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[Silcron]

This was going to be post as a reply on another thread, but since it was a little bit off topic (the thread was about Connor).

Fiona's lack of Calling, stems from the fact that she doesn't have the taint anymore. That's why the GW tried to re-join her, but since that didn't work, she got booted back to the Circle. But I do agree she is lacking as a character.

Which is downright stupid.

1.-You have a seasoned grey warden who is literally inmune to the Taint. Fiona may not be able to slay an archdemon but that just means she could do the rest, even better, she could keep helping in training wardens for a longer time since she won't suffer the Calling. (I personally dread having Fiona in any position of power, but fromthe point of view of Wardens considering a now inmune GW).

2.-Study. You don't need to go evil, but if you have to run experiments on Taint cure or inmunity (you know, a far better solution that just killing the archdemons. Sure, no Blights is cool, but the darkspawn would still be there.) you can have samples. "Hey Fiona, I'm sorry, but we need a little bit of samples. Do you mind if we cut you and get some blood, maybe some hair? Spit, pee, that kind of thing. The healer is right there if you don't feel like healing yourself."

Seriously, the Wardens kicking her off feels like one of the most out of character things I've ever seen. Hell, the HoF is out on a quest to cure the taint, you know what could help? Years of research with the one person that got cured.

And it's not like Fiona is necesary to the plot. Rhys' elven mage friend could have been in the place of Fiona not just in the game, but in the book too. She could have even been the Warden contact of Hawke instead of Stroud. Instead of Hawke approaching Stroud, Fiona approached the Champion of Kirkwall due to her fame because every warden around her is acting strangely, noticing because she's cured. At least then her being cured would have been important plot wise, as it is it's just something to make her even more special.

[Ieldra]

It's simple: jealous people make stupid decisions. Also, it's quite possible that the Wardens were already influenced by Corypheus at that point, and he wouldn't want anyone he can't control among them.

[jlb524]

I do agree with your point that Fiona would make a lot of sense in the story as Hawke's GW contact. The fact that she's immune to Corypheus makes her a huge threat to him and his GW gang.

[Little Princess Peach]

and yet when you side with the templars she works for cory anyway can you say lack of will?

[Dermain]

It's simple: jealous people make stupid decisions. Also, it's quite possible that the Wardens were already influenced by Corypheus at that point, and he wouldn't want anyone he can't control among them.

 

Or we could just come to the conclusion that anyone that comes into contact with Fiona is struck stupid. While I have no problem with her overall character, I do have a problem with her decision making process.

 

Either way, somethings rotten in Weisshaupt, and I'm pretty certain it isn't the oddly placed cheese wheels/wedges...

[Tarvesh]

Perhaps she's being set up as a possible companion in a Warden-returns DA where we take up the role of our Warden once again in an effort to cure the taint.

What better companion to help with this than one who has already been cured and immune to it, and has experience within the Wardens and fighting Darkspawn?

Wishful thinking...

[The Hierophant]

Perhaps she's being set up as a possible companion in a Warden-returns DA where we take up the role of our Warden once again in an effort to cure the taint.

What better companion to help with this than one who has already been cured and immune to it, and has experience within the Wardens and fighting Darkspawn?

She'd only get the Warden killed with her lack of common sense.

[jlb524]

Perhaps she's being set up as a possible companion in a Warden-returns DA where we take up the role of our Warden once again in an effort to cure the taint.

What better companion to help with this than one who has already been cured and immune to it, and has experience within the Wardens and fighting Darkspawn?

Wishful thinking...

Well, she can die so that won't happen.

It would be funny if she must be alive in order for the Warden to succeed at finding a cure for the taint.

[Tarvesh]

She'd only get the Warden killed with her lack of common sense.

If a drunken, booze goggled Oghren couldn't get the Warden killed, I doubt she has any chance at all.

[ThePhoenixKing]

I get the impression that no one at Bioware seems to like the Wardens anymore, between this stupidity with Fiona, to the fact that they get tricked so easily by Nightmare, to the looming civil war in the Order at the end of the game... It's all really stupid, especially considering that they're one of the best parts of the franchise (seriously, why would one ever want to get rid of the love-child between the Night's Watch and the Avengers?). Or maybe it's just the perennial need to make things darker and edgier. After all, we can't have any heroic or selfless or reasonable institutions anymore, that's not realistic! Every organization has to be self-serving and stupid! That's mature storytelling! /sigh 

[Br3admax]

I do agree with your point that Fiona would make a lot of sense in the story as Hawke's GW contact. The fact that she's immune to Corypheus makes her a huge threat to him and his GW gang.

She's just like any other random mage, so this isn't really any more true than saying mage 12 is a huge threat to Corypheus. 

[Efvie]

I get the impression that no one at Bioware seems to like the Wardens anymore, between this stupidity with Fiona, to the fact that they get tricked so easily by Nightmare, to the looming civil war in the Order at the end of the game... It's all really stupid, especially considering that they're one of the best parts of the franchise (seriously, why would one ever want to get rid of the love-child between the Night's Watch and the Avengers?). Or maybe it's just the perennial need to make things darker and edgier. After all, we can't have any heroic or selfless or reasonable institutions anymore, that's not realistic! Every organization has to be self-serving and stupid! That's mature storytelling! /sigh 

 

I don’t know, the organization is pretty dysfunctional. Remember what the other wardens were doing in DA:O and DA2? The taint, combined with decades or centuries of inactivity between blights…

 

If anything, I was surprised by how many wardens there were if Adamant was only the Orlesian and Fereldan groups.

 

Anyway, unreliable narrator? Who’s to say that Fiona didn’t insist on getting out of the wardening business?

[eternalshiva]

How are they easily tricked? Every single warden got the Calling at the exact same time, super early and it's basically a sign that they are going mad / insane / dying and they got desperate. Every warden dying = no wardens for Blights on the Archdemons still sleeping in the roads. Panicking at the idea that they had to do something before the calling claimed all of them, they moved forward with this plan.

 

The Architec and Cory have been influencing them through the Blight since the book The Calling (where Fiona baiscally had the Blight burned out of her with the Architec's orb thing, which I'ms tarting to think is Elvaan) and praying on their fears of what the blight does to a warden.

 

Desperation lead them to this and they were manipulated. Once the manipulation was uncovered, they retaliated against their oppressor. It's not like Cory was standing there giving orders, he was operating through another person who never revealed who his boss was and with being desperate, they overlooked a lot of things that were obvious.

 

Q in the warden Stroud / Alistair on their own after being kicked out for even questioning it. The demon binding was ridiculous, I'll agree to that, they should know better but at the same time, the mages will use themselves as abominations to kill darkspawn when it's time of their calling so they'll use any measure to defeat the threat of the blight so it wasn't far fetched at all. Also, Cory only controlled the mages since they were bound to him after the blood magic was used, the warriors you can save and turn them against the mages.

 

There's still hope for them. It really looks like they're leading the story back to the wardens, I'm looking forward to it.

[CENIC]

Being able to kill Fiona felt... off.

Especially since the Red Templar boss you get instead is a new NPC absolutely nobody knows or cares about, regardless of whether or not you've read the books.

Though I'm sure the people who hate her for being the Mary Suest of Mary Sues brought themselves sexual pleasure later while thinking of killing her with great respect.

[Jazzpha]

I dunno, even as far back as DA:O we got the sense that the HQ in Weisshaupt was pretty political or corrupt (or both), more concerned with ladder-climbing than doing actual Warden field ops.

 

Thing is, the majority of the Wardens we've actually seen in the game are the soldiers in the trenches, not the politicians, so the Order on the whole feels more idealistic and true to its genuine purpose. If all we got was Weisshaupt backstabbing, I doubt we'd be thinking of the Wardens as a purely idealistic Order dedicated solely to protecting the world from the Darkspawn.

 

That said, I'm a fan of the Wardens overall, recognize the need for them, and want to see them persevere. What will be interesting is seeing what happens to them after the final Archdemon is slain and the Blight is no longer a concern. I suppose they'll still be around to kill Darkspawn, but I wonder what the lack of an imposing Blight will do to their overall mandate and standing in Thedas.

[wright1978]

I dunno, even as far back as DA:O we got the sense that the HQ in Weisshaupt was pretty political or corrupt (or both), more concerned with ladder-climbing than doing actual Warden field ops.

 

Thing is, the majority of the Wardens we've actually seen in the game are the soldiers in the trenches, not the politicians, so the Order on the whole feels more idealistic and true to its genuine purpose. If all we got was Weisshaupt backstabbing, I doubt we'd be thinking of the Wardens as a purely idealistic Order dedicated solely to protecting the world from the Darkspawn.

 

That said, I'm a fan of the Wardens overall, recognize the need for them, and want to see them persevere. What will be interesting is seeing what happens to them after the final Archdemon is slain and the Blight is no longer a concern. I suppose they'll still be around to kill Darkspawn, but I wonder what the lack of an imposing Blight will do to their overall mandate and standing in Thedas.

 

Yeah they've always been political, warden's keep introduced that too. It was just the the hero of Ferelden got free reign during the blight to be whatever kind of hero he/she wanted to be, Alistair was sweet and innocoent and Duncan died a hero on the battlefield.

 

I suspect that once final archdemon is slain they will become more akin to night's watch, as in being sent dregs and in all other aspects the treaties being ignored. Although without an archdemon to search for the darkspawn may come to the surface in greater numbers.

[frylock23]

There is a tiny part of me that wonders why the order keeps doing the ritual to make themselves fully invested Grey Wardens when there isn't a blight? The need is severely lessened and I thought from DA:O that the resource that they used to induct new wardens was somewhat hard to get and limited in supply. Surely the actual ritual could be saved for a select few who would be sent to do the dirty work and the rest could be made into Wardens elect or something - those who stand ready to undergo the ritual should a Blight erupt and the need arise.

 

That would sort of lessen the risk of a bunch of slowly corrupting, tainty people running around.

[ShadowLordXII]

It's simple: jealous people make stupid decisions. Also, it's quite possible that the Wardens were already influenced by Corypheus at that point, and he wouldn't want anyone he can't control among them.

 

Cory was still imprisoned at the time. Only wardens who approached his prison would be influenced and it's gone as soon as they're away from the Vinmark prison.

[PrinceLionheart]

There is a tiny part of me that wonders why the order keeps doing the ritual to make themselves fully invested Grey Wardens when there isn't a blight? The need is severely lessened and I thought from DA:O that the resource that they used to induct new wardens was somewhat hard to get and limited in supply. Surely the actual ritual could be saved for a select few who would be sent to do the dirty work and the rest could be made into Wardens elect or something - those who stand ready to undergo the ritual should a Blight erupt and the need arise.

 

That would sort of lessen the risk of a bunch of slowly corrupting, tainty people running around.

 

Because there are larges gaps (at least a century) between Blights and a Grey Warden goes through their calling 10-30 years the ritual so all the Wardens would die out if they did it that way.