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[tobynator89]

The chantry has always seemed to be the most level headed organization in thedas, not counting it's more extreme outliers in the templars and mage circles, with less fire and brimstone and more genuine devotion to it's ideology. It's not perfect but it is in essence what keeps andrastian thedas together. For most of it's history it has been uniting rather than dividing.

[ConquererJim]

When I completed the game I didn't feel that my Inquisition was tied down to any other faction. Leliana is now the Divine but I'm still the Inquisitor. I MADE the Chantry what it is now. If anything, the Chantry is my political branch.

[Xilizhra]

The chantry has always seemed to be the most level headed organization in thedas, not counting it's more extreme outliers in the templars and mage circles, with less fire and brimstone and more genuine devotion to it's ideology. It's not perfect but it is in essence what keeps andrastian thedas together. For most of it's history it has been uniting rather than dividing.

And all it takes is one little push for it to become obstructionist, reactionary and flailing.

[Br3admax]

Did you just call their entire leadership and infrastructure down to petty clerics blowing up and leaving a giant hole in the sky a little push?

[Xilizhra]

Did you just call their entire leadership and infrastructure down to petty clerics blowing up and leaving a giant hole in the sky a little push?

Yes, it was ironic.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Well, the candidates make sense basically because the Inquisition is the only thing of importance in sourthern Thedas.

 

Not sure how you Role-play/made your decisions in the game, but to me it felt perfectly fine for the Chantry to come looking for someone close to me, seeing as the figure of the Inquisitor was becoming extremely popular.

 

And so i gave them unhardned Leliana, since i wanted to make the chantry fail as much as i could, mission was acomplished

 

But i agree with what was said, southern thedas felt really pathetic, i wish we had a third opposing faction, maybe some strong splint off faction of orlay?

[Andres Hendrix]

What Thedas needs is secular humanism, or peopleism I guess lol. They need to stop living for a god or gods (meaning the ones from the Elvish myths) that they will never prove exist, and start living for each other. As Solas said "I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people."

[Xilizhra]

It doesn't really matter. I just don't like this level of change. Or the agent of change (me and you lol).

 

I kind of had hopes it'd never get this bad. Like a month before launch, I remember Sheryl Chee coming into a thread and defending the Chantry against some hater. But what they've implemented in-game is exactly what that hater would be jumping for joy for.

What did Sheryl say?

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

What Thedas needs is secular humanism, or peopleism I guess lol. They need to stop living for a god or gods that they will never prove exist, and start living for each other. As Solas said "I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people."

 

Ha!

 

Having unhardned Leliana as Divine is the first step for that to happen

[tobynator89]

What Thedas needs is secular humanism, or peopleism I guess lol. They need to stop living for a god or gods that they will never prove exist, and start living for each other. As Solas said "I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people."

 

Never happening. When you can actually go and get a look at the supposed seat of god you have a waaay more solid argument than most real-life religions.

 

A much more likely outcome is schisms as seen in this game similar to that of the european reformations with greater emphasis of personal faith and harsh criticizm against the central organization.

[Xilizhra]

Never happening. When you can actually go and get a look at the supposed seat of god you have a waaay more solid argument than most real-life religions.

And then you realize that the seat is both empty and filled with blight.

[Andres Hendrix]

Ha!

 

Having unhardned Leliana as Divine is the first step for that to happen

In my opinion her piety mixed with that sort of bloody authoritarianism would seem the opposite of secular humanism. lol

[Xilizhra]

I can't recall the details tbh. It was brief. She doesn't post much, so it might be easy to dig up her post history.

The search function didn't uncover anything.

[Nightdragon8]

I guess Mother Giselle's too minor a figure, unfortunately

sadly I wanted her to be the Divine, had her own views treated Mages like normal people and even helped people understand that not all magic is blow up burn burn burn.

 

And her views of the Inquistor are reasonable. and even teh whole "Magic should surve man not rule" was a great way to think about it... seriously I felt making Cass or Lileana the divine to be honestly bad, Cass not so much she has at least decent beliefs, Lilana while I understand but its just asking for serious trouble.

 

Mother Giselle still would have been better than those 2,

[frylock23]

I don't think that the Chantry needs someone who spent all their time as a cleric. All it needs as a Divine is someone of great faith. Mother Giselle would have been ideal for that, but both Cass and Leliana also display great personal faith too from different perspectives. Vivienne is the only one who doesn't display faith so much as a need to adhere to tradition and power.

[Br3admax]

Yes, it was ironic.

Sarcasm is to verbal irony as spam is to prime rib. Especially over the internet. 

[tobynator89]

And then you realize that the seat is both empty and filled with blight.

Which serves as a perfect moral lesson seeing as we know what caused it (murder of andraste). It's christ again except we can say: See that? thats like that cause we messed up and and now we have to atone by living of the tenets stemming from the one that the maker loved. It's just too potent a symbol for it to ever become irrelevant.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

In my opinion her piety mixed with that sort of bloody authoritarianism would seem the opposite of secular humanism. lol

 

You need to see her unhardned ending then!

 

She makes the Chantry welcome all races and she allows dissent clergy to make their own cults, basically creating "Protestant Chantry"

 

Its not like she declares the Chantry a secular entity, but she allows freedom of religion (at least doesnt enforces it).

 

It is also said her changes forever fractured the Chantry we know.

[Br3admax]

Which serves as a perfect moral lesson seeing as we know what caused it (murder of andraste). It's christ again except we can say: See that? thats like that cause we messed up and and now we have to atone by living of the tenets stemming from the one that the maker loved. It's just too potent a symbol for it to ever become irrelevant.

The Blight began centuries before Andraste was even born, tbh. The Blight was created by something else, and the magister's stumbled upon it. However, the fact that an seat exists, means that something must rule from it. 

[Xilizhra]

Which serves as a perfect moral lesson seeing as we know what caused it (murder of andraste). It's christ again except we can say: See that? thats like that cause we messed up and and now we have to atone by living of the tenets stemming from the one that the maker loved. It's just too potent a symbol for it to ever become irrelevant.

Er, it was empty and filled with blight long before Andraste was even born.

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Which serves as a perfect moral lesson seeing as we know what caused it (murder of andraste). It's christ again except we can say: See that? thats like that cause we messed up and and now we have to atone by living of the tenets stemming from the one that the maker loved. It's just too potent a symbol for it to ever become irrelevant.

 

I know its wishful thinking and probably never going to happen, but i wish we could dwelve deeper into that.

 

I mean, i loved that Dialogue with Morrigan where she asks "Would you open the Black City?" and my reply was "YES!"

 

I mean, if one manages to cleanse it and turn it back into what it was during ancient elven times, the whole "seat of the Maker" myth would start to wane.

[tobynator89]

Er, it was empty and filled with blight long before Andraste was even born.

 

I am well aware and it really is irrelevant. The point is Andraste was the one who brought the maker back the same way that christ redeemed humanity. It's a very potent symbol coupled with specific moral lessons.