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[fluorine3]

[Update]As several people noted, some of the cards are simply depict NPC's particular situation based on Inquisitor's choice. It's not particularly happy or sad. I realize the title of this post is bit too judgmental, but I haven't found a way to change the title yet. So apologize for my poor choices of words. 

 

[12-9: updated card change condition and other variation of cards based on comments]

 

Not sure if this has been discussed. I figure people probably talked about this in character specific threads. But this is my effort of putting everyone in the same thread and maybe later write a walkthrough or something. 

 

I really like the character cards and how they change design based on their personal quests and your choices in the game. 

 

In general:

 

• Non-romancable characters has 3 cards: normal card you start with, two variations based on your choice (need confirmation) 
• Romancable characters has 4 cards: normal card you start with, two variations based on your choice and an additional romance card if you romance the character (need confirmation). 

 

So far here's what I got: 

 

Sera: 

 

Condition: finishing her personal quest. Let her kill the noble. Do some pranks with her, and get her approval up. 

 

Note: You can ask Sera to let the noble live and still make her happy, 

 

Dorian: 

 

Condition: take him to Redcliffe and meet the retainer send by his family, turns out it's his father. Encourage him to talk to his father instead of storm out. Help him reconcile with his father. 

 

Varric

 

Condition: During his personal quest, help Bianca seal the tunnel. Don't get angry with Bianca, tell Varric she's doing her best. Get his approval rate up. Later he'll invite you to have card game with other companions (it's a really fun cutscene). Afterwards, his card will change. 

 

Note: After the Warden quest, Varric's card will turn dark (red, blood, Varric looking defeat) no matter how you choose (I played this quest twice with different choices combination, Varric's card turn dark regardless). But if you do his personal quest afterwards, his card will change to the happy one. 

 

Cassandra

 

(Will update)

 

Cassandra card change after player romance her or pick her as the new divine. 

 

Blackwall 

 

Do his personal quest, get him back to skyhold via whatever means (it seems regardless how you get him back the card change is the same). Set him free (and he'll pledge his sword to the Inquisition).

 

Blackwall is pretty straight forward. 

 

Cole: 

 

Go talk to him a few times until the cutscene started when he's asking Solas to bind him. Solas refused but suggest there's an amulet that could help him stay free. Go to the war table and do the amulet operation. Give the amulet to Cole and then realize the amulet doesn't work. the cutscene will lead you and Cole (as well as Solas and Varric) to Redcliffe Village. Agree with Solas and let Cole stay more like a spirit. 

 

If you side with Varric and make Cole more human, his clothing is black. And he seems pretty happy as well. 

 

Vivienne

 

(Will Update) 

 

Hasn't done his personal quest yet. 

 

Solas 

 

 

If player romance Solas, his card changes after Temple of Mythal, if the romance is successful. 

 

(finally got his Romance card last night. very disappointing with the scene though... What the hell is that?! How could he do this to me!)

 

 

Iron Bull 

 

Iron Bull is the only NPC quest I screw up. I was hoping he'd be happy that I saved the Chargers (and I like Krem and don't want him to die). But his card change all depressing and bloody. I have exhausted his conversation and not sure if his card will ever change to be happy.

 

If you sided with Qunari, Bull's card change to him carry the Qunari flag, not a very "happy" picture per se, but it seems from his conversation he's happier with this result. 

 

I just finished winter palace last night (screw up Solas romance on my first play through had to restart after 50 hours into the game). Feel free to provide suggests and comments! I'll update this post (can I update this post?) if I successfully change other cards to happy cards. 

 

Thanks! 

[Sully13]

Cols looks the same only whith a black shirt.. he is still happy.

[Iakus]

Just want to point out:

 

There is an option (I think it's bonus dialogue from one of Leliana's perks) that lets you keep the noble alive and keep Sera happy. 

 

I used Leliana's trick to swap out BLackwall for another condemned prisoner rather than diplomacy and got the same card for Blackwall.

 

Cole's picture looks identical if you encourage him to be more human.

[Frybread76]

I think you have to choose the Qunari on Iron Bull's quest.  I chose the Chargers and no matter what I did afterward, Iron Bull's card remained the same.

[Dune01]

Solas gets the card only after successfully romancing him, in other words after the Arbor Wilds/Well mission. And the Qun Bull card isn't happy either.

[Killdren88]

Whoops! Wrong thread!

[vertigomez]

Solas's changes to The Hierophant after you confirm the romance.

Otherwise it becomes The Tower.

[Iakus]

Solas gets the card only after successfully romancing him, in other words after the Arbor Wilds/Well mission. And the Qun Bull card isn't happy either.

Similarly, Cassandra only gets a new card if you romance her or she becomes Divine

[Sable Rhapsody]

VIvienne's card only changes upon successful completion of her companion quest, which you can bork up in a number of ways.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Iron Bull's card if you side with the Qun is of him Marching in a infantry line waving a Qunari (i suppose) flag.

 

Very fascist like, although from Bull's dialogue he is more than happy with it. So i guess its ok

 

As for Vivienne, there isnt much diference, its just her and her dead lover on a bed.

[Frybread76]

Iron Bull's card if you side with the Qun is of him Marching in a infantry line waving a Qunari (i suppose) flag.

 

Very fascist like, although from Bull's dialogue he is more than happy with it. So i guess its ok

 

As for Vivienne, there isnt much diference, its just her and her dead lover on a bed.

 

I agree.  Although he admits the Qun is not perfect, Iron Bull's dialogue lends me to believe he thinks it's superior to other forms of belief or government.  So i agree his "good" quest ending is one in which you sacrifice the Chargers for the Qunari alliance, thereby keeping him in the Ben'Hassrath and from becoming Tal'Vashoth.

[Cat Fancy]

I think Bull's card will only change at this point if you're in a romance with him. While it does look grim, I'd say the one where he's flying the flag for a totalitarian empire is not really "happy" either, although your mileage may vary. In conversation, he's initially upset that he's Tal-Vashoth now, but he adapts to his new reality. Either decision you make will cause him to experience some emotional pain.

 

I think Dorian's card is sinister! But apparently it's fine. I'm romancing him this PT, so I should get a different one in the end. It still has that red-eyed black snake, which I guess I just need to stop reading into. Does his card change if you encourage him not to reconcile with his father? TBH, I felt like an idiot letting him do that, especially when I saw how his card changed. Sure, everyone makes mistakes. Not everyone almost fries your brain with non-consensual blood magic, though.

 

I feel pretty dumb/naive whenever I make choices to "soften" Leliana, too. She doesn't have tarot cards, though, (or does she??) so this is not the thread.

 

Similarly, Cassandra only gets a new card if you romance her or she becomes Divine

I don't think this is true. I got a card change and neither was the case in my playthrough. I'm pretty sure non-romanced Solas got a card change, too?

Spoiler

And not just after the epilogue...

[Lavaeolus]

Neither of Bull's cards are particularly happy. Whatever happens, the events of the quest scar him, and while it doesn't exactly ruin his life forever, he'll still be sad.

He either fails the Qun, fails society which is for perspective is a bit like failing your parents, is kicked out, branded uncivilised and a Tal'Vasoth -- something very bad in his perspective. Orr... he leaves his friends to die, people he would've likely laid down his life for, for a cause they never really supported -- see, they die for him. And he knows that.

So either way for him, it's kind of a bummer.

Spoiler

[Renmiri1]

No  Solas happy ? (Or at least romanced)

[TheTurtle]

Anyone have the "bad" cards?

[Lavaeolus]

@Renmiri1: Solas's card doesn't change if you do his quest, though he does have his own romanced card.

Spoiler

At the end of the game, Solas's tarot card will change, but it's not exactly happy.

[Frybread76]

Neither of Bull's cards are particularly happy. Whatever happens, the events of the quest scar him, and while it doesn't exactly ruin his life forever, he'll still be sad.

He either fails the Qun, fails society which is for perspective is a bit like failing your parents, is kicked out, branded uncivilised and a Tal'Vasoth -- something very bad in his perspective. Orr... he leaves his friends to die, people he would've likely laid down his life for, for a cause they never really supported -- see, they die for him. And he knows that.

So either way for him, it's kind of a bummer.

Spoiler

 

Yeah.  I guess one could say that Iron Bull really isn't Iron Bull - he's a Ben'Hasrath agent who is pretending to be Iron Bull.  So, really, choosing to sacrifice the Chargers for the Qunari alliance should be the default choice in that case, IMO.  (Interestingly, on one playthrough where I was neutral toward him and didn't do his personal quest, he chose to drop the Iron Bull identity and return to the Ben'Hasrath.)

 

However, one could also say he became Iron Bull while undercover spying for the Ben'Hasrath and, therefore, would never leave his friends to die like that.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Well, lets remember that pretty much all powerful governaments in Thedas are totalitarian and "evil" in some way.

 

I actually find Orlay to be the worst, the Grand Game is something that i find utterly disgusting.

 

But yeah, Iron Bull seems to be much happier within the Qun than getting cast out.

 

Remember that he did turn himself in for "re-education", he has a great sense of duty to his country.

[Gill Kaiser]

This is simplistic. The cards are not simply split between happy and sad. Bull's cards represent the situation, not his state of happiness.

[AtreiyaN7]

Bull's quest really doesn't end happily either way, so...yeah. I mean, the best you can hope for is his romance tarot as the happiest outcome for him. Heh. I guess the romance cards for the romanceable companions would constitute the happiest states for each of them. And as others have already pointed out, Cole's human card is the same - just black - and he's still quite happy (and possibly better off in the end, but I guess that depends on your viewpoint on the subject).

[fluorine3]

This is simplistic. The cards are not simply split between happy and sad. Bull's cards represent the situation, not his state of happiness.

 

good point. I'll revise it so it sounds less emotional. 

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

This is simplistic. The cards are not simply split between happy and sad. Bull's cards represent the situation, not his state of happiness.

 

True, but i tried both Bull outcomes and it seems he takes the loss of his comarades better than getting exiled from the Qun.

 

I mean, it makes sense, it seems the guy is really a patriot, even if he doesnt show like the Arishok did in DA2.

[Lavaeolus]

Yeah.  I guess one could say that Iron Bull really isn't Iron Bull - he's a Ben'Hasrath agent who is pretending to be Iron Bull.  So, really, choosing to sacrifice the Chargers for the Qunari alliance should be the default choice in that case, IMO.  (Interestingly, on one playthrough where I was neutral toward him and didn't do his personal quest, he chose to drop the Iron Bull identity and return to the Ben'Hasrath.)
 
However, one could also say he became Iron Bull while undercover spying for the Ben'Hasrath and, therefore, would never leave his friends to die like that.

Iron Bull's got a lot of identity issues going on. For all his loud-bearing attitude, his dragon-fighting bloodlust, ultimately he's the classic spy whose face is his mask, much like Leliana back in Origins (and actually probably this game too).

He began with no name. He took on the Iron Bull -- but it wasn't an entirely disingenuous change. And now... take away the Iron Bull... and who do you have left? No one.

It's all very thematic probably.

At the end of the quest, you answer who he is. And hey, maybe being a Qunari isn't so bad.

[Feybrad]

Iron Bull's got a lot of identity issues going on. For all his loud-bearing attitude, his dragon-fighting bloodlust, ultimately he's the classic spy whose face is his mask, much like Leliana back in Origins (and actually probably this game too).

He began with no name. He took on the Iron Bull -- but it wasn't an entirely disingenuous change. And now... take away the Iron Bull... and who do you have left? No one.

It's all very thematic probably.

At the end of the quest, you answer who he is. And hey, maybe being a Qunari isn't so bad.

 

He does actually have a Qunari "Name" - was it "Hissrad"? I think it was "Hissrad".

[Cat Fancy]

Well, lets remember that pretty much all powerful governaments in Thedas are totalitarian and "evil" in some way.

No, I really wouldn't say they are. Sure, they're all at least kind of "evil"  whatever. I didn't use that word to describe the Qunari government. (altough I wouldn't say it's especially inappropriate) But there's a difference between a government being authoritarian or non-democratic and totalitarian. The Qun allows no political or religious freedom and Qunari have the explicit goal of conquering Thedas and converting other nations by force. Both Bull and Dorian engage in some moral relativism and whataboutery about how people in the south aren't really free either. It is realistic that they would do this, because apologists for slavery and single-party socialist states did/do the same thing IRL. I don't find their arguments very convincing, but you might disagree. That's fine.

 

 

Anyway, as people of said, Bull's quest doesn't leave him unambiguously happy regardless of what you choose.