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[Calders]

Did you finish the Tali romance?  They photoshopped an actual photo of an actual supermodel.  That's practically the joke.

 

Compare: http://imgur.com/a/whPRX

 

Fair point... I forgot about that picture (it was a while ago I romanced Tali, as I prefer Femshep).... but that photo was just cheap, and I think most would have preferred something more alien looking (in fact I think there is a mod for that)

[LiaraShepard]

I'm envious of you girls. I wish I would have Solas as an option, because I like intellectual characters who know more about the world than others. And I love drama. The Solas romance seems to be very touching and emotional... I don't like the Dorian and Bull romance that much....They're just too casaul in my opinion. So yes...I would glady trade them for him.

[Nilesta]

I told her she needs to go for the good, honest, straightforward, LOW DRAMA guy, even if he seems boring in comparison.  

 

Cullen was never boring for people with voice things.  Cullen is an evil, evil, heart-thumping, crazing-making tease for people with voice things.

 

Does your sister have a voice thing?  Cause voice things also make you attracted to people like Arishok, which is somewhat less than entirely sane.

[Unchangeable Appearance]

Romance Blackwall:

He's actually a former-mercenary who ordered a massacre of children, but now he's reformed, right?  Right?

 

 

Yes, he is in fact totally reformed and a far better person than you, me, or anyone I've ever met. 

[Camenae]

Cullen was never boring for people with voice things.  Cullen is an evil, evil, heart-thumping, crazing-making tease for people with voice things.

 

Does your sister have a voice thing?  Cause voice things also make you attracted to people like Arishok, which is somewhat less than entirely sane.

 

Haha, no, if anything I'm the one with a voice thing.  Solas voice actor really did it for me.  It was about the looks with my sister--she just keeps texting me screenshots and game promo pics of Cullen in an effort to try to turn me away from Solas.  

[Nilesta]

Fair point... I forgot about that picture (it was a while ago I romanced Tali, as I prefer Femshep).... but that photo was just cheap, and I think most would have preferred something more alien looking (in fact I think there is a mod for that)

 

To be fair, as someone else mentioned, you don't get that photoshop until you've already done the deed, so to speak.  But I think my point stands.  Bioware made that decision because they didn't think dudes would accept a FemGarrus lookalike.  And that limits the potential of your potentials, I think.

 

I would like to share the joy that is SolasSuckerPunch with more people.  Because then we can rage-squee at each other.  And what's a fandom without lots of people to rage-squee at?

[Unchangeable Appearance]

Fair point... I forgot about that picture (it was a while ago I romanced Tali, as I prefer Femshep).... but that photo was just cheap, and I think most would have preferred something more alien looking (in fact I think there is a mod for that)

 

Seeing that photoshopped face killed my very soul. 

[Nilesta]

Haha, no, if anything I'm the one with a voice thing.  Solas voice actor really did it for me.  It was about the looks with my sister--she just keeps texting me screenshots and game promo pics of Cullen in an effort to try to turn me away from Solas.  

 

Alas, I kept seeing Ianto Jones every time he talked.  And while I'd do Ianto Jones in a heartbeat, it did somewhat dull the mystery and drama hook.

[Super Drone]

 

The fact that they have personalities beyond naive little girl, femme fatal, or sexpot action girl is a big step in the direction of trusting the straight dudes.

 

It's worked out well for them, too.   Right?

 

Right?

 

Anyone?

 

Oh...

[Spectre Impersonator]

It worked fine except for the people who hated the concept, of course. I recall there being rather a lot of them.

Right, because it's too much a stretch to believe that your companions would find you attractive regardless of gender but not too much a stretch to believe playing as an invincible juggernaut who murders hundreds per day.

Huh? More limited than DA:O? Than ME1? Than KotOR? Than NWN?

Yeah, one romance that doesn't suck and it's bugged out the arse. Never played NWN. At least previous Bioware games were functional and well done. Worst game yet in the romance department.

[Camenae]

Alas, I kept seeing Ianto Jones every time he talked.  And while I'd do Ianto Jones in a heartbeat, it did somewhat dull the mystery and drama hook.

 

I had to look him up.  I need to watch Torchwood now!

[Nilesta]

I had to look him up.  I need to watch Torchwood now!

 

So hot.  So much Jack/Ianto/Gwen hothothot.  Keep an eye out for James Marsters while you're at it (Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer).  More hot.

 

...

 

I'll be in my bunk.

[Unchangeable Appearance]

 

Right, because it's too much a stretch to believe that your companions would find you attractive regardless of gender but not too much a stretch to believe playing as an invincible juggernaut who murders hundreds per day.

 

You're confounding plot with game mechanics.

[AlanC9]

I thought it might be fun to put percentages on this topic, if we can figure out what counts and how to count it. A few methodological questions first:

How do we count gay characters? Is the problem with LIs for female PCs, or with male LIs?

What counts as a bad outcome? Does Morrigan count? And we only count stuff that the PC can't avoid, right?

What about the, er, quasi-romances? Characters that doesn't have the same content as other romanceable characters, like Linu, Juhani, Kelly , Diana, Samara? Out-of-scope?

What I see is this:

BG series: 1 straight male LI, three straight female LIs. One female LI has a bigger gut-punch than anything in DA.

NWN. No romance content in the base game except for a hint with Linu. In HotU there are one straight male and two straight females. All three have acceptable outcomes.

KotOR: one straight male , one straight female. Both come to about the same end.

ME series: 3 straight males. 4 straight females. 1 bisexual male. 1 bisexual female. 1 gay male. 1 gay female. Two of the straight male romances come to bad ends; one expected, one not.

DA:O: One of each. I think we can agree that the straight male does have a bit of a gut punch. The straight female is debatable, though I'd personally count it as a punch. (No romance content in DA:A, though I like to ship one of my Wardens and Sigrun.)

DA2: 2 bi males, 2 bi females, plus one straight male in DLC. One bi male turns out to be... not such a great guy, let's say. OTOH, you do know you're getting involved with an abomination if you get with him.

Someone else will have to classify JE and DAI. I still haven't played JE, and don't know all the DAI content yet.

Yeah, I can see a pattern. Vicky makes the average look reasonable, but she was a long time ago.

[AlanC9]

Right, because it's too much a stretch to believe that your companions would find you attractive regardless of gender but not too much a stretch to believe playing as an invincible juggernaut who murders hundreds per day.

I don't got a dog in that fight myself. I'm just pointing out that we've already had this argument, and it looks to me like your side lost. When lots of players dislike something, and the developer stops doing that thing, I don't see how it makes much sense to say that the something "works fine." "Works fine for me"? Sure.

Yeah, one romance that doesn't suck and it's bugged out the arse. Never played NWN. At least previous Bioware games were functional and well done. Worst game yet in the romance department.

So your metric for "limited" is how many of the romance tracks you personally like? OK, but it's an odd way to phrase it.

[Spectre Impersonator]

I don't got a dog in that fight myself. I'm just pointing out that we've already had this argument, and it looks to me like your side lost. When lots of players dislike something, and the developer stops doing that thing, I don't see how it makes much sense to say that the something "works fine." "Works fine for me"? Sure.

And yet judging by this thread and many like it, as well as reactions on other forums/sites, not many are especially satisfied with the messes we've gotten for romance arcs in Inquisition. Perhaps Playersexuality isn't the ideal, but the amount of choice it allows for certainly outweighs the weak choices presented currently.

So your metric for "limited" is how many of the romance tracks you personally like? OK, but it's an odd way to phrase it.

Is there a better way to do it? It's not even just about "like" when the romances are broken. That's half of the straight male romances bugged into nonexistence. Half = 0.5. Is that better for you? 

[Spectre Impersonator]

You're confounding plot with game mechanics.

Then what does party banter count as? The number of people Hawke slaughters is directly referenced in party chats, however you imply that doesn't count as part of the story?

[Sartoz]

male romances in DAO

 

1)Morrigan leaves you with or without child

 

2)Lelianna use and then leaves you so she would be with Divine

 

DA2..who have only 1 human hawke noble

 

1)Isabella is a pirate and sl*t of the half of Thedas ports, literaly and have disease...and yeah she will leave you to become a "admiral"

 

2)Merril is a elf and apostage nonandrastian dalish mage(yeah she is "really suited" to be a lover for a human noble)...and she will leave you for dalish and helping ciry elfs to escape from war

 

DAI romances

 

1)Josephine disney princes without any real romance for male inquisitor...just some flirt with kisses and hugs after all what he will done to her when 90% she will not noticing.....ahd thats all

 

2)Cassandra cheap tsundere chantry warrior...who will leave you and become a Divine or will restore/reform her Seekers

 

and yeah again only boring humans and nonmages andratian females to romance...females have a options and differences in romances and a damn godlike creature to romance

I'm pursuing CASS and she will leave me?

 

Looks like in DAI no one feels attached to a character like in DA:O .

[Farangbaa]

I'm pursuing CASS and she will leave me?
 
Looks like in DAI no one feels attached to a character like in DA:O .

Cassandra romance is by far the best romance in any Bioware game, ever.

I'm envious of you girls. I wish I would have Solas as an option, because I like intellectual characters who know more about the world than others. And I love drama. The Solas romance seems to be very touching and emotional... I don't like the Dorian and Bull romance that much....They're just too casaul in my opinion. So yes...I would glady trade them for him.

Then play as a female.

It's a role playing game, after all.

[Pasquale1234]

Yeah, sorry about the mistake. I like Asari to be honest, but the existence of an entire race of promiscuous blue women is rather funny for me so I usually joke about them. No malice intended to Asari lovers.

Not trying to call you out, but I'm relatively new to ME, and trying to figure out what the Asari are all about. Liara is very clear in telling Shepard that the Asari are not promiscuous and the union is a really big deal to them, but in several other ways they seem to be set up to be the galaxy's sex vendors.

- Look human enough to be sexually attractive? Check, although they might have been moreso if their head lasagna was long enough to simulate long hair instead of sweeping back into a ducktail.
- Bodies identical to human females? Apparently. They can even wear the same human wedgie-wear armor as Shepard.
- Work as strippers and consorts?  Yep.
- Elders still smooth, wrinkle-free, and look fabulous in a boob window that would make Madonna blush?  But of course.
 
I'm guessing we're supposed to believe that Liara is being truthful, and the Asari working at Chora's Den are artists. Maybe I'll figure it out as I play more entries in the series.
 

However, there is one thing we should remember (and I'll probably get shot for saying this), but there is a difference between male and female attraction. I'm not saying its right or wrong but for guys physical beauty tends to be more important than it is for women, whereas things like social status have little to no effect on attraction.

Actually, in that sort of world view, beauty == social status, for both sexes. Women are prized for their beauty, and a man with a beautiful woman on his arm has higher social status.

I've often wondered how much of this 'attraction' is innate and how much is socialized. There is a great deal of social pressure on women to be glamorous and on men to be seen with a glamorous woman. We've certainly been socialized to see certain features as more attractive than others - to the point where cover girl / models are all made-up, lit, and airbrushed to look alike.

I find it refreshing that Bioware is expanding the boundaries by giving us these lovely female characters who don't all look like cookie-cutter Barbies. Of course, I also think Cassandra is by far the most attractive female LI they've ever done, so there's that.

[AlanC9]

Is there a better way to do it? It's not even just about "like" when the romances are broken. That's half of the straight male romances bugged into nonexistence. Half = 0.5. Is that better for you?

Depends on whether "bugged into nonexistence" is preposterous hyperbole or not. What are the bugs, again? And why does the othe one suck?

[Spectre Impersonator]

Cassandra romance is by far the best romance in any Bioware game, ever.

Meh, it's decent. Also it's functionally broken but even as a romance it's pretty average. You get what you expect with Cassandra. This is good in some ways but there was nothing that blew me away while romancing her. She doesn't change at all, really, just shows a bit more of who she is.

Depends on whether "bugged into nonexistence" is preposterous hyperbole or not.

Not on my playthrough, it wasn't. I missed maybe 50% of the dialogue due to the conversation bug and the rhythm and pacing of the scenes (worst of all, the main love scene) was totally thrown off. Immersion = destroyed.

[Sartoz]

Monogendered means a single gender, not genderless. The prefix mono means single or one. 

 

So the Asari have one gender and that gender is female. 

The intentional meaning is the Asari Race is monogendered as female only

[Ascendra]

Not trying to call you out, but I'm relatively new to ME, and trying to figure out what the Asari are all about. Liara is very clear in telling Shepard that the Asari are not promiscuous and the union is a really big deal to them, but in several other ways they seem to be set up to be the galaxy's sex vendors.

- Look human enough to be sexually attractive? Check, although they might have been moreso if their head lasagna was long enough to simulate long hair instead of sweeping back into a ducktail.
- Bodies identical to human females? Apparently. They can even wear the same human wedgie-wear armor as Shepard.
- Work as strippers and consorts? Yep.
- Elders still smooth, wrinkle-free, and look fabulous in a boob window that would make Madonna blush? But of course.

I'm guessing we're supposed to believe that Liara is being truthful, and the Asari working at Chora's Den are artists. Maybe I'll figure it out as I play more entries in the series.

No worries. I guess Im just being very cynical towards them. Sure, there are great Asari in ME universe - Aria, Aethytya, even Liara - that dont fit the promiscuous description, but i honestly cant take seriously the only race out of an entire galaxy that has only women and can mate with every other race. Thats some great adaptability they evolved.
And honestly, i think Liara talking about importance of a bond is her being naive. She's basically a child in ME1 and as inexperienced as ever. Obviously she would believe the bond important, like a lot of teenagers believe that love is beautiful before they get burned by RL. I think Samara talks about Asari promiscuity when they are young and then later how they become matriarchs. Its something to do with living for 1000 years and trying everything in life. Though I maybe wrong. Also the amount of Asari exotic dancers in clubs doesnt help their reputation.

OP, Sorry for derailing the topic too much.

[Sartoz]

Huh? More limited than DA:O? Than ME1? Than KotOR? Than NWN?

Not the number.