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[Lianaar]

Wardens are not white knights in shiny armour. They are any type of people with the sole goal of stopping blights.
Some of them are murderers, thieves, or any other people, some are really knights per personality. But I can easily see why people are wary of them.

The Wardens are most often then not ruthless. Because they must be, right, but that won't necessarily keep people happy if they are at the suffering end.

 

Not all Wardens are excellent fighters. They can become one with practice and time, but no warden is born as warden or hero or fighter. They are too diverse for it.

 

When I say only a few is needed to stop the blight, then that is true. An army is needed to stop the darkspawn, but a warden is needed to stop the blight itself.
A single warden won't likely be able to approach the archdemon on his or her own, let alone kill it. But it is only the killing blow that must be delivered via a warden. So yes, a single warden is enough. This is not making them be less important, not at all. They are essential and unreplacable, while the army itself is totally faceless and unimportant in person, as long as it works as an army and is effective.

 

There is a point in exciling them. In my playthrough there was no leader to form them, and the sins they committed lay heavily on them. They had a strategic fault, they could be ruled by old magisters. You can not oversee it. They are sensitive to corruption, as proven. Not all of them agreed, but if they were less organised in this case, it would probably have been an advantage to them.

 

Since they all started to hear the calling, more then likely a bunch of them went to the Deep Roads, might be alive as well, btw and once the fear demon's call was done (if it was), they might realise there is something amiss and might resurface. Many of them are out recruiting, just like the guy trying to recruit Blackwall. So I don't think they are gone, all of them. But the organisation side of them can be.

If there is a new Blight, the remaining wardens will know. This is also not demeaning the fight people put into the previous Blights. And yes, Wardens are a must. A Warden Army is not a must.

[errantknight]

Considering the First Blight killed every single one, and there were hundreds. Probably a lot. The Fifth Blight was kind of small. 

We stopped the blight before it spread past Ferelden. We were totally lucky and they might have needed a lot more. We only see Orlesian wardens backing Corypheus, but we know more wardens than that have disappeared. I think it likely that the hero of Fereldan (or the Orlesian warden from Awakening) are leading others in a different direction. 

[hoodaticus]

Archdemons are the most mobile non-teleporting force I can think of in all the history of fact and fiction.  You basically need at least one warden at every possible blight target.

 

More, actually.  Not all of them are going to be dumb blondes like Uthemiel (Old God of Beauty lmao), some of them are going to fly at high altitude and bite the heads and torsos off any warden they see.  So you pretty much need a hundred wardens at every possible blight target.

 

In a real blight - one not confined to Ferelden - you're realistically going to need a full division of Wardens.

 

As the Hero of Ferelden you are quite entitled to believe that one warden is all that is needed, since you can provide said warden.  As the de facto leader of Southern Thedas, that manner of thinking would be irresponsible.

[Willowhugger]

Corypheus is Palpatine.

 

The Grey Wardens are the Jedi.

Obi-Wan and a few others are still around.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Corypheus is Palpatine.

 

The Grey Wardens are the Jedi.

Obi-Wan and a few others are still around.

Stroud and his mustache are Neo + Anakin, double dose of the chosen one. 

Fixed it for ya. 

[Willowhugger]

I hope the Archdemon we kill was a literal Archdemon, though.

Because that would mean the Grey Wardens have EVEN LESS reason to exist than before.

:-)

[Jaron Oberyn]

I think it was said that it was just a dragon that was fed red lyrium if I recall correctly, which allowed Corypheus to possess it since the red lyrium is "alive" and would render the creature blight stricken. 

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

I just hope exiling the wardens and the following near-destruction of the order is reflected in the next game. That was one of my favorite parts of the epilogue for me.

[Jaron Oberyn]

I just hope exiling the wardens and the following near-destruction of the order is reflected in the next game. That was one of my favorite parts of the epilogue for me.

Considering they all head to Weisshaupt, which is in the North, then yes. Bioware has already stated that they will be moving North with the next game, and that there are other archdemons out there, that the Blights aren't done. So I imagine it will be addressed going forward. 

[Gamyu]

So you need an army of Grey Wardens rather than having nations of Thedas band together to end a Blight? Sorry, imo you just need a handful of Wardens to combat a Blight effectively if the treaties call forth the alliances its suppose to. Currently the Grey Warden Order is a joke and I really don't see Bioware having another game focus on the Blight. Especially with the time period between such conflicts. Viv can be a ****** but she makes a lot of valid points when it comes to both the Circles and maintaining order to Thedas.

I never said you need an army of Wardens...just not 2-3 Wardens like how some people seems to get from Origins. A handful is fine, but the Treaties will never always works. Didn't the Tevinter once refused to help with the Blight, was it 3rd or 4th Blight I can't remember. Some nations also need some convincing to go plus the Treaties to also help, which mean late reinforcements. So while a handful is fine, a few hundreds is more pleasing when a lot of Nations hated and don't want to work with each other, even if there is a big threat going on.

I can say this though, I agree that the Wardens are in a sorry state and Viv is an *** but have a few valid point, but Wardens being a useless relic of the past isn't one of them. There are after all 2 more Blights and we need them no matter on your view of them.

[Willowhugger]

I think it was said that it was just a dragon that was fed red lyrium if I recall correctly, which allowed Corypheus to possess it since the red lyrium is "alive" and would render the creature blight stricken. 

 

That would suck.

 

Cole calling it an Archdemon was awesome because it made Corypheus so angry he ENSLAVED HIS OWN GOD.

[MuhidinSaid]

I think I did the same thing!

 

First I sent in Leiliana's agents to scout out the village to find out the real reason behind the darkspawn attack, but it was just a random raid so the grey wardens were called in and many people died(including many wardens) before the darkspawn were eliminated. My guess on the first mission? Should've sent Cullen and the grey wardens outright to save as many people as possible, although I don't see how this limits grey warden casualties at all.

 

For the second quest I sent leiliana as opposed to josephine and messed up on that part. It turns out mining operations opened a chasm or something that allowed the darkspawn to reach the surface. Then I used leiliana again to use her scouts to get around demon and darkspawn and actually made the right move. Then I use josephine to get siege equipment to capture the rogue noble which is apparently the RIGHT option as the wardens hold off the demons, but they pretty much all die anyway.

 

So, is there any way to complete this questline without killing the wardens? I still see a few around skyhold.

[Iakus]

Archdemons are the most mobile non-teleporting force I can think of in all the history of fact and fiction.  You basically need at least one warden at every possible blight target.

 

More, actually.  Not all of them are going to be dumb blondes like Uthemiel (Old God of Beauty lmao), some of them are going to fly at high altitude and bite the heads and torsos off any warden they see.  So you pretty much need a hundred wardens at every possible blight target.

 

 

Bite?  An archdemon would just have to breathe on them.

 

After all:  dragon 

 

I hope the Archdemon we kill was a literal Archdemon, though.

Because that would mean the Grey Wardens have EVEN LESS reason to exist than before.

:-)

Nah, it was just a lyrium-blighted dragon.  And Cory's horcrux.  Or...something.

[Patchwork]

Why have Grey Wardens when there isn't a Blight? Have a few around to monitor the darkspawn  sure and  they recruit like crazy when a Archdemon wakes but otherwise they seem pretty pointless.

 

I've got the 16 hour quest running now with Josie, hopefully I wont kill any more of them off.

[Computron2000]

As long as someone wrote a book on how to become a warden, everything is fine. All the old ones dead? Make new ones! They were newbies sure but they work for killing the archdemon just as well

[Colonelkillabee]

Dude, it clearly wasn't an Archdemon. It was a relatively young high dragon corrupted by red lyrium. It's name is literally Red Lyrium Dragon. You can stop hoping.

ROFLMFAO you're so mean

[Willowhugger]

Dude, it clearly wasn't an Archdemon. It was a relatively young high dragon corrupted by red lyrium. It's name is literally Red Lyrium Dragon. You can stop hoping.

Yeah, and it's also called an Archdemon by Cole.

And Morrigan says that if Corypheus has enslaved an Archdemon, he's clearly not answering to the Old Gods anymore.

Also, the idea it's a young High Dragon is a rather excessive claim since everyone refers to it as an Archdemon.

[Arlee]

I exiled them (kept Hawke alive), they still went to Weisshaupt and started a civil war. The whole thing ended with the Wardens disappearing...again. Not sure if you sacrifice Hawke if something change in the epilogue.

 

Two things: 

1. For the Orlais/Ferelden Wardens to start a civil war with Weisshaupt, the HQ needs to be under the control of something bad after what happened in Southern Thedas.

2. All the Wardens disappearing less or more suggest that the next Blight is going to last a long while...

Nah, I sacrficed Hawke and had the same result. I think no matter what that Civil War happens.

[Arlee]

Yeah, and it's also called an Archdemon by Cole.

And Morrigan says that if Corypheus has enslaved an Archdemon, he's clearly not answering to the Old Gods anymore.

Also, the idea it's a young High Dragon is a rather excessive claim since everyone refers to it as an Archdemon.

Morrigan also later says it's not truely an archdemon. So there isn't a whole lot of debate on that point.

[Willowhugger]

Because they're ignorant? The lack of millions of darkspawn make it pretty damn apparent. Oh and it's name being Red Lyrium Dragon. Don't forget that part.

 

If it was an Archdemon it's name would have been Razikale. 

 

All that dragon was is a horcrux. And a psychological tactic. 

 

Well, the Archdemon was named "Archdemon" in Dragon Age.

 

I'm just saying.

 

As for there not being millions of darkspawn, why would there be unless Corypheus summoned them?

He's the one in charge, not the Archdemon.

 

It's just his puppet.

Oh well, a missed opportunity.

[CRIMS0N DRAG0N7]

I think it was said that it was just a dragon that was fed red lyrium if I recall correctly, which allowed Corypheus to possess it since the red lyrium is "alive" and would render the creature blight stricken. 

But isn't' an Archdemon an old god that's corrupted by the blight? And isn't that what red lyrium does? Mabye that is how The Darkspawn create Archdemons in the fist place. As red lyrium was initially found in the deep roads. And aren't The "Old Gods" just really powerful dragons the tevinters worhiped and gave names to. So a Present day High dragon could be made into the same thing, but as a completely new arch demon.

[CRIMS0N DRAG0N7]

But isn't' an Archdemon an old god that's corrupted by the blight? And isn't that what red lyrium does? Mabye that is how The Darkspawn create Archdemons in the fist place. As red lyrium was initially found in the deep roads. And aren't The "Old Gods" just really powerful dragons the tevinters worhiped and gave names to. So a Present day High dragon could be made into the same thing, but as a completely new arch demon.

Just not enough facts to know for sure as always with the Dragon Age series...