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[Dean_the_Young]

He's Tevinter a country that's sworn enemies not only with the Orlesian Chantry but most of Thedas, of course she's suspicious. She backs off if you vouch for him, she just brings up her concerns. I don't see an issue with what she does.

 

This is BSN. Questioning the association with sympathetic companions is just a stone's throw from being a murderer.

 

Actually, scratch that. Murderers are some of the most popular sympathetic companions. Questioning sympathetic companions is probably closer to being a child molester.

[ITNW1989]

Ally with the Templars and let Gaspard rule alone. Those are the biggies.

 

Strange. I allied with the mages, got Gaspard exiled, and STILL got Cassandra nominated before I even got the option to go to Valence with Leliana.

[Dean_the_Young]

You would get Vivienne. If you support neither Cass or Leliana, or waffle between supporting both at the same time, Vivi ninja's the throne in the end.

 

Does she?

 

Sweet. I was wondering how I would approach it with my Cassandramance Inquisitor, since I heard she breaks it off if she makes Divine.

[Milan92]

Maybe she's kept unattached for the expansion/DLC/DA4? You know when the current Divine's (not)reforms blow in her face and they need a new one.

 

I'm gonna laugh if that happens, because I'm totally expecting it to happen.

 

Its much easier that way for the next game instead of having 3 different divine possibilities.

[rda]

Strange. I allied with the mages, got Gaspard exiled, and STILL got Cassandra nominated before I even got the option to go to Valence with Leliana.

I think Cassandra is auto-nominated by the game as the moderate option. I suspect, from reading some threads about it, that the game locks out either Viv/Leliana depending on your choices in the Mage/Templar quest. I have never seen anyone get Viv after allying with the mages or conscripting the Templars and vice versa for Leliana.

Cassandra is available regardless of your choices, though certain choices favor her more than others, such as allying with the Templars and putting Gaspard on the throne.

That's all my 2 cents of cours; I don't believe anyone's discovered the exact algorithm yet.

[Char]

I told Cassandra to reform the Seekers and essentially changed the subject when she talked about being Divine because I wanted Leliana. Mother Giselle fell out of my good books verrrry quickly after not being nice about my BFF Dorian. Tolerance is a virtue that apparently only extends to people who can close holes in the sky.

[LobselVith8]

I'm gonna laugh if that happens, because I'm totally expecting it to happen.

 

Its much easier that way for the next game instead of having 3 different divine possibilities.

 

Given how all three candidates assume the same name as Divine, it looks like the developers already covered their bases. If the next games take place in regions outside of Orlais and Ferelden, it'll simply be an issue about what we hear taking place in those regions.

[Milan92]

I told Cassandra to reform the Seekers and essentially changed the subject when she talked about being Divine because I wanted Leliana. Mother Giselle fell out of my good books verrrry quickly after not being nice about my BFF Dorian. Tolerance is a virtue that apparently only extends to people who can close holes in the sky.

 

I kinda liked that Giselle had that flaw.

 

She came across as the perfect chantry mother, but even she had her flaws.

 

Given how all three candidates assume the same name as Divine, it looks like the developers already covered their bases. If the next games take place in regions outside of Orlais and Ferelden, it'll simply be an issue about what we hear taking place in those regions.

 

The differences between each Divine are too big.

[wright1978]

Given how all three candidates assume the same name as Divine, it looks like the developers already covered their bases. If the next games take place in regions outside of Orlais and Ferelden, it'll simply be an issue about what we hear taking place in those regions.

 

Indeed, i don't see them getting rid of Divine Victoria for some weak side character like Giselle, not least because presenting players with a big choice and then pulling the rug from under them would be extremely unpopular. As far as i see it they are likely to move away from Ferleden/Orlais for the next game, (which i certainly look forward to), allowing them to refer to Divine Victoria in passing.

[Xilizhra]

That's the first kind thing I've heard you say about Vivienne. I'm surprised.

 

Lelianna is pious, to be sure, but hardly honest.

She's not always honest in her means, but is extremely honest in her ends; she won't promise one goal and then fail to live up to it.

[celebrei]

Remember that she's also the one who 

Spoiler

reconcile Dorian and his father. Without her, the quest wouldn't even happen

Very true indeed.

[Mahumia]

It seems that there are some bugs or (mostly) unknown factors deciding who becomes the next divine? I would probably have chosen Giselle over any of the other candidates, because neither seems to be a good option to me.

 

I recall that first Leliana approached me for wanting to be divine, and my character was neutral, but said she would approve of it. Later, Cas was like: I want to be divine, and in the end Viv raised her hand too... I just picked the 'support Cas' option on the war table (the others were there too), sometime after going to Valance with Leliana (after which my character went 'nope!' over letting Leliana become divine... she slit the woman's throat even though my inq objected, and then still blamed the inq?!). No ninja-ing of the position for me. And I allied with the mages and supported the Orlesian Queen, exiled Gaspard and killed Florianne, fyi. Also, Cas had a very high approval with the inquisitor, so maybe that matters too?

[Bugsie]

I told Cassandra to reform the Seekers and essentially changed the subject when she talked about being Divine because I wanted Leliana. Mother Giselle fell out of my good books verrrry quickly after not being nice about my BFF Dorian. Tolerance is a virtue that apparently only extends to people who can close holes in the sky.

Question - if you talk about the Seekers with Cassandra and she answers 'she'll think on it' does this preclude from making/encouraging her to be the next Divine?  Because I really don't see Leliana being a good fit for the Divine at all and don't want her to take that role in this playthrough.

[Precursor Meta]

She does seem like the right one for the job. Mother Giselle really reminds me of my grandmother. She's a pastor.

[dantares83]

i was surprise why Bioware did not consider her at all. I mean the Grand Clerics would have choosen her over Vivi anytime right?

[Bailyn242]

Alrighty then, I'm on my second playthrough and intended to try and setup Giselle as Divine and found this thread. All I can say is I disagree.

 

It comes down to this simple point. Of the two viable and acceptable (to the game) candidates Leliana and Cassandra both come to my inquisitor for spiritual guidance when they are troubled. Who does my inquisitor go to? You got it in one, Mother Giselle.

 

She is more of a faith leader than a military or political one, in other words, exactly what the Chantry needs. The last thing it needs is another War Leader, Mage or Politician/Spy. The issue with the Chanttry is that it has become a political entity. This is why it was so crippled when Divine Beatrix is killed at the conclave. They were too busy politicking to take care of the people who are their charge. Mother Giselle is exactly the opposite. When the war blew up she headed into the hinterlands to assist the refugees threatened by the conflict while the rest of the Chantry was off somewhere in Orlais arguing with each other.

 

Leliana is an option but is she a better one? She seems too extreme in her reforms, Cass is needed elsewhere to reform the Seekers and Viv is flat out power hungry. I wouldn't let that narcissistic creature into the same room with the sunburst throne. Giselle on the Sunburst throne would have the support of both Cass and Leliana plus the Inquisition. I highly doubt anyone would be willing to face that trio of powers in a grab for power. They'd get smushed quick.

[Qun00]

Mother Giselle is too conservative and would do little to change anything.

She's a better person than most people in the Chantry so she might fix a few issues, but the system would remain the same.

[thats1evildude]

Leliana never got beyond lay sister and Cass is a seeker.  None of them are typical candidates for Divine.

 

But they're the Right and Left Hands of the Divine. So they rank higher than a lowly Mother.

 

Giselle is too controversial. She's sympathetic to the mages and thinks men should be allowed to take higher positions within the Chantry.

[helpthisguyplease]

 Giselle could have been a very very very very good puppet divine for the inquisition. Now the inqusition is as strong as any country of Thedas but with the chantry as a puppet they would have been the stronger then any country on Thedas.

[Catche Jagger]

But they're the Right and Left Hands of the Divine. So they rank higher than a lowly Mother.

Giselle is too controversial. She's sympathetic to the mages and thinks men should be allowed to take higher positions within the Chantry.

Leliana abolishes the Circles and allows other races to hold positions in the Chantry.