Does it frustrate you as much as me? I have a gamer friend who just can't fathom the interactive story that DA is and thinks it has too many cut scenes. He also thinks the stories in CoD are deep (I wish I was kidding). He just doesn't consider it a "game" unless it's continuous fighting and action.
It's so hard to discuss without being insulting.
It's so hard to discuss without being insulting.
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If a last boss fight can be fought with a long and complex conversation that makes sense, in which wrong options in conversation can mean the transition to combat - but the right options can lead to a peaceful resolution - then I consider that much more intense and fun than actual combat.
That would be an awesome way to handle a final boss fight. Has anything like that ever been done?
Most options would probably have to lead to combat and peaceful resolution would have to be pretty tricky to obtain in order to be truly satisfying. Most people would probably pick the obligatory "Die, demon!" lines, which is fine, but 20 to 30 minutes of verbal sparring could be really awesome, if handled well.
People like different things. You couldn't pay me to play games like CoD but I understand that not everyone looks for the same elements in a game (or show or movie or book, etc...).
I couldn't care less if I come across 'insulting'. I tell people all the time that Dragon Age is for sophisticated gamers -- basically telling people they're morons if they aren't fans of the series.
Yea they take offense, which is a greenlight for me to double-down on my stance.
I've weakened a couple of 'friendships' advocating for this series - truth hurts I guess.
You may have succeeded as a Gamer, but you failed as a friend. Friends don't let friends buy xbones.I introduced a 'cro-magnon gamer' FIRST to Mass Effect, then lead him down the path of Dragon Age.
I considered the campaign successful when he went out and bought a Xbox 1 and a copy of DA:I
Er, I can promise that all of the gamers I've met are fully human. The only people I've heard of with cro-mag genes are Lemmy from Motorhead, Keith Richards and Ozzy Osborne. As far as I know, none of them are gamers. 
There's different strokes for different folks. I would suggest worrying less about what your friend thinks of your games and instead just enjoying the games you play. I'm sure that he likes more than just CoD just as you like more than just Dragon Age. Maybe try suggesting Mass Effect to him? If he got a taste of BioWare games from there, he might like Dragon Age.
Also, not everyone likes the fantasy genre in general. Nothing wrong with that and it doesn't make them less intelligent because of it. It's okay to like different things from even your closest friends.
That would be an awesome way to handle a final boss fight. Has anything like that ever been done?
Most options would probably have to lead to combat and peaceful resolution would have to be pretty tricky to obtain in order to be truly satisfying. Most people would probably pick the obligatory "Die, demon!" lines, which is fine, but 20 to 30 minutes of verbal sparring could be really awesome, if handled well.
If you explain to him that having cut scenes in something like Dragon Age is only a little different than having cut scenes in something like Diablo he might get it better. (because who doesn't like at least part of the Diablo franchise?) From there you get him interested in games like Jade Empire and Kotor; and then it's a small step to Mass Effect and Dragon Age.
When I started GMing - more than twenty years ago now - I picked up with gamers who were used to very by the book DnD; where story was the flavor that gave your fights purpose. But through gradual steps I turned those people into serious role players who can spend entire sessions arguing philosophy with their characters. (Had some great sessions in Planescape where they've done just that; not to mention the sessions where they've talked their way through encounters with Pit Fiends by wit and bravado alone.)
If the guy has potential, get him to give one of these games a try; if he refuses and is still rude and condescending then find someone else at work - a bibliophile perhaps - with whom you'll have more in common.
Has anything like that ever been done?
Deus Ex: Human Revolution. If you make the right dialogue choices, you can convince the main villain to help stop something he put in motion and effectively nullify the final boss fight (it's still there, but it takes like 5 seconds).
Yeah, the persuasion sequences were really well done in that game - if you haven't already played it you should (It's a stealth based RPG, fyi).
If a friend of mine doesn't like the things that I like, I don't try to explain why I like or why they should like it, I just let them like what they like and I like what I like. It's more likely that if they see you playing the thing that you like without pushing them to like the thing you like, they may try and like the thing they didn't like before, until you both like it. In all likelihood you don't like it when they try to make you like the things that they like, so by not pushing the things you like on people you like, they won't try to make you like the things they like.
Like.
Eh, it's a big world with a lot of different people and tastes in it.
I'm ok with people not liking the genre.
What I'm less ok with are people who "claim" to be fans, yet spend the whole time bagging the crap out of a game they've sunk 100's of hours in.
Those people, drive me nuts.
Does it frustrate you as much as me? I have a gamer friend who just can't fathom the interactive story that DA is and thinks it has too many cut scenes. He also thinks the stories in CoD are deep (I wish I was kidding). He just doesn't consider it a "game" unless it's continuous fighting and action.
It's so hard to discuss without being insulting.
Did you tell him you can create a female character and have lesbian sex?
Did you tell him you can create a female character and have lesbian sex?
This lol...
On a side note what exactly is a cro-magnon gamer?
People like different things. You couldn't pay me to play games like CoD but I understand that not everyone looks for the same elements in a game (or show or movie or book, etc...).
Does it frustrate you as much as me? I have a gamer friend who just can't fathom the interactive story that DA is and thinks it has too many cut scenes. He also thinks the stories in CoD are deep (I wish I was kidding). He just doesn't consider it a "game" unless it's continuous fighting and action.
It's so hard to discuss without being insulting.
I find it very hard to fathom CoD/BF players playing it for the story 
It may be just me but when I play FPS, I only want to shoot people.
Planescape:Torment
"PS:T" was the best example of this ever done in a game; where you could avoid combat and change the nature of a mission (or a man) merely through dialogue, but it isn't the only. In the "Fallout" series you are able to talk your way past several battles, including the end boss fights, if your conversation skills are high enough. In "Kotor 2" you can talk your way past the penultimate boss fight, though I believe in that case you have to do a little combat first. In fact in both Kotor games there were instances where you could avoid combat by choosing dialogue options instead; this occurs multiple times in side missions. I believe there's a case of this in "Jade Empire" (another Bioware game) as well. Speaking of which, there are a few side missions in the Mass Effect series where you can talk your way past fights.
But for boss fights, the only games that come to my head immediately are "Planescape: Torment", "Fallout 3/New Vegas" (both) and the aforementioned "Deus Ex". (You are able to try this in Mass Effect 1, but it only half works.)
Speaking of PS:T, I can fairly guarantee the new "Torment" game, set in Numenera, will allow for this as well; considering it has many of the same people working on it.
Does it frustrate you as much as me? I have a gamer friend who just can't fathom the interactive story that DA is and thinks it has too many cut scenes. He also thinks the stories in CoD are deep (I wish I was kidding). He just doesn't consider it a "game" unless it's continuous fighting and action.
It's so hard to discuss without being insulting.
I usually just avoid the subject with people like this. You're never going to explain to them how elves and swords are awesome.
My best friend of almost 18 years is not a gamer, and I still adore him. I guess after a point you stop caring about little things about what kind of game you play and worry more about enjoying the people you're with.
My husband and I don't play much of the same games. He likes stuff like Kerball Space Program, the Batman Arkham series, Starcraft, Candy Crush and Wolfenstein (the newest one and it's awesome.) I've always been more of a RPG/JRPG nut; while I've definitely played and beat the crap out of the God of War series, I'm more of a Final Fantasy/BioWare fan. We enjoy playing Diablo 3 together and we used to play MMOs together. However, he's just not into the Dragon Age games. He's not a fan of the playstyle more than anything else.
And you know what? It doesn't matter. He talks about his progress in the new Alien game while I chat about dragons in mine. We're both having fun sharing our love of pixels. That's all that should count.
You and your friend like destroying pixels together. He likes his in the shape of a gun and human enemies; you prefer yours in the shape of a sword/staff/bow and monstrous enemies. Life's too short to fight over what genre you like. As long as you're both having fun, who cares?
You guys are just wonderful, wish I would met people like you in real life who enjoy RPG as I do. 100% of my collegues are speaking about work (even during break) and pretend to be the super serious types, occasionally they speak about modern art and things like this. Posh people are so annoying tbh
My gf instead while not liking videogames, respect my passion for them but on the other hand sometimes she teases me because of it. It is true though that in my country videogames are still perceived as a childlish thing, wished I lived in the US.
You guys are just wonderful, wish I would met people like you in real life who enjoy RPG as I do. 100% of my collegues are speaking about work (even during break) and pretend to be the super serious types, occasionally they speak about modern art and things like this. Posh people are so annoying tbh
My gf instead while not liking videogames, respect my passion for them but on the other hand sometimes she teases me because of it. It is true though that in my country videogames are still perceived as a childlish thing, wished I lived in the US.
No you don't. All people here care about is football and being politically correct. The colleges brainwash people into being socialist cowards while our military carpet bombs the middle east, all in the name of profit. Speaking of profit, our for profit prison system boasts the world's largest prison populatin. Healthcare is a joke, our infrastructure is abysmal, and it's all but impossible to find a decent paying job. This is the most corrupt, out of control Government probably since the Roman Empire, but as long as people have their bumper stickers and hot dogs they consider themselves good patriotic mericans.
The past Bioware games were hard to get your head around. They were not what you would call games, more like experiences. I know after being told to buy Mass effect, I took it on faith, and didn't like it at first, mainly because it didn't fit into my box as a game. But boy, after a a few hours I was hooked.
But I think it's quite easy to describe DAI to people because it's very much like many other mainstream games.
I'm in the opposite camp.
If a last boss fight can be fought with a long and complex conversation that makes sense, in which wrong options in conversation can mean the transition to combat - but the right options can lead to a peaceful resolution - then I consider that much more intense and fun than actual combat. Cinematics are enjoyable. Combat IS fun, but the "combat is the only resolution" is so unoriginal.
Unfortunately games do not aim to please the intellectual individual, but the easily-entertained teenager or adrenaline junkie gamer. The same kind that finds car-chases in movies entertaining and not boring.
*raises hand*(because who doesn't like at least part of the Diablo franchise?)
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