All these people saying the F word is an old word are missing the point. Yes, in the real world, it's got history. In Dragon Age it has no history.
In Dragon Age, either no word has history, because nobody speaks English; or every word has history, because whatever language they speak is translated for the convenience of the player into English.
This is ridiculous. Using this logic "whatever word means the F word" was still never said before because it still never appeared in previous games, and thus it still has no history in Dragon Age.
I had no problem with this. Boshtet was a word that didn't translate well into English, so it garbled the translator, and came out in quarian.
Was the F word even uttered in Origins or DA2 at all? I don't really remember.
Maybe a couple times in DA2 but I'm pretty sure not in DA:O.
It was not. And sh*t was never once said in DAO, but got quite a few drops in DA2.
Here's the thing, there's a certain progression to what's alright in games of a certain genre. At the time DAO came out, Bioware probably felt that they couldn't get away with f*ck being said in their game for the same reason they felt they couldn't get away with sex scenes without bras; it's a fantasy game, and regardless of the M rating on the box, there's a cultural perception that fantasy games are for younger audiences.
In the time since, game of thrones and other such series have been helping to break down that barrier. But just because Bioware didn't have the confidence to include swearing or nudity in the first game in the series doesn't mean that those elements have no place in the setting.
Besides, the following exchange is one of the best lines in the game;
Inquisitor: But what can one Grey Warden do?
Blackwall: Save the f*cking world, if pressed.
This is ridiculous. Using this logic "whatever word means the F word" was still never said before because it still never appeared in previous games, and thus it still has no history in Dragon Age.
It was not. And sh*t was never once said in DAO, but got quite a few drops in DA2.
Here's the thing, there's a certain progression to what's alright in games of a certain genre. At the time DAO came out, Bioware probably felt that they couldn't get away with f*ck being said in their game for the same reason they felt they couldn't get away with sex scenes without bras; it's a fantasy game, and regardless of the M rating on the box, there's a cultural perception that fantasy games are for younger audiences.
In the time since, game of thrones and other such series have been helping to break down that barrier. But just because Bioware didn't have the confidence to include swearing or nudity in the first game in the series doesn't mean that those elements have no place in the setting.
If you want to take the world-consistency approach, then the DA universe has seen much more outrageous violations of consistency than an F-word here or there.
I don't approve of those either, but this topic was specifically about the sudden vulgarity. I liked someone else's post about "bloody legacy" for the double entendre as we already know Dorian is witty, and 'bloody' and other British swears fit more with the culture we've been exposed to so far. I know there's nothing to be done about it; Dragon Age is an AAA game and thus they have to be 'edgy' and 'with it' and vulgarity is a quick way to connect with the younger target market, but they could have been more consistent/creative, IMO.
I don't approve of those either, but this topic was specifically about the sudden vulgarity. I liked someone else's post about "bloody legacy" for the double entendre as we already know Dorian is witty, and 'bloody' and other British swears fit more with the culture we've been exposed to so far. I know there's nothing to be done about it; Dragon Age is an AAA game and thus they have to be 'edgy' and 'with it' and vulgarity is a quick way to connect with the younger target market,
I don't know, I'm just more in favor of the progression of the genre rather than it's stagnation in the name of an internal consistency that already doesn't exist.
I always found it silly that ME included made-up words like boshtet when there was no in-game reason for it. Either everyone in the galaxy speaks English, in which case boshtet is just a nonsense word; or 22nd century tech can magically translate alien languages into English, in which case it should also have had no trouble with this word; or there's a narrative fiction that people speak using their own languages which are only translated into English for the convenience of the player, in which case again there's no reason not to translate this one word as well.
I believe they said the alien terms in Mass Effect stay as alien terms because there is no equivalent word in the human languages, thus the translator in our omni-tool can't translate it into something Shepard would know. Shepard can even ask what a few of the terms mean across the trilogy.
I think a better example would be how no one said f*ck in the first Mass Effect and Jack says it times beyond counting in ME2.
Same issue, really. Didn't think they could get away with it in a sci-fi game in the first one, decided for a little more boldness in the second.
I think a better example would be how no one said f*ck in the first Mass Effect and Jack says it times beyond counting in ME2.
Same issue, really. Didn't think they could get away with it in a sci-fi game in the first one, decided for a little more boldness in the second.
Yeah, I hate how drastically the language between the two games changed. Even the characters who never swore before since they were in Mass Effect 1 suddenly had potty mouths.
Yeah, I hate how drastically the language between the two games changed. Even the characters who never swore before since they were in Mass Effect 1 suddenly had potty mouths.
Yea, I could not possibly disagree with you more. It's not jarring to me, it's refreshing.
I believe they said the alien terms in Mass Effect stay as alien terms because there is no equivalent word in the human languages, thus the translator in our omni-tool can't translate it into something Shepard would know. Shepard can even ask what a few of the terms mean across the trilogy.
Yea, I could not possibly disagree with you more. It's not jarring to me, it's refreshing.
That's fine, you can like what you want. Though refreshing is a game that doesn't have swear words in it. It's one of the reasons I like the earlier games since it made them unique, even if in a minor way. So when they decided to add swears, they lost that part of their uniqueness.
Look, I don't really care what fancy in-game handwave they use to rationalise the existence of a made-up word. The point is that said made-up word is unnecessary. If it had never existed, the game would not have been diminished a single iota.
I disagree. Having all races speak nothing but the language the game is set to does diminish because it makes the races less unique. To bring it back to Dragon Age, imagine if the Qunari ever spoke in the same language as everyone else and never use any Qunlat terms. They would lose part of the alien feel that Bioware is going for with them.
I disagree. Having all races speak nothing but the language the game is set to does diminish because it makes the races less unique.
To bring it back to Dragon Age, imagine if the Qunari ever spoke in the same language as everyone else and never use any Qunlat terms. They would lose part of the alien feel that Bioware is going for with them.
That's fine, you can like what you want. Though refreshing is a game that doesn't have swear words in it. It's one of the reasons I like the earlier games since it made them unique, even if in a minor way. So when they decided to add swears, they lost that part of their uniqueness.
At the time I don't think there was anything unique about a fantasy or sci fi game not including swearing. That's changed since then, just with the progression of the times, but there's nothing unique or admirable about staying firmly rooted in the past and sticking in the SciFi/Fantasy age ghetto.
The quarians are plenty unique even without that single artificial word. Seriously, I can't think of a race in any major science fiction setting that's like them. And even if there were, a single word wouldn't do squat to differentiate them.
They do speak in the same language as everyone else -- at least the ones that we interact with do.
But why make them less unique?
They had more than just one term though. They had a few.
And they throw in the occasional Qunlat word or phrase. You're saying they shouldn't do that.
At the time I don't think there was anything unique about a fantasy or sci fi game not including swearing. That's changed since then, just with the progression of the times, but there's nothing unique or admirable about staying firmly rooted in the past and sticking in the SciFi/Fantasy age ghetto.
So not wanting swear words is sticking in a ghetto now?
But why make them less unique?
They had more than just one term though. They had a few.
And they throw in the occasional Qunlat word or phrase. You're saying they shouldn't do that.
So not wanting swear words is sticking in a ghetto now?
Yea, pretty much.
But why make them less unique?
They had more than just one term though. They had a few.
And they throw in the occasional Qunlat word or phrase. You're saying they shouldn't do that.
Yea, pretty much.
And with that, I'm done talking to you about this since you are now being borderline insulting to those who have different views than you.
To avoid the jarring artificiality of an unnecessary made-up word.
Which nobody remembers, and thus, cannot have been that significant.
No, I'm saying that if down-to-earth, understandable language is called for, then down-to-earth, understandable language should be used.
You're contradicting yourself. You don't like how the Quarians use made up words, but have no problem with the Qunari doing the same thing. You either have to approve both or disapprove both. You can't pick and choose.
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Getting pounded by a seven foot tall four foot wide and probably 13inch long Qunari is fine.
But the moment someone says f*** everybody loses their minds.
Look, I'm not saying that everyone in the game should swear as much as Jack does. By that same token, not everyone in the game should be as proper as, say, Josephine.
If the game exists solely at either extreme it comes off as forced and artificial. Everyone cussing with every other word is trying too hard to be edgy. No one doing it at all is bending over backwards for the censors.
You're contradicting yourself. You don't like how the Quarians use made up words,
but have no problem with the Qunari doing the same thing. You either have to approve both or disapprove both. You can't pick and choose.
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