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[Devil-Man13]

A question for everyone if you know the backstories behind Gaspard, Celene, and Briala. Having known what they did and how they acted what choices seemed the most right to you? I got them all to work together but quite frankly I was having a hard time deciding whether or not to let Celene be assassinated.

[MrMrPendragon]

Thanks for the guide. I mostly needed it for the halla doors.

 

Although I have gotten to the part where I got all three blackmails, but chose to leave the soldier in the bed because I support Celene. In the end I chose to let Celene and Briala make up.

 

Got me Mask of Empress, of grand duchess, and of valmont. I think.

[MrMrPendragon]

A question for everyone if you know the backstories behind Gaspard, Celene, and Briala. Having known what they did and how they acted what choices seemed the most right to you? I got them all to work together but quite frankly I was having a hard time deciding whether or not to let Celene be assassinated.

 

I'll try to lay them out for you and you can decide:

 

1. Celene and Briala were lovers once. Briala was put in a position where she had to decide between helping her people and helping Celene. At that point however, it was made clear that Celene put her empire's well-being before the well-being of the elves, so Briala and Celene separated.

 

2. Gaspard is an honorable man, despite looking power-hungry. He respects his soldiers and the Chevaliers, and they respect him back. However, it is implied that he has a desire to make Orlais the most powerful empire via war and conquering - Ferelden.

 

3. Briala has a lot of Eluvians at her disposal. She holds the key to opening Eluvians that can lead to anywhere, which is why they say she has a massive spy network and has caused troubles for both armies.

 

4. Celene is a master of the game, and does desire peace and stability. The only thing she and Briala has beef over is the status of the elves. In Celene's version of stability, Orlais is a cultural marvel, but the elves stay the same - poor, second class citizens.

 

 

I would say having them all work together is the worst possible ending, given that these 3 would never work together, therefore nothing would ever get done fully. One would always foil the other one's plan, and so on. Gaspard has the military, but Celene has all the noble houses.

 

I say Celene rules because she's been doing this for years and she's good at keeping the nobles at bay. Have Briala and Celene make up. I'd like to believe that with the threat Briala poses, this may finally push Celene to do something for the elves of Orlais. Celene rules and Briala has some pull. It all works out.

 

Except Gaspard would die in this ending.

[shadowdios]

SPOILERS ALERT!!!!  Endings for Orlais base upon your choices

 

 

 

Celene remains empress

"Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Empress Celene remains on her golden throne."

 

Gaspard is executed, Briala and Celene reunited

"Where once war raged, there is now a shaky peace. Orlais is resurgent, the empress a patron of arts and culture."

"Many attribute this recovery to her lady love, though others wonder how long their reunion will truly last."

Gaspard is executed, Briala is exiled

"The civil war is ended, Gaspard is defeated, but it is said Briala yet plots her return from exile."

"The empress now faces a war in the shadows, elven daggers rule the night, and spies follow her every move."

Gaspard lives, Briala is dead

"The civil war is ended, the elven resistance pacified, but it is said Gaspard yet plots his return from exile."

"How long before the Empress missteps and he raises banners once more? This fear hounds her every move."

Both Gaspard and Briala are executed - Peace negotiated

"The civil war is ended and order finally restored. The empress is unchallenged... but at what price?"

"Blood drips from Celene's hands, and all her court know it. However, none are in a position to move against her."

Both Gaspard and Briala live

"The civil war is ended, but a new war rages in the shadows. Gaspard it seems, has learned his lesson well."

"Even the elves have no rest, with Briala's uprising rocking the empire to its core."

Both Gaspard and Briala are executed - Peace not negotiated

"Sadly, Celene soon forgot her gratitude towards the Inquisition."

"Icy receptions now greet the Inquisition in the Imperial Court, where most prefer that Orlais bow to no one - not even heroes."

"Thus, many believe that when the tide again turns, Celene will stand alone."

Gaspard executed, Briala and Celene reunited. Peace Negotiated

"Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong."

"Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat."

"Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power."

Gaspard executed, Briala and Celene reunited. Peace Not Negotiated

"The empire's ties to the Inquisition remain strong, both sides benefiting from the ongoing relationship."

"Some resent this, calling Celene the Inquisitor's puppet - though they do not do so openly."

"Orlais prospers, and soon forgets that it could very easily have been otherwise."

 

Gaspard became emperor

"Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Gaspard has ascended to the golden throne."

"He rules unopposed. Each noble house that rises up against him soon realizes it has made its last mistake."

Peace not negotiated

"Fortunately for Gaspard, his gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong."

"Some claim the emperor relies too much on his new allies, but others know the truth.

"His enemies hesitate only because they fear the Inquisition's revenge - but for how long?"

Peace negotiated

"He settles disputes with Ferelden, freeing the Orlesian armies to fortify the northern Tevinter borders."

"His victories are many. Strength and stability are restored to Orlais... for now."

 

Briala rules through Gaspard

"Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Gaspard has ascended to the golden throne."

"His rule continues only so long as he bows to the will of Briala - the first elf to be granted titles and land."

"Soon, new rights are granted to elves throughout the land. Plans are made to tear down alienage walls."

"The emperor chafes under her command, but can do nothing - even as an alliance of nobles considers open rebellion."

Peace negotiated (Inquisitor is an elf) 

"They hesitate only because they fear the alliance between Briala and the elven Inquisitor."

"The icy reception awaiting the Inquisition at court is telling, however. It seems only a matter of time."

Peace negotiated (Inquisitor is not an elf)

"They hesitate only because they fear Briala's alliance with the Inquisition."

"Even so, many prefer that Orlais bow to no one - not even heroes. It is only a matter of time."

Peace not negotiated

"They hesitate only because their respect for the Inquisition remains strong."

"So the Empire remains locked within an uneasy peace--though it seems only a matter of time.

 

Inquisitor is thrown out of the Ball

"Hours after you were evicted from the Winter Palace, news spread across the land that Empress Celene was dead and Grand Duke Gaspard 

standing accused of treason. Orlais stood leaderless; in the chaos, Corypheus conquered it all too easily, overwhelming 

Inquisition forces lacking the allies needed to stop him."

[Vestus]

A question for everyone if you know the backstories behind Gaspard, Celene, and Briala. Having known what they did and how they acted what choices seemed the most right to you? I got them all to work together but quite frankly I was having a hard time deciding whether or not to let Celene be assassinated.

 

Based on the novel, Dragon Age: The Masked Empire (all plot points behind spoiler alerts)

http://dragonage.wik...e_Masked_Empire

 

 

Gaspard is an arrogant, entitled, war-mongering racist (possibly a misogynist).

 

Spoiler

1. He attempts to goad Teagan Guerrin, the Fereldan Ambassador, into a duel by insulting Queen Moira's memory
2. He asks Celene to marry him, as he believes this would be the easiest solution to the debate over the throne. When she refuses, he attacks her!
3. He commissions a play to deliberately expose Celene and Briala's love affair and paint Celene as an unworthy elf-lover
4. He ambushes Celene's troops and almost succeeds in assassinating her.

In DAI, he may claim to "detest The Game" but he is far from honorable. Although, he did kill a man when he broke a truce and attacked Celene.

 

 

Celene is an opportunistic, ruthless, master of The Game. Her desire to keep the throne is paramount.

 

Spoiler

1. This led her to order the massacre of the elven rebellion of Halamshiral, including Briala's parents.
2. However, Celene originally intended to quell the elven rebellion quietly. She dispatched Briala to assassinate the murdering racist human, Lord Mainserai, who caused the elves to rebel in the first place.

Now, I am not trying to justify mass murder...

 

But Celene was keenly aware that many already thought she was too lenient on the elves...

The Divine refused to openly support her until the elven matter was resolved...

and then Gaspard commissioned his little play to instigate the matter further.

 

 

My opinion is that Celene is the lesser of two evils, and the best choice is to reconcile her with Briala.

 

Spoiler

Yes, Celene committed a heinous atrocity by ordering the elven slums to be burned and razed.

But she did it out of desperation, in a country steeped in skullduggery and institutionalized racism toward the elves.

 

She needed to stay in power, and hopefully feels great remorse for her actions in The Masked Empire.

Because with the support of The Inquisition and Gaspard dead, she finally has the confidence to raise an elf (Briala) to noble status.

 

I believe this is what Celene was working toward all along.

But such "radical" notions of elven equality put her beliefs at odds with both the Chantry and the majority of her people.

And her slow progress was completely derailed when Gaspard openly challenged her and slandered her.

 

 

And if you still have doubts, then ask yourself...

 

Spoiler

If Gaspard was willing to use Celene's interracial relationship with Briala as a political weapon...

and incite violence by insulting the ambassador of a foreign nation...

and pull a weapon on his Empress for refusing his marriage proposal of convenience...

 

exactly what kind of future do you think Gaspard had in mind for the elves? Or Fereldan for that matter?

 

My conscience is completely clear in allowing Gaspard to be executed for crimes of past, present, and presumed future.

 

 

TLDR: Pick Celene/Briala, ushering in a new age of equality for elves (and interracial same-sex couples)

[Mister_Tez]

 

SPOILERS ALERT!!!!  Endings for Orlais base upon your choices

 

 

 

Celene remains empress

"Consider the mighty Empire of Orlais, where Empress Celene remains on her golden throne."

 

...

 

Anyone have the epilogue details for if you force all three to work together for a) the good of Orlais or the Inquisitor?

[Mister_Tez]

That should be "b )" not !

[iheartbob]

Thank you so much for this guide. Nothing else online is nearly as comprehensive and saved me several hours of needless wandering around the palace.

 

I would add that if you wish to go with the make them all work together ending, you must force the tied up guard in Celine's bedroom to testify, rather than leave him there. I had to reload because I initially left him in the bed.

 

 

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I don't quite understand the peace negotiated stipulation for some conclusions.  Like this statement : Gaspard executed, Briala and Celene reunited. Peace Negotiated

 

How is the last carried out?

[Cha0sEff3ct]

I'll try to lay them out for you and you can decide:

 

1. Celene and Briala were lovers once. Briala was put in a position where she had to decide between helping her people and helping Celene. At that point however, it was made clear that Celene put her empire's well-being before the well-being of the elves, so Briala and Celene separated.

 

2. Gaspard is an honorable man, despite looking power-hungry. He respects his soldiers and the Chevaliers, and they respect him back. However, it is implied that he has a desire to make Orlais the most powerful empire via war and conquering - Ferelden.

 

3. Briala has a lot of Eluvians at her disposal. She holds the key to opening Eluvians that can lead to anywhere, which is why they say she has a massive spy network and has caused troubles for both armies.

 

4. Celene is a master of the game, and does desire peace and stability. The only thing she and Briala has beef over is the status of the elves. In Celene's version of stability, Orlais is a cultural marvel, but the elves stay the same - poor, second class citizens.

 

 

I would say having them all work together is the worst possible ending, given that these 3 would never work together, therefore nothing would ever get done fully. One would always foil the other one's plan, and so on. Gaspard has the military, but Celene has all the noble houses.

 

I say Celene rules because she's been doing this for years and she's good at keeping the nobles at bay. Have Briala and Celene make up. I'd like to believe that with the threat Briala poses, this may finally push Celene to do something for the elves of Orlais. Celene rules and Briala has some pull. It all works out.

 

Except Gaspard would die in this ending.

Thanks for the back story on them all. Very interesting to know that Briala has access to several eluvians. 

 

The best option does sound like Re-uniting Celene and Briala especially for my female Dalish mage and elves in general. Ugh, I hate having to kill off someone. My inquisitor is a goody two-shoes and said they were all implicated and need to work together. 

[ahoyhoyhey]

So, just a heads up I just finished the quest on PC and made everyone work together and I got the best mask (the 12% crit and cunning one) and the 5% crit/5% cunning one.  That's not what the guide said - I did it for the approval, but ended up with that gear.

[Don Lionheart]

Thanks for the back story on them all. Very interesting to know that Briala has access to several eluvians. 

 

The best option does sound like Re-uniting Celene and Briala especially for my female Dalish mage and elves in general. Ugh, I hate having to kill off someone. My inquisitor is a goody two-shoes and said they were all implicated and need to work together. 

 

I've read the novels too, and I should emphasize that it's not "several" Eluvians but essentially all of them that are still in existence.  I'm not happy about killing Gaspard either, but he did raise his flag in rebellion if that helps.  I play a human mage and I'm going to choose that choice.  My first time through the quest I was unbelievably lost but managed to make it through, so this guide is amazing, thank you very much for it.  I swore I wouldn't try it again until I found a way to figure out everything that happened.

 

Also, separate from the quote, I should add that the dance with the Dowager is, in fact, a crown conversation choice like has been mentioned above.  Also, OP, I may have missed it, but if you're going to cover the dance, the best options with Florianne are the middle as mentioned, but there is a a crow/shadows/secrets option available that give +5 court reputation, it's something like "I've learned not to trust anyone."  I think that's it.  Thanks again for the guide!

[Gwyvian]

Alright, I have spent all my time last night replaying and replaying the ending and now I really wish I knew where I'm going wrong - I won't be opening the vault doors, I can't fix that sadly, but what I thought I can fix is which ending I get - I wanted Celene and Briala to make up, and in theory I have all the requisite conditions, but all I ever get is Celene pardoning Briala for her previous transgressions (?? apparently I turned her in? But I never told anyone what I knew about her!) her reward is that she may live in exile. Briala never shows up after I talk to Celene about the locket (chose option 1 throughout), because I already talked to her before that and I mention the locket to Briala when I first meet her around the servant's quarters. I'm assuming the mixup is there for me, that I talked to Briala about the locket first. I have blackmail material on all three of them, I've tried the Celene alone by accident (definitely not what I wanted) and ever since I've been trying to get Briala and Celene to make up and they're just not doing it.

 

Also, I read that it's possible to have Celene and Briala as a puppet regime for the Inquisition - I assume you have to blackmail them both, but can I do that without forcing all three of them to work together? I haven't tried this, out of sheer frustration I just gave up, but I've been doing everything the way I want it to be so far and I'd really like this not to be an exception.

 

So, any ideas?

[hong]

Inquisitor is thrown out of the Ball
"Hours after you were evicted from the Winter Palace, news spread across the land that Empress Celene was dead and Grand Duke Gaspard 
standing accused of treason. Orlais stood leaderless; in the chaos, Corypheus conquered it all too easily, overwhelming 
Inquisition forces lacking the allies needed to stop him."

Many playthroughs died to bring us this information.

[hong]

I don't quite understand the peace negotiated stipulation for some conclusions.  Like this statement : Gaspard executed, Briala and Celene reunited. Peace Negotiated
 
How is the last carried out?

It's a war table mission. You get to facilitate the peace talks between Ferelden and Orlais.

[Sugram84]

@Illydth

 

interesting, with my second char, when i blackmailed them, i so option u 3 work for me new, i forced them to work together, u did not mention that option, i wonder does that mean the 3 will become my Puppets if i chose that option?

 

 

Dealing with the Leaders:

-- Force Them to Work Together (Special) (1)   done that

-- Celene on the Throne Alone (1)        done that

-- -- Gaspard and Briala Implicated and Executed (1)   i think this happened when i chose Celene alone, second on this list

rest of the choices, i have no idea how this are possible LOL

-- -- Gaspard Implicated and Executed, Briala Not Implicated (1)

-- -- Gaspard Implicated and Saved/Exiled (1)

-- Celene on the Throne with Briala as Noble (Special) (1)

-- Gaspard on Throne, Celene Dead, Briala Executed (2)   that1 i mite even figure out

-- Briala on Throne, Celene Dead, Gaspard is a Puppet Emperor (2), well inquisitor could use a Puppet , then he kind of has Orlay Throne on hes hands. just indirectly 

[Gwyvian]

So, just a heads up I just finished the quest on PC and made everyone work together and I got the best mask (the 12% crit and cunning one) and the 5% crit/5% cunning one.  That's not what the guide said - I did it for the approval, but ended up with that gear.

 

If this is true I may just give up on my Celene/Briala quest and force everyone to work together for me - is this tied to a specific dialogue choice, though?

[SirAniki]

not sure if my court approval did me in but i had blackmail for all three and the dialogue option "you're all at fault" (or something) but the empress just dismissed it and only gave me choice between briala and gaspard. I ended up with briala getting exiled and gaspard executed. Do you have any tips on court approval or what to say during the dance with the assassin to get it up?

 

This has got to be the most annoying part of the game. Good work on the guide.

 

also reading the epilogue outcomes i like celene and briala reuniting. Too bad about the loot glitch though

 

[themikefest]

To get the most approval when dancing with the duchess, choose these answers/dialogues

 

May I help you?

Let's dance

Why don't you educate me?

Is that what we both want?

Which am I to you?

Who do you trust?

Isn't everyone?

[Ferretinabun]

It's a war table mission. You get to facilitate the peace talks between Ferelden and Orlais.

Is it? I totally missed that. Does it always come up?

[Rathys]

So, just a heads up I just finished the quest on PC and made everyone work together and I got the best mask (the 12% crit and cunning one) and the 5% crit/5% cunning one.  That's not what the guide said - I did it for the approval, but ended up with that gear.

 

If this is true I may just give up on my Celene/Briala quest and force everyone to work together for me - is this tied to a specific dialogue choice, though?

 

* Mask of the Grand Duchess (12% Crit Chance, +6 Cunning)
* Mask of Chalons (5% Crit Chance, +5 Cunning)

 

Are rewarded from exposing Florianne, not from deciding who rules Orlais.

 

You get additional rewards after exposing Florianne, so long as you don't have them work all together. That route yields zero rewards. Choosing any other option provides addition rewards. So if you have Celene and Briala make up you get two more masks in addition to the two masks above. Those two additional masks are:

 

* Mask of Valmont (9% Barrier Damage, +5 Cunning)

* Coquin Mask (9% Crit Damage, 5% Cunning)

 

Even though the scrolling reward text says you get the Ambassador's Mask (+9% Crit Damage, +6 Cunning) instead of the Mask of Valmont, you actually don't get it. So either the loot your receive is bugged, or the reward text is bugged.

[Bethgael]

Nothing to say except thank you. Lots of work in this and I appreciate being able to try for an outcome I actually want this time though!

 

Good work.

ETA:
 

 

Gaspard executed, Briala and Celene reunited. Peace Negotiated

"Fortunately for Celene, her gratitude towards the Inquisition has remained strong."

"Some claim she clings too tightly to the alliance - others know it is all that stands between her and defeat."

"Her subjects approve of the alliance even if some claim it is the only reason she yet clings to power."

I also got this ending for Gaspard exiled, Briala not united with Celene

 

along with the additional slides:

"The civil war is ended, the elven resistance pacified, but it is said Gaspard yet plots his return from exile."

"How long before the Empress missteps and he raises banners once more? This fear hounds her every move."

In between lines 1 & 2 above.

My Inquisitor made dialogue choices that would usually have led to the reuniting, but I had forgotten to talk to Briala about the locket, so ended up choosing "don't kill Gaspard" at the last moment (because I knew the other would fail).

ETA: I also did the War Table peace negotiation between Orlais and Ferelden. i don't know if that had an impact on the ending.

[wepeel_]

Any info on how it goes in the end if you coerce/outplay all three of them into making peace? Considering how much work this outcome takes to achieve, it seems to be the main contender for "best" ending along with reuniting Briala and Celene.

[Obsidian Gryphon]

It's a war table mission. You get to facilitate the peace talks between Ferelden and Orlais.

 

Ah ok. Thanks for clarifying. I got that one.

[ratdago]

my BIGGEST concern is how it this plays out for the rest of game, ie consequences. tho I know in the end I'll win anyways, lol.

 

awesome job to all those who took time to tell us ALL the options and outcomes so we dont have to play everyone ourselves.

 

That being said these were my choices:

 

found all evidence, not all hallas

 

Exposed Florianne and executed her on the spot, biatch. A lot of disapproval but my LI is Cullen anyways (female, human, warrior Inquisitor).

 

Hated Gasbag, exposed him and exiled, no more bloodshed, he didnt try to kill me

 

didnt talk to Briala after finding locket so I guess thats why I didnt have option to reunite them (or didnt notice it)

 

Let Briala go/didnt implicate since I want Elves on my side in future (dont know if affects it or not)

 

Celene keeps throne, no more bloodshed

 

Made many save points, just in case. Will see how decisions affect finale.

 

I just keep in mind, im gonna beat Corypheus in end anyways. Decisions along the way impact story which these forums are great to learn about alternate choices.