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[raging_monkey]

As a greek polytheist I am a strong supporter of pluralism. If someone goes to another god's temple, what bussiness is it of me as long as he is not trying to stop me from worship. I believe in many gods and goddesses, so if someone worships another one I don't see that as wrong; even if I myself do not worship that particular god or goddess. What I do not like is when I am told that what I worship is 'wrong' or not real. 
 
Anyways speaking of secularism, If a new elven kingdom arose in modern thedas. How would they handle religion? Most city elves tend to be andrastians to some degree or another, while the dalish follow the elven gods; though when one considers the revelations of the elven gods would they still be worshiped. Maybe they would stick with how the dalish view the gods, despite what the truth was?

most dalish would probs deny it and do their whole "elfy"thing as sera puts it

[LOLandStuff]

They'll just deny it and throw the blame at humans.

[raging_monkey]

They'll just deny it and throw the blame at humans.

funny considering both ****ed up.... morons

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

funny considering both ****ed up.... morons

 

Yup, people will be dumb, no matter if your human, elf, dwarf, qunari, darkspawn or even demon/spirit.

[LobselVith8]

As a greek polytheist I am a strong supporter of pluralism. If someone goes to another god's temple, what bussiness is it of me as long as he is not trying to stop me from worship. I believe in many gods and goddesses, so if someone worships another one I don't see that as wrong; even if I myself do not worship that particular god or goddess. What I do not like is when I am told that what I worship is 'wrong' or not real. 

 

Anyways speaking of secularism, If a new elven kingdom arose in modern thedas. How would they handle religion? Most city elves tend to be andrastians to some degree or another, while the dalish follow the elven gods; though when one considers the revelations of the elven gods would they still be worshiped. Maybe they would stick with how the dalish view the gods, despite what the truth was? 

 

Well, we have an Andrastian elf in Skyhold who has doubts about their faith after the temple of Mythal, so it's possible some may waiver about the religion after finding out that the elven gods were apparently real. I'm not certain how an actual elven kingdom would work, however. I suppose it would depend on whether or not it's established by Andrastian or Dalish elves, or even the converts to the Qun. Too many factors to say with any certainty.

[rpgfan321]

I am looking forward to the reactions if the revelation of Temple of Mythal comes to light for everyone. This would definitely add fuel to the fire about mages and on elves, wouldn't it? 

[Trickshaw]

There's a better candidate than all three combined living in my castle. My ass all the good candidates are dead. 

 

If you're referring to Giselle,

 

A.) She doesn't have the political clout and...

B.) Apparently she's the ONLY homophobe left in all of Thedas.

[raging_monkey]

I am looking forward to the reactions if the revelation of Temple of Mythal comes to light for everyone. This would definitely add fuel to the fire about mages and on elves, wouldn't it?

go to elf thread... it already has... even the mage threads are losing what clout the had

[Cat Fancy]

If you're referring to Giselle,

 

A.) She doesn't have the political clout and...

B.) Apparently she's the ONLY homophobe left in all of Thedas.

She doesn't object to Dorian or his relationship with the Inquisitor out of homophobia, but because he's a mage from Tevinter.

 

Also, there are plenty of homophobes in Thedas.

[raging_monkey]

She doesn't object to Dorian or his relationship with the Inquisitor out of homophobia, but because he's a mage from Tevinter.
 
Also, there are plenty of homophobes in Thedas.

gamlen being one apparently

[SgtSteel91]

I am looking forward to the reactions if the revelation of Temple of Mythal comes to light for everyone. This would definitely add fuel to the fire about mages and on elves, wouldn't it? 

 

I'd agree about the Elves, but what was damning to Mages from the Temple ?

[raging_monkey]

I'd agree about the Elves, but what was damning to Mages from the Temple ?

it involved magic and anchient elves had used magic to sustain themselves.

[herkles]

Well, we have an Andrastian elf in Skyhold who has doubts about their faith after the temple of Mythal, so it's possible some may waiver about the religion after finding out that the elven gods were apparently real. I'm not certain how an actual elven kingdom would work, however. I suppose it would depend on whether or not it's established by Andrastian or Dalish elves, or even the converts to the Qun. Too many factors to say with any certainty.

true. though the thing is any elven kingdom that encourages the elves to come 'home' and lets say it was in Arlathan, then it would have to deal with the fact that you have 2 faiths: andrastian and dalish. The city elves may convert to the dalish due to the revelations at the temple of Mythral, or not because they are devoted.

 

It could even create another chantry, an elven one, there already are passages in the chant of light of Sharitan and Andraste, perhaps this arlathan chantry interprets that as proof andraste was not human but elven whose crusade was to free the people from the bonds of Tevinter slavery. Mafarath was a beloved general whom betrayed her to tevinter. they could go either way on the elven gods. Viewing them as angelic beings who serve the Maker to guide the elven people or demons whom lead us astray. 

 

Or perhaps instead the elven faith becomes the main faith: with temples to Mythal, Elgar'narn, and so on. Maybe even temples dedicated to Fen'harel and his consort Lavellan As ages passed since the first arlathan kingdom, they could keep the markings as religious identification or perhaps only priests and priestess would wear them in this new kingdom. So instead of singing the chantry songs they could be singing the songs of the elven gods.  This would also make this new arlathan the only polytheist kingdom currently in thedas if this occured.

 

Not sure which one is more interesting as they are both intriguing ideas.

[SgtSteel91]

it involved magic and anchient elves had used magic to sustain themselves.

 

What, were they using blood sacrifices to make themselves immortal?

[Sully13]

Why am i pissed i cant vote in Dagna or Morrigan?

[raging_monkey]

What, were they using blood sacrifices to make themselves immortal?

honestly it was vague to me but i could literally smell the magic in that place it didnt look/feel "natrual" and im promage and on 360. Theres a lot of wierd stuff going on

[LobselVith8]

true. though the thing is any elven kingdom that encourages the elves to come 'home' and lets say it was in Arlathan, then it would have to deal with the fact that you have 2 faiths: andrastian and dalish. The city elves may convert to the dalish due to the revelations at the temple of Mythral, or not because they are devoted.

 

What about the Qunari elves? That would make three faiths.

 

It could even create another chantry, an elven one, there already are passages in the chant of light of Sharitan and Andraste, perhaps this arlathan chantry interprets that as proof andraste was not human but elven whose crusade was to free the people from the bonds of Tevinter slavery. Mafarath was a beloved general whom betrayed her to tevinter. they could go either way on the elven gods. Viewing them as angelic beings who serve the Maker to guide the elven people or demons whom lead us astray.

 

It's possible Leliana as Divine might rectify that, since she is already making some drastic changes to the institution, particularly in allowing non-humans to join the priesthood. Leliana clearly cares about the elves; it's why she proposes supporting Briala to help the elves of Orlais.

 

Or perhaps instead the elven faith becomes the main faith: with temples to Mythal, Elgar'narn, and so on. Maybe even temples dedicated to Fen'harel and his consort Lavellan As ages passed since the first arlathan kingdom, they could keep the markings as religious identification or perhaps only priests and priestess would wear them in this new kingdom. So instead of singing the chantry songs they could be singing the songs of the elven gods.  This would also make this new arlathan the only polytheist kingdom currently in thedas if this occured.

 

Not sure which one is more interesting as they are both intriguing ideas.

 

Wouldn't Skyhold potentially become a beacon for the Dalish under the rule of an elven Inquisitor, a place where they can follow the faith of the Creators safely? And if you consider the mage (or templar) tower becomes empty once the respective faction leaves, that leaves an entire tower where the clans of the People can reside. Not quite what you were proposing, but it could be a beginning.

[Hellion Rex]

I honestly would have rather it gone immediately to Giselle, but I think I'd rather let Leliana become Victoria, while Cass goes to reform the Seekers.

[Sully13]

^

This dut id have happaly shoved Sandil on the throne. 

[SgtSteel91]

I honestly would have rather it gone immediately to Giselle, but I think I'd rather let Leliana become Victoria, while Cass goes to reform the Seekers.

 

While talking with Giselle I thought at first we would get the option to support her or Chancellor Rodrick, who would get enough support to be considered, for Divine

[herkles]

What about the Qunari elves? That would make three faiths.

Ah, yeah, but if they are converts to the Qun they may not wish to leave since the Qun is both a religion and a government.  Though I do think some of the Qun's ideas could be mendable to either idea and mix in with them.

 

 

It's possible Leliana as Divine might rectify that, since she is already making some drastic changes to the institution, particularly in allowing non-humans to join the priesthood. Leliana clearly cares about the elves; it's why she proposes supporting Briala to help the elves of Orlais.

Not quite the same thing. We first must keep in mind that it is possible that none of these changes even stick as the humans might push back against what Lelianna proposes. 

 

The 'Arlathan' chantry idea would re-interpet that Andraste wasn't human at all but elven with Sharitan as her husband. Which is kind of different then how the current 2 chantries view it. 

 

 

Wouldn't Skyhold potentially become a beacon for the Dalish under the rule of an elven Inquisitor, a place where they can follow the faith of the Creators safely? And if you consider the mage (or templar) tower becomes empty once the respective faction leaves, that leaves an entire tower where the clans of the People can reside. Not quite what you were proposing, but it could be a beginning.

true it could be a begining, definitely. 

 

[Andreas Amell]

All organizations with a hierachy is by definition extremely political entities.

And I'm glad that Bioware expressed this in Dragon Age. I hated Roderick at first because I thought he was a political hack. But he was also a man of faith who believed in the goodness of the Chantry.

 

When I started playing I wanted to destroy the Chantry because I do believe there is no Maker. I think Andraste was just high on lyrium when she had her revelations. But I realized the influential power of the Chantry and the faith were necessary to get support. Then Leliana and Cassandra became candidates and I realized I needed them on my good side to be sure they could do something better for the Chantry.

 

This reminds of Persian History, when Darius overthrew the tyrannical king of Persia. When he and his cohorts debated the future of the political system they stuck with the monarchy because they didn't want to risk bringing further chaos in reforms. To them the problem wasn't the system but who was leading the system. With so much change happening in the game, I didn't feel I could pursue my agenda of destroying a false religion. Even Varric was revealed to be an Adrastian.

[Willowhugger]

What Thedas needs is secular humanism, or peopleism I guess lol. They need to stop living for a god or gods (meaning the ones from the Elvish myths) that they will never prove exist, and start living for each other. As Solas said "I have people, Seeker. The greatest triumphs and tragedies this world has known can all be traced to people."

 

I'm all for religion, personally, as history has shown you can screw up living for people every bit as much as you can for God.

 

I'm just with Cassandra, though, that the Chantry has become a parody of itself.

 

Probably because it's in Orlais.

I agree, though, Leliana and Cassandra are the only possible candidates (along with Vivienne) because the Chantry has realized they have NO authority left. With no Templars, no noble support, and the public looking to the Inquisitor they need a hero STAT or the whole Chantry will go the way of the Reformation WITHOUT a counter reformation to oppose it.