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[Rifneno]

Dear Bioware...

 

Why can't I eradicate the verminous plague known as Dalish Elves from Thedas?  They crop up everywhere, even in the most desolate Maker-Forsaken regions where mankind rightfully put their ancestors to the sword and fire!  They wear slave markings, celebrating their people's history under a bloody and cruel slaver-empire, brainwash any and all elves they come across into conforming with their vision of Elven superiority, and they freely claim territory around their nomadic landships as their own, slaughtering any and all farmers and innocents tending fields or gathering food, while hiding and attacking behind cowardly ambushes they stake out in these peoples' homeland.  The Dalish truly do deserve to die.

 

Please Bioware, make this happen!

This right here!  Let's make Thedas a better place by taking out some of the trash.  Genocide the Dalish today!

[New Kid]

Knight Enchanter is an Arcane Warrior in the same way a carbine rifle is a musket.

[Ziegrif]

It was lost to time until the Warden uncovered it buried in a temple overrun by werewolves.

 

That is possibly the most metal sentence I've read all week.

[Draining Dragon]

Bioware confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

Apparently it's okay to commit genocide, sell people into slavery, and murder children, but god forbid you say something mean.

[AzureAardvark]

and there's an unbroken line of sauces between them

 

Sorcery and saucery ... all pfm.

[InquisiTron]

Bioware confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

Apparently it's okay to commit genocide, sell people into slavery, and murder children, but god forbid you say something mean.

Well, welcome to 21st century gaming man

[Mihura]

Bioware confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

Apparently it's okay to commit genocide, sell people into slavery, and murder children, but god forbid you say something mean.

 

Actually you can say "mean things" to Dorian for example, if you are dalish. There is a degree of racism if you are dalish in the NPCs around you. I think they should had included more angry speeches here and there but overall is not that bad. 

I RP my dalish as a stoic person that only wanted to go back to her clan but understood during her journey, that would not be possible and she could bring stability with the Inquisition without caring for their human society. Of course a lot changed at the temple of Mythal, even her core views. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Otter_under_the_mountain:  Thank you for the education!  I'm being serious here. Fun little fact.

 

Oh, Dalish suck - another fun little fact.

[Trickshaw]

I RP my dalish as a stoic person that only wanted to go back to her clan but understood during her journey, that would not be possible and she could bring stability with the Inquisition without caring for their human society. Of course a lot changed at the temple of Mythal, even her core views.

Is that before or after your clan gets wiped out during a war table operation?

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It seems to me like there's enough factional discord in the Dragon Age universe to satisfy almost any desire for divisiveness and hate. You could pick on elves, mages, templars, practically whoever you like.

 

I didn't read the OP, though, because I don't really care if someone is dissatisfied with the level of racism in the game, on any level.

[Pewps]

Racism is bad. Thats why.

 

I don't see your point

[_Motoki_]

I don't expect BioWare to care about the plight of the Dalish, but this goes too far

 

Did you play all the way through to the very end including post credits rolling? Because Elf **** Just Got Real.

 

Just sayin'.

[Ieldra]

Is that before or after your clan gets wiped out during a war table operation?

You made a wrong decision. Unless wiping out your clan was your intention.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Bioware confuses the hell out of me sometimes.

I don't think it's Bioware.

[BuddyL0ve]

I literally can't even right now

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[BuddyL0ve]

You cannot be openly racist because you are a leader of a multi-species organization.

 

Additionally, given the information and revelations that you obtain as you progress through the game as a Dalish Elf, I fail to see why any sensible Dalish Elf would still cling to their self-righteousness, racist attitudes and their " elven culture".

 

In this game...

1. The Dalish with their Vallaslin are revealed to be nothing more than slaves, no different from Casteless in Orzammar with their Brand.
2. They are even looked down and labelled as Shemlen by the Ancient Elves which they were supposed to revere. Abelas called the Dalish Elves "Shadows wearing Vallaslin...Shemlens...Not my people..."
3. Their "gods" have either abandoned them or stopped giving much of a damn about them or are asleep in another dimension or are not sympathetic to them as Dalish. Mythal did not care for them. Fen'Harel is not exactly pro-Dalish, he is just trying to fix his own mistakes and he has unique viewpoints. 

A Dalish Elf Inquisitor would not be pro-Dalish anymore after going through the main quest storyline. They might be pro-Elf but I find it difficult that they would be pro-Dalish or remain one. 

 

In fact, one of the biggest keypoints and takeaway from this game is this

 

The Dalish are fundamentally wrong about their elven culture and elven history. There was, there is and there will never be an Elven utopia. Utopias do not exist. Instead, the Dalish should seek to evolve and improve in their own way and on their own terms as opposed to revering their false past and their slavemaster "gods". They should try to understand their past but they should not go and live it. 

 

This is something that historians will come to understand:- That one should understand the past. Not to live in that past and not to glorify the past but to not repeat the mistakes committed in the past. 

 

The Dalish should do the same. 

 

As such, I am of the opinion that Dalish Elves must discard their Dalish-ness and go their own way.

 

F**k their ancient traditions. F**k their gods. F**k this flat-ear or shemlen bullshite. F**k tribal nomadic lifestyle. They should do things on their own terms now. 

 

All Elves should all unite and pursue a new path towards obtaining a nation from the humans through diplomacy and politics. They should strive to be cooperative with Humans, Dwarves and Qunaris instead of just blindly being racist towards them. They should be pro-Elven but not at the cost of drawing the ire of other races. 

 

Cheers. 

In light of the revelations of Inquisition, it seems like the Dalish are a similar situation to modern American Indians suddenly rebelling and deciding to go live on the prairie according to the Old Ways.... but the only historical records they have of the Old Ways are 40's and 50's Westerns.

Due to what has happened to them as a race, "elves" effectively no longer exist. They are humans, only thinner and with pointed ears. They live the same length of time, can breed with humans with no issue (which produces human children), eat all the same foods, have no exceptional racial gifts to set them apart from humans.

As much as Sera bugs me overall, I kinda have to agree with her that elves need to build a bridge and get over it. Their race is dead man walkin'.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Due to what has happened to them as a race, "elves" effectively no longer exist.
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Their race is dead man walkin'.

"Race" and "culture" are not actually synonyms.

[abearzi]

You are wrong. Racism isn't bad-- "Swooping is bad"

Pure gold. Well done.

[TheJediSaint]

So basically, there should be a button that allows PCs to shout, "Knife-ears!", or "Shemlen!", or "Goat-Men!" depending on context.

[Steelcan]

So basically, there should be a button that allows PCs to shout, "Knife-ears!", or "Shemlen!", or "Goat-Men!" depending on context.

Ox-men please, get your racial slurs right

[Sasie]

In my opinion truly great roleplaying games are the ones that do give me the option to be as sadistic as I want but then give me a reason not to do it. Simply saying the game would not work if the leader was a racist douchbag is not enough for me. Especially if I picked human. Who is going to complain? The entire world is filled with bad leaders, one more won't make a difference.

Baldur's gate 2/Planescape torment/Jade Empire/Dragonfall/Fallout all gave me nasty options but in most of those games I never take them because the game makes me care about the characters and the plot and I don't want to turn on my companions while in bad games I take them all the time because testing how far the game dares to go is a interesting enough way to keep my interest if nothing else will.

At any rate personally I approve of putting nasty options into the game. It tests how much players really care about the plot and the characters involved in it.