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[Todd23]

Knight Enchanter is not Arcane Warrior. And the Dalish elves know nothing about the Arcane Warrior spec. It was lost to time until the Warden uncovered it buried in a temple overrun by werewolves.

There were exceedingly rare cases of the arcane warrior tradition surviving. But as far as I'm aware, not among the Dalish, however Knight Enchanter was inspired and based off of arcane warrior but without all of the secrets such as projecting your magic into your physical body, the circles had to improvise some things and came up with their own unique techniques such as the spirit blade.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Knight Enchanter has a lightsaber. It is immediately superior to Arcane Warrior.

[RobRam10]

DA:I woke my inner Pelinal Whitestrake

I think it's time for a little purge in the elven population.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

DA:I woke my inner Pelinal Whitestrake

I think it's time for a little purge in the elven population.

Just enslave the Dalish ones. They already have the "Property Of" symbols stamped into their faces and everything. 

[skotie]

You cannot be openly racist because you are a leader of a multi-species organization.

 

Additionally, given the information and revelations that you obtain as you progress through the game as a Dalish Elf, I fail to see why any sensible Dalish Elf would still cling to their self-righteousness, racist attitudes and their " elven culture".

 

In this game...

1. The Dalish with their Vallaslin are revealed to be nothing more than slaves, no different from Casteless in Orzammar with their Brand.
2. They are even looked down and labelled as Shemlen by the Ancient Elves which they were supposed to revere. Abelas called the Dalish Elves "Shadows wearing Vallaslin...Shemlens...Not my people..."
3. Their "gods" have either abandoned them or stopped giving much of a damn about them or are asleep in another dimension or are not sympathetic to them as Dalish. Mythal did not care for them. Fen'Harel is not exactly pro-Dalish, he is just trying to fix his own mistakes and he has unique viewpoints. 

A Dalish Elf Inquisitor would not be pro-Dalish anymore after going through the main quest storyline. They might be pro-Elf but I find it difficult that they would be pro-Dalish or remain one. 

 

In fact, one of the biggest keypoints and takeaway from this game is this

 

The Dalish are fundamentally wrong about their elven culture and elven history. There was, there is and there will never be an Elven utopia. Utopias do not exist. Instead, the Dalish should seek to evolve and improve in their own way and on their own terms as opposed to revering their false past and their slavemaster "gods". They should try to understand their past but they should not go and live it. 

 

This is something that historians will come to understand:- That one should understand the past. Not to live in that past and not to glorify the past but to not repeat the mistakes committed in the past. 

 

The Dalish should do the same. 

 

As such, I am of the opinion that Dalish Elves must discard their Dalish-ness and go their own way.

 

F**k their ancient traditions. F**k their gods. F**k this flat-ear or shemlen bullshite. F**k tribal nomadic lifestyle. They should do things on their own terms now. 

 

All Elves should all unite and pursue a new path towards obtaining a nation from the humans through diplomacy and politics. They should strive to be cooperative with Humans, Dwarves and Qunaris instead of just blindly being racist towards them. They should be pro-Elven but not at the cost of drawing the ire of other races. 

 

Cheers. 

I think all we really learned this game is that Dalish got a ton of things horribly wrong, they're old culture might have been worse than Old Tevinter and they may have enslaved thier own people. I don't remember seeing anything specificly saying the elvan gods don't care about them, Mytral just wants her reckoning for what happened in the past. I also don't think Fen'Heral/Solas would have bothered helping right all his mistakes if he though all his people were a lost cause.

 

I'll agree that they should stop living in the past but I think their past is all they have, and even if they build a new homeland I would still advocate worshiping thier own gods. Why? because why not, seriously why is the only god anyone can worship the  damn maker for crying out loud? But considering the Dales well that didn't work out so well the first time around.

 

But as far as these guys being horrible because of elves ensalveing thier own race come on guys, even Orlais did that to Ferelden, not like it's that big of a deal in Thedas. Tevinter still does it!

[thanotos omega]

I liked the flexibility of using real swords on the AW more actually. If anything, for variety. Or to wield Vigilance.

And before that Starfang,

[Jazharah]

Wait wut? Knight Enchanter not based on Arcane Warrior? Have none of you talked to Solas after your specialization? He actually explains exactly this, gives you the elven translation and history of your specialization and then asks what you think your ancestors and clan will think...

[KaiserShep]

I liked the flexibility of using real swords on the AW more actually. If anything, for variety. Or to wield Vigilance.

 

It's too bad that the blade you can loot from Gaxkang was restricted to warriors. Stupid Warden's Keep DLC ruined Vigilance on my PS3, because there was this weird bug that made Awakening-specific content share the same look, so the armor was also the same Warden-Commander armor you looted from Sophia (which was actually a good thing since I hated the Awakening armor). It was basically the same model as Starfang, which I never liked the look of.

[KaiserShep]

I thought about sifting through the saves on my PS3 to see if I could do it, but more than likely I'm never going to play Awakening again.

 

Anyway, regarding the topic, I imagine my city elf Warden would have been in hell here. He hates both the shemlin and the Dalish and lets everyone know it.

[Chaos17]

I have yet to see a moral choice game where the choices aren't between saint and douchebag.

I suggest you to play then Fallout 1 and 2 + Baldur's gate serie.

They might be old but they did a great job about that 20 years ago.

[KaiserShep]

Fallout 3 had some pretty messed up choices. Hey lemme just roll up in this little town, and arm the nuke for laughs.  And that's if I don't beat people up or try to break into their homes first.

[Xionanx]

Whats sad is Sera gets it.... surprised she and Solas aren't best buds since they have have the same outlook.  Bunch of pretenders digging up the past and parading around in it without even knowing what it was in the first place.

 

There really should have been an "Aha moment" cutscene where Solas realizes Sera is the way of the future for elves..

[skotie]

I always ended up a neutral character in the fallout series, mostly because I would rob everyone after doing thier quests.

[Johnsen1972]

It's like, here I am, a proud Dalish elf, surrounded by ignorant shemlin, and I can't tell them how filthy they are to their faces? It's disgusting. 

 

An example: I take the Knight-Enchanter specialization. I feel like I'm continuing the traditions of my people, y'know. Anyway, I go talk to Vivienne (first mistake) and she's all "Oh now you can go protect the Chantry with your Chantry-approved fighting style." And I'm like, hello? Arcane Warrior was here first you vermin shem. But I can't tell her that and I just have to sit there and nod like a good little knife-ear. 

 

I don't expect BioWare to care about the plight of the Dalish, but this goes too far

Racism is bad. Thats why.

[chr0n0mancer]

Whats sad is Sera gets it.... surprised she and Solas aren't best buds since they have have the same outlook. Bunch of pretenders digging up the past and parading around in it without even knowing what it was in the first place.

There really should have been an "Aha moment" cutscene where Solas realizes Sera is the way of the future for elves..

The difference is Sera wanted elves to not live differently from humans at all, but Solas wanted them to be like they were at arlathan, albeit without the slavery and war and general bad parts

[Dano82nd]

You are wrong. Racism isn't bad-- "Swooping is bad"

[BroBear Berbil]

I was a bit disappointed that I couldn't call anyone a shem. Inquisition made me like Dragon Age's elves for the first time and I really wanted to get the full experience.

[Ieldra]

You cannot be openly racist because you are a leader of a multi-species organization.
 
Additionally, given the information and revelations that you obtain as you progress through the game as a Dalish Elf, I fail to see why any sensible Dalish Elf would still cling to their self-righteousness, racist attitudes and their " elven culture".
 
In this game...

• 
  
• The Dalish with their Vallaslin are revealed to be nothing more than slaves, no different from Casteless in Orzammar with their Brand.
• They are even looked down and labelled as Shemlen by the Ancient Elves which they were supposed to revere. Abelas called the Dalish Elves "Shadows wearing Vallaslin...Shemlens...Not my people..."
• Their "gods" have either abandoned them or stopped giving much of a damn about them or are asleep in another dimension or are not sympathetic to them as Dalish. Mythal did not care for them. Fen'Harel is not exactly pro-Dalish, he is just trying to fix his own mistakes and he has unique viewpoints. 

A Dalish Elf Inquisitor would not be pro-Dalish anymore after going through the main quest storyline. They might be pro-Elf but I find it difficult that they would be pro-Dalish or remain one. 
 
In fact, one of the biggest keypoints and takeaway from this game is this
 
The Dalish are fundamentally wrong about their elven culture and elven history. There was, there is and there will never be an Elven utopia. Utopias do not exist. Instead, the Dalish should seek to evolve and improve in their own way and on their own terms as opposed to revering their false past and their slavemaster "gods". They should try to understand their past but they should not go and live it. 
 
This is something that historians will come to understand:- That one should understand the past. Not to live in that past and not to glorify the past but to not repeat the mistakes committed in the past. 
 
The Dalish should do the same. 
 
As such, I am of the opinion that Dalish Elves must discard their Dalish-ness and go their own way.
 
F**k their ancient traditions. F**k their gods. F**k this flat-ear or shemlen bullshite. F**k tribal nomadic lifestyle. They should do things on their own terms now. 
 
All Elves should all unite and pursue a new path towards obtaining a nation from the humans through diplomacy and politics. They should strive to be cooperative with Humans, Dwarves and Qunaris instead of just blindly being racist towards them. They should be pro-Elven but not at the cost of drawing the ire of other races. 
 
Cheers. 

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