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[Morsaa]

I demand Mass Keep that works like Dragon Age Keep. Otherwise send assassins to end my life.

[Kurt M.]

I was thinking of it as well...having in mind there's an engine change too, it's most probable it'll happen.

 

Well, at least if ME 1/3 story has anything relevant to add to MEnext's one.

[Ashevajak]

I demand Mass Keep that works like Dragon Age Keep. Otherwise send assassins to end my life.

 

You mean "inconsistently"?

[Sundance31us]

Count me in with one stipulation...make it BETTER than DAK.

[themikefest]

You don't have to worry about Kai Leng coming after you since he sucks as an assassin.

 

I've used the keep a couple times for my playthroughs and everything seems ok. I'm sure the ME team are keeping a close eye on dragon Age keep to see how well it works and maybe for a future ME game will use a keep.

[Morsaa]

I want mass effect keep to ME3 so i dont have to play those 2 games AGAIN trough. 

[Vazgen]

Uhm, Genesis 2?

[Valmar]

Rest in peace.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In all seriousness though you could use Genesis 2, as Vazgen suggested - or, depending on your platform, you could even use the Gibbed Save Editor. Or masseffectsaves.com

 

Honestly I'd rather use Gibbed then Mass Keep or genesis. It gives me a lot more freedom. Though not as simple or user-friendly I have to admit.

[Valmar]

I would rather they canonize Destroy and start from scratch without any of the baggage from the previous games seeping in.

 

I've love that but where is the sympathy for the all the poor saps who picked different endings or rather PREFER them? Would really suck for those chaps. I might be happy with destroy being canon but I don't think making any one ending canon would be fair to everyone else. I'd like a way for them to represent all the endings without abandoning anyone who happened to like an ending different from mine.

 

I mean, imagine if they went with synthesis as the one and only ending and that was canon? I'd be furious! Lol. We should try to have a bit of empathy before we argue for canonization of one particular ending, no?

[78stonewobble]

I've love that but where is the sympathy for the all the poor saps who picked different endings or rather PREFER them? Would really suck for those chaps. I might be happy with destroy being canon but I don't think making any one ending canon would be fair to everyone else. I'd like a way for them to represent all the endings without abandoning anyone who happened to like an ending different from mine.

 

I mean, imagine if they went with synthesis as the one and only ending and that was canon? I'd be furious! Lol. We should try to have a bit of empathy before we argue for canonization of one particular ending, no?

 

Oh, that's easy... Just add a really annoying green tint to everything, if they choose that.  

 

At the time of ME4, if it is post ME3, blue ending shep could have ordered the reapers to go away and thus be as irrelevant as the red ending reapers. 

[Valmar]

Oh, that's easy... Just add a really annoying green tint to everything, if they choose that.

 

I get what you're saying but you say it as if its answering a question I put forward. Which I didn't... not that I don't agree with your sentiment.

[78stonewobble]

I get what you're saying but you say it as if its answering a question I put forward. Which I didn't... not that I don't agree with your sentiment.

 

Well the questions you did put forth, was a bit non sensical. 

 

Sympathy for people who picked other endings. 

 

Sure, but people picking A should have sympathy for people picking B, those should have sympathy for people picking C and those should have sympathy for people picking A. 

 

Sure, I agree there's no reason to be rude about any canonical ending getting picked, but they can only accomodate sofar and the sympathy just turns into a circle je...uhm sympathy.

 

One canon, for the rest there's headcanon.  

[Arcian]

I would rather they canonize Destroy and start from scratch without any of the baggage from the previous games seeping in.

So, no to MEK and send assassins after the OP.

You're pretty naive if you think the ending choices in ME3 are going to matter in ME4. The most we're getting is a line of dialogue or a small codex entry.

[Bakgrind]

Oh, that's easy... Just add a really annoying green tint to everything, if they choose that.

 

 

 

You know at one time I thought they would do just that for the next ME game if it was a direct sequel to ME 3 by  tinting all of the characters  by you RGB choice . It's so far fetched that it possibly could happen.

[Valmar]

Well the questions you did put forth, was a bit non sensical. 

 

Sympathy for people who picked other endings. 

 

Sure, but people picking A should have sympathy for people picking B, those should have sympathy for people picking C and those should have sympathy for people picking A. 

 

Sure, I agree there's no reason to be rude about any canonical ending getting picked, but they can only accomodate sofar and the sympathy just turns into a circle je...uhm sympathy.

 

One canon, for the rest there's headcanon.

 

Questions? Nonsensical? With all due respect your post, from my perspective, comes off as more nonsensical than mine. It's almost like you misunderstood what I said. 

 

All I asked is where was the sympathy for fans of other endings to counter the argument that Bioware should decide on destroy being the one and only canonical ending to the trilogy.

 

The 'one canon ending- rest headcanon' approach would be very unfair and indeed unjust to all the fans who liked endings other than whatever one they decide is canon. Bioware already walks a slippery slope when it comes to making our choices in the trilogy seem trivial. Imagine if they applied this to the virmire survivor. You save Ashley but then find out that no matter what your choice didn't matter because ME2 only acknowledges Kaidan as the virmire survivor. It would suck and completely take away from that decision.

 

They shouldn't make any of the three endings a definite canon ending, invalidating the others. They've done quite enough damage with the ending as it is, lets not encourage them to make our decision even less important. To say "oh, control and synthesis weren't real endings, only destroy was the 'right' ending" is not fair to a large portion of the fanbase. Hasn't the fanbase been screwed around by Bioware enough already? Lol.

 

 

 

You're pretty naive if you think the ending choices in ME3 are going to matter in ME4. The most we're getting is a line of dialogue or a small codex entry.

 

I agree. Unfortunately.

 

I still think it would be better than going with one single canon ending, though. I fully expect them to trivialize our ending choice, much like they do with the other choices in the trilogy, but that is preferred to them outright making 2/3's of the endings completely invalid and headcanon.

[78stonewobble]

Questions? Nonsensical? With all due respect your post, from my perspective, comes off as more nonsensical than mine. It's almost like you misunderstood what I said. 

 

All I asked is where was the sympathy for fans of other endings to counter the argument that Bioware should decide on destroy being the one and only canonical ending to the trilogy.

 

The 'one canon ending- rest headcanon' approach would be very unfair and indeed unjust to all the fans who liked endings other than whatever one they decide is canon. Bioware already walks a slippery slope when it comes to making our choices in the trilogy seem trivial. Imagine if they applied this to the virmire survivor. You save Ashley but then find out that no matter what your choice didn't matter because ME2 only acknowledges Kaidan as the virmire survivor. It would suck and completely take away from that decision.

 

They shouldn't make any of the three endings a definite canon ending, invalidating the others. They've done quite enough damage with the ending as it is, lets not encourage them to make our decision even less important. To say "oh, control and synthesis weren't real endings, only destroy was the 'right' ending" is not fair to a large portion of the fanbase. Hasn't the fanbase been screwed around by Bioware enough already? Lol.

 

It's because I think that, if you focus on one ending and one path through the games, bioware can then flesh that resulting state of the galaxy and setting out alot better, than if they had to accomodate from 2 endings and god knows how many choices throughout the games.

 

No matter which ending is picked. I prefer that.

 

Obviously It would be preferable, awesome indeed, with a true branching universe that recognizes everyones choices and make them really matter, but the truth is developmental ressources are limited and given those limitations, the more choices you need to fit into a game, the less they will matter. So I really do prefer the canon reset button between games... Well or have nothing against it. 

[Valmar]

You're playing with the assumption that they would HAVE to make the three endings have a large, distinguishable impact on the plot. Which would indeed make it very difficult to accomplish because it would essentially be three different games. I agree with what Arcain said earlier that the ending choice will come down to just a codex entry and little else. Just as in the trilogy they found ways to work around these things so too will ME:Next. In ME3 for example if you didn't save the rachni, nothing huge changes, they just make an excuse for why she is still there. I would rather they were subtle and hinted at your choice but ultimately trivializes it rather than outright declaring multiple endings to be invalid and false.

 

I compared it to them saying Kaidan is the only 'real' survivor and forcing him to be the survivor in the trilogy regardless of who you chose to sacrifice in the first game. I believe this is still an accurate comparison. The choice of virmire survivor isn't really a big deal, it doesn't dramatically change the game. Yet they still give nod to it. If you do arrival or don't do arrival it really doesn't matter but they still give nod to it. If you saved the queen or killed the queen it doesn't really matter, they still give nod to it. Same with Wrex, same with the heretics, same with a lot of things in the series. I'm not arguing they should spend years making three very different plot-specific stories and games firmly rooted around each ending. I just think that they shouldn't single out only one particular ending and make it the ONE AND ONLY ending of the franchise.

 

Even though the differences in story for many of your choices in the trilogy are minor at least they don't say you're wrong, that doesn't count, you picked something else because we say so. If they chose destroy as the canonical ending thats precisely what they'll be doing, saying to fans of control/synthesis that your ending was the wrong one and we're moving on. Imagine if with ME3 they removed the choice to play as Femshep and say that you were wrong, maleshep is the only REAL Shepard, deal with it. Canonizing one and only one ending spits in the face of the fans who choose others. That is why I disagree with it and say people should try having a bit of sympathy for all those fans who would be shunned by such a move.

 

I understand why you would prefer destroy to be canon, really I do. Personally I would to, its the only ending I really like and is the only one I choose. So I'd be fine with it. But that doesn't mean I'm oblivious to all the other endings and what such a decision would mean for those who don't like destroy.

[SilJeff]

destroy; no reapers because they are dead. new flashlight heads replace geth because they were rebuilt using the geth software [someone will just happen to have one on a flash drive {pun?} with a Geth in it]. EDI is gone. Everyone else who didn't die is still alive.

 

control; no reapers because they are protecting the galaxy from outside threats in darkspace as to not interfere with the galaxy's everyday life. Geth are geth. EDI is working. Everyone else who didn't die is still alive.

 

synthesis; no reapers because they moved back to darkspace to form their own colony as they were still resented because of their past. Geth are geth. Everyone has a feint green hue on top of them [unless the race is naturally green, everyone will still have their natural color, just with some green on top of it]. Everyone else who didn't die is still alive.

 

refuse; as non-canon as shepard's ME2 death. No import into the fourth game.

 

 

I say take this approach and work from there. Every ending gets a nod without changing too much of the fundamentals of the game. No bias towards one ending over another. Just don't have the conflict be based on racial ones.

[capn233]

Shouldn't it be Mass Effect CIC or Ops or something?

[78stonewobble]

You're playing with the assumption that they would HAVE to make the three endings have a large, distinguishable impact on the plot. Which would indeed make it very difficult to accomplish because it would essentially be three different games. I agree with what Arcain said earlier that the ending choice will come down to just a codex entry and little else. Just as in the trilogy they found ways to work around these things so too will ME:Next. In ME3 for example if you didn't save the rachni, nothing huge changes, they just make an excuse for why she is still there. I would rather they were subtle and hinted at your choice but ultimately trivializes it rather than outright declaring multiple endings to be invalid and false.

 

I compared it to them saying Kaidan is the only 'real' survivor and forcing him to be the survivor in the trilogy regardless of who you chose to sacrifice in the first game. I believe this is still an accurate comparison. The choice of virmire survivor isn't really a big deal, it doesn't dramatically change the game. Yet they still give nod to it. If you do arrival or don't do arrival it really doesn't matter but they still give nod to it. If you saved the queen or killed the queen it doesn't really matter, they still give nod to it. Same with Wrex, same with the heretics, same with a lot of things in the series. I'm not arguing they should spend years making three very different plot-specific stories and games firmly rooted around each ending. I just think that they shouldn't single out only one particular ending and make it the ONE AND ONLY ending of the franchise.

 

Even though the differences in story for many of your choices in the trilogy are minor at least they don't say you're wrong, that doesn't count, you picked something else because we say so. If they chose destroy as the canonical ending thats precisely what they'll be doing, saying to fans of control/synthesis that your ending was the wrong one and we're moving on. Imagine if with ME3 they removed the choice to play as Femshep and say that you were wrong, maleshep is the only REAL Shepard, deal with it. Canonizing one and only one ending spits in the face of the fans who choose others. That is why I disagree with it and say people should try having a bit of sympathy for all those fans who would be shunned by such a move.

 

I understand why you would prefer destroy to be canon, really I do. Personally I would to, its the only ending I really like and is the only one I choose. So I'd be fine with it. But that doesn't mean I'm oblivious to all the other endings and what such a decision would mean for those who don't like destroy.

 

Personally I prefer destroy, because to me it's the only one that makes sense, but the world does not revolve around me and my minor nitpickyness.

 

If I cared alot I wouldn't settle for a codex entry. If I only cared a little or not at all, there's no reason to make even a codex entry. 

 

They should just pick the ending, that makes for the best me4 or menext as possible, whichever ending that might be. That far outweighs my personal validation needs from bioware. 

[Valmar]

If the canonization of an ending allows the writers to craft a better story for the next chapter, they should roll with it at the expense of the minority of people who chose the other two endings.  

 

Besides, it is hardly unusual for developers of RPGs to choose one ending as canon.  

What if they revealed to us in the statistics that destroy was the minority? We shouldn't make grand assumptions without citations. You would think the majority of players have Wrex but that isn't true. There are four different endings, we have no reason to think one specific ending is heavily favored enough to call the others 'minorities'.

 

I know RPGs have done it before, that doesn't mean they should. There are ways to do it that don't shun 2/3rds of of the fan community.