ryriena]

I still hated that I had too force myself to be raw raw chantry is the best thing ever as a mage I was in fear of them locking me up and using the rifts Closing thing in my hand against my will. Heck I am still confused as too how my Dalish mage got in the conclave since she would be the first of her clan as such wouldn't be in the war. :confused:

[Kinsz]

If Villains planned perfectly there would be no game , movies or any of the sort because they would be over before they even begun.

[Cantina]

Here is how I interpret the Divine’s sacrifice.

 

A large portion of Thedas believes in Andraste and The Maker. The Divine is at the top representing The Maker’s will. She is a symbol of that religion in the flesh. Cory chose her to prove he is the true God and The Maker is nothing. Cory said he planned for years to breech the Fade again. No doubt The Divine was part of his plan all along.

 

By choosing to sacrifice The Divine it sends a message. That Cory is the true God and there is no Maker. He could have chosen someone else, but there would have been little sense in that. For me at least Cory choosing to use the Divine made sense.

[Corto81]

Who says that Corypheus needs her to die for the ritual to work? He didn't need anyone when he clumsily opened the Breach a second time at the end.

 

As others have said, he's making a statement. Justinia is the head of a church that has spent the better part of a millenia saying Corypheus was basically the root cause of every bad thing ever, while praising a god Cory thinks doesn't exist. Opening up his link to godhood while killing the Divine in the process if one hell of a way to ascend.

 

That, and the death of Justinia and the rest of the conclave re-ignites the Mage-Templar war in earnest. 

 

It was a good plan. The only flaw is that Cory forgot to post a couple guards at the door, to stop the PC from fumbling in.

 

How was it a good plan lol?

 

It got foiled by a completely random person strolling in through the door...

 

I mean, the place was brimming with powerful mages, templars, seekers, soldiers, who knows who else...

 

And his master plan is to make an extended ceremony right there and then, with no freakin door guards etc.

 

It was a pretty weak plan lol.

More importantly, it's some questionable writing. Diablo 3 style.

 

...

 

Also, the whole mage-templar mage conflict, so much talked about and so "impossible to solve"...

You sorta handle it in about 20 minutes, by doing one quest.

[TheLastArchivist]

The forum is not letting me post big posts -don't know why-, so I'll post my opinion in 3 posts or more.

[TheLastArchivist]

1 - There's an esoteric reason for Corypheus's choice. And a strong one.

 

In satanic rituals, the nature of the sacrifice amplifies the power of the ritual. Sacrificing an innocent kid, for example, is more perverted than sacrificing a full-grown man, who will put up a fight before dying.

[TheLastArchivist]

2 -Same thing with raping a virgin in an altar. The sheer perversion of both these acts is believed to call forth spirits of low frequency -demons, if you wish to call it -, because that's what they like to see. Demons appreciate anything that causes pain and suffering. And nthing does that better than blatant abuse.

[TheLastArchivist]

3- For those who have mediunic abilities, these acts generate a negative charge of energy that causes physical pain. That pain is the bad energy that attracts the demon. You can then ask favours from him or even bind him, if you're powerful enough. But binding has a price, and that price might be the integrity of your soul.