Story-wise, who's the best Warrior/Mage/Rogue in the party? (Possible Spoilers)
#1
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:42
For Warrior I think it'd be Cassandra. She mentioned training for years in various martial arts and her seeker abilities allow her Templar attributes without any of the lyrium drawbacks, along with the 'setting blood on fire' technique she never uses. Iron Bull is the midway and Blackwall is likely last due to the lack of supernatural assistance barring against Darkspawn.
For Rogue I'm going with Cole. While Varric has years of fighting at Hawke's side, Cole is literally a supernatural Assassin that (in cutscenes) has shown being capable of teleportation, memory erasure, invisibility etc etc. Varric is midway due to his crossbow and years of experience in Kirkwall with Sera as last due to her lack of proper training.
Mage is hard, but I'd have to go with Vivienne. Solas spent most of his life as a nomad exploring fade ruins and while Dorian is a prodigy his specialization is much less useful compared to Vivienne's Knight Enchanter, which was based on the lost Arcane Warrior class.
#2
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:44
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Toss up between Cass and Blackwall for your tank. Blackwall is better as pure tank, but Cass can do some of that and other support with the Temp abilities. And fight demons better. She can shine just as much as a dps'er as well, if you want.
Sera is the best rogue imo. Or a player controlled rogue.
edit: Bah, you said storywise. I agree on Cass then. I don't know about any of the rogues. None of them fit any more than the other. Solas and Vivienne both bring interesting things to the events at hand.
#3
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 01:55
I think we all should say Cassandra. I mean come on, she fought dragons. D R A G O N S. Cole can make himself invisible and then strike the target from behind. Solas is my pick for the mages, because he knows his magic.
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#4
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:08
For Warrior I'd say Cassandra as well. She's already an experienced fighter, though she still spends most of her free time in the training yard, and she has special Seeker abilities that give her an edge over Iron Bull and Blackwall. She didn't become the Hero of Orlais is her late teens/early 20s by accident. It's less clear-cut between Blackwall and Iron Bull. I think Blackwall is older, so he'd have more experience, but Iron Bull obviously has the advantage in size/strength.
For Rogue I'd also go with Cole, who's a literal supernatural entity. Then Varric, because he has an awesome repeating crossbow, he's almost twice Sera's age, and went through a lot of tough fights with Hawke in Kirkwall.
For Mage I'd say they're all pretty much equals now, and I love that they're bickering about their respective talent in banter (Vivienne front-loads her barriers, Solas set his coat-tails on fire etc.), but ultimately I'd go with Solas.
#5
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:09
Warrior - Cassandra, for the reasons others have discussed.
Mage - I'll go with Vivienne.
Rogue - I'll say that Varric's a better ranged fighter than Sera, if only because Bianca is supposed to be so exceptional and useful. (storywise, if not during gameplay) OTOH, Cole has actual super-powers neither of them do, so I would give him the edge over Varric.
#6
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:13
Personally it is very diffcult to make a desicion storywise, cause simply put gameplay mechanics raely support it. So I'll just give my overall impressions below, and make of it what you will.
Warriors: Very Balanced, I personally have no real favourite.
Blackwall - Maxed out Champion spec means he is a the best Tank, bar none. I have him survive an entire battle with a dragon on hard without a single barrier. Nigh unkillable, but personally no other use as there is no point investing DPS as it makes no sense for his spec.
Cass - Very good as Tank as well, but the Templar Spec allows quite good CC and Support. She is also a boon @ Rifts, cause Templar spec fully maxed + weapon with demon slaying rune means even the later game rifts that spawn multiple pride demons is something you laugh at.
Bull - The reaver class potential for DPS is scary ****. My only problem is that while Bull is awesome, he does need to be micromanged sometimes. But spamming Dragon Rage, holy ****. DPS central.
Rogue: Unbalanced, horribly so.
Sera - Best by far, and by the time you have her spec unlocked to full the only reason you would have Varric over her is personal bias (which considering it's Sera, that aint hard to dispute).
Varric - Decent and despite my early concers, his spec is functional. But Sera will always outstip him as ranged DPS.
Cole - Fun for banter and great DPS, but the only way to have him is to control Cole yourself, no way around it. The AI in game has rarely failed me, bur holy hell, for 2 dagger rogue it's useless.
Mage: Urgh, one way OP, the other two balance.
Vivi - I love Vivi, my fave mage character in game, but my god she breaks the game. If i wanted to I could just let her do her stuff and solo the game for me. Now days for challenge I simply dont pick her and will probably never pick the spec in my mage playthrough either. But if you wanna beat the game easily or hunt dragons while laughing at them, use her.
Dorian - Love, love, love the his spec. CC + Support and mass murder (walking bomb is teh awesome), so he tends to be my go to guy.
Solas - Sigh, I'll be honest, I haven't really taken to Solas like most of the fandom has. So I don't use him much. But if you do max out his spec, I personally do feel he works best as a walking nuclear weapon. Just give him the higher level elementals watch him wreck ****. Sadly, I don't like those type of mage, so another mark againts him but hey, might work for you.
So yeah, personal opinions and all of course.
#7
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:16
#8
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:27
Cassandra, Varric, Solas were my go-to team for critical path content.
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#9
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:28
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What's wrong with AI Cole? His DPS is insane and if you give him daggers that allow guard per hit he does decently well even of he's squishy.
DW rogues are better in the hands of the player imo. Require more tactics and positioning. And squishy.
If you're on relatively easy difficulty though, the point is moot.
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#10
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:31
What's wrong with AI Cole? His DPS is insane and if you give him daggers that allow guard per hit he does decently well even of he's squishy.
Really? I tend to have issue whenever facing a AOE two hander, cause when they hit big by god he gets whacked horribly.
I totally trust the AI to help out with my tankers or mages, but I personally feel the AI for DPS based characters aint so spiffy.
That's why I end up controlling him myself, cause then yes, he hits so effing hard.
#11
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 02:34
Story wise - without taking actual gameplay into account?
Party banter with Blackwall and Iron Bull paints Cassandra as the best warrior in the party, with her getting the better of both of them in sparring sessions.
Cole's ability to make people not notice him and forget him would make him the best rogue, though in terms of skill and not special powers it would probably go to Sera.
As far as mages go, it's harder to say. Vivienne's obviously the best, mechanics wise, but mechanics and story aren't the same thing. Honestly, I can't make a pick here, they all seem to be on a level with each other, again going by story and not mechanics.
#12
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:06
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Whoever doesn't pick Solas for mage is kidding themselves. The whole Inquisition adventure was like the time between 'waking up' and 'breakfast' for him.
Warrior is Cassandra. I think she's the most skilled warrior in the IP that isn't a protagonist tied only with a Loghain in his prime.
Rogue is Cole. Dude is a spirit. Weird powers and abilities. No competition.
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#13
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:07
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Warrior is Cassandra. I think she's the most skilled warrior in the IP that isn't a protagonist tied only with a Loghain in his prime.
Interesting. They're both kind of "titled heroes" too, in the way our protagonists are (Hero of River Dane, Hero of Orlais).
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#14
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:12
The most skilled warrior in the IP is the Warden, though. I'm not sure anyone else can claim to be as skilled as Loghain at the age of 17-19ish. Maybe Alistair, but the Warden's more skilled than him, so eh.
Whoever doesn't pick Solas for mage is kidding themselves. The whole Inquisition adventure was like the time between 'waking up' and 'breakfast' for him.
Warrior is Cassandra. I think she's the most skilled warrior in the IP that isn't a protagonist tied only with a Loghain in his prime.
Rogue is Cole. Dude is a spirit. Weird powers and abilities. No competition.
Yeah, probably. Solas shouldn't count sense he's a god and all, though.
#15
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:13
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The most skilled warrior in the IP is the Warden, though. I'm not sure anyone else can claim to be as skilled as Loghain at the age of 17-19ish. Maybe Alistair, but the Warden's more skilled than him, so eh.
Yeah, probably. Solas shouldn't count sense he's a god and all, though.
We're not counting protagonists. If we were the Warden hands down. And yeah I agree on the bit about Solas. But it's kind of lols that people are picking Vivienne over him.
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#16
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:15
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We're not counting protagonists. If we were the Warden hands down. And yeah I agree on the bit about Solas. But it's kind of lols that people are picking Vivienne over him.
Because she's tied to the overall political/social atmosphere. Solas is tied to the this specific story's events. That makes it a tossup to me.
#17
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:16
We're not counting protagonists. If we were the Warden hands down. And yeah I agree on the bit about Solas. But it's kind of lols that people are picking Vivienne over him.
Oh I know, because if we were the obvious answer to every question here would be, "The Inquisitor."
#18
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:16
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Because she's tied to the overall political/social atmosphere. Solas is tied to the this specific story's events. That makes it a tossup to me.
We're talking about lore based power levels not game mechanics. Vivienne is an embryo compared to Solas and he just 'awoke from his slumber'.
#19
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:18
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Oh I know, because if we were the obvious answer to every question here would be, "The Inquisitor."
Depends. Aeducan/Cousland **** all over mundane Cadash/Trevelyan.
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#20
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:18
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We're talking about lore based power levels not game mechanics. Vivienne is an embryo compared to Solas and he just 'awoke from his slumber'.
I'm not talking about game mechanics. It's a tossup to me because of social/political atmosphere, like I said. That's lore. She's invested in Orlais and the Mage/Templar war. Solas is tied to Cory.
#21
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:18
Depends. Aeducan/Cousland **** all over mundane Cadash/Trevelyan.
Ha, I meant the party of this game. The Warden outclasses any DA character since.
#22
Guest_TheDarkKnightReturns_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:19
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I'm not talking about game mechanics. It's a tossup to me because of social/political atmosphere, like I said. That's lore. She's invested in Orlais and the Mage/Templar war. Solas is tied to Cory.
Ah, I see.
#23
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:21
In order:
Warrior -- Cass, Bull, Blackwall
Mage --- Solas (by a freaking landslide), Vivienne and Dorian would be equal in my opinion
Rogue - Cole, Varric, Sera
#24
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:21
#25
Guest_StreetMagic_*
Posté 10 décembre 2014 - 03:24
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Then why the hell is he stuck in the cell during the bad future? Methinks his human Avatar is as squishy as Dorian and Vivienne. Also, how is the human Trevalyan capable of matching the rest? Adaar, Cadash and Lavellan have lives that require working and skill but the Mage Travelyan was just a normal Mage in a light circle while the Non-Mage didn't even get proper Templar training yet. Story-wise how can a warrior Inquisitor match the likes of Cassandra, Iron Bull and Blacwall?
The human wasn't ever necessarily a Templar trainee anyways. It just says in service of the Chantry or the Templars. Two different things.
That said, I don't think they're necessarily badasses. Even Iron Bull makes a comment on that angle. That the leader isn't necessarily the most skilled. Just the one who can make decisions.





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