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[Former_Fiend]

I'm not entirely sure that Solas is as above and beyond as people make him out to be; he may well have been once upon a time, but that's pure speculation. As it stands, there's no indication his current self is just holding back to maintain a cover story or anything of the like. 

[Br3admax]

The human wasn't ever necessarily a Templar trainee anyways. It just says in service of the Chantry or the Templars. Two different things. 

 

That said, I don't think they're necessarily badasses. Even Iron Bull makes a comment on that angle. That the leader isn't necessarily the most skilled. Just the one who can make decisions.

Nobles are taught to fight in Dragon Age. Pretty much all of them from competent families. Anything that can fight and kill Cory's dragon is above and beyond. No question. 

 

Then why the hell is he stuck in the cell during the bad future? Methinks his human Avatar is as squishy as Dorian and Vivienne. Also, how is the human Trevalyan capable of matching the rest? Adaar, Cadash and Lavellan have lives that require working and skill but the Mage Travelyan was just a normal Mage in a light circle while the Non-Mage didn't even get proper Templar training yet. Story-wise how can a warrior Inquisitor match the likes of Cassandra, Iron Bull and Blacwall?

 

Lulz, are you serious? The Mage Trevelyan was likely being groomed for a life of Knight-Enchantership or highest honors. The First Enchanter picked them out of every other mage in the Circle to send to the Conclave. They were described as the "perfect apprentice," and went toe-toe with Corypheus and his dragon. Gameplay mechanics aside, storywise, the Inquisitor outclasses anyone in the party, simply by being a player character. And this one can tear holes into reality. 

 

As to why Solas is stuck in a cell, Corypheus tore into the Black City. He also has the orb, the object storing a lot of Solas power. It's not that hard to imagine. 

[Ryzaki]

Story wise?

 

Warrior - Cassandra

 

Rogue - Cole

 

Mage - Solas

[jellobell]

Solas was weakened by red Lyrium in the bad future. Most of his god powers were probably in that orb, so I'm not surprised he wasn't able to break out. He did manage to keep it together much better than most of the others. Rather disconcertingly chill about the whole thing.

 

What puts Solas over the top, even if he doesn't have the full powers of the Dread Wolf, is his vast experience and his ability to think outside the box. Listening to these banters, it's clear that while Vivienne is methodical, her circle training limits how powerful she can be.

 

 

[Cat Fancy]

As to why Solas is stuck in a cell, Corypheus tore into the Black City. He also has the orb, the object storing a lot of Solas power. It's not that hard to imagine. 

That's what people are talking about when we're questioning how powerful he is. He was, at one point, incredibly powerful, but he doesn't have access to that during the game. If Vivienne were made tranquil, I wouldn't say she would be a better mage than Dorian even if I thought she would have been at one point, and could be again if the Rite of Tranquility were reversed. Once Solas... does whatever to Flemeth, sure, he's probably by far the most powerful again.

[Br3admax]

That's what people are talking about when we're questioning how powerful he is. He was, at one point, incredibly powerful, but he doesn't have access to that during the game. If Vivienne were made tranquil, I wouldn't say she were more powerful than Dorian even if I thought she would have been at one point, and could be again if the Rite of Tranquility were reversed. Once Solas... does whatever to Flemeth, sure, he's probably by far the most powerful again.

Solas is still more powerful than either Vivienne or Dorian, is our point. No one claimed he could solo Thedas. He is able to draw energy directly the Fade, and unlike us, he doesn't need magical hand powers to do it. That make him powerful. Pretty sure the's the only other true rift mage in Thedas. Flemeth and Morrigan, maybe. Morrigan being the biggest maybe.

[Former_Fiend]

Solas is still more powerful than either Vivienne or Dorian, is our point. No one claimed he could solo Thedas. He is able to draw energy directly the Fade, and unlike us, he doesn't need magical hand powers to do it. That make him powerful. Pretty sure the's the only other true rift mage in Thedas. Flemeth and Morrigan, maybe. Morrigan being the biggest maybe.

 

That makes his powers unique, and certainly useful, but not necessarily better than Vivienne or Dorian's. 

[Br3admax]

 

That makes his powers unique, and certainly useful, but not necessarily better than Vivienne or Dorian's. 

He was able to hold the Anchor close against the Breach the entire time we were unconscious after the initial explosion. That's better than anything I've ever seen Dorian do, use Immolate and a slap a demon, or Vivienne, freeze some mundane. 

[schulz100]

My thoughts on the notation of the apparent lack of godly beat-downs Solas ought to be administering (and how he was prisoner of Cory for a year in the aborted future):

Solas himself admits he's not anywhere near his best in the epilogue. He couldn't get the Focci working when he found it, he was so weak in terms of power. The way he says it makes it sound like under normal circumstances, when he isn't weak from slumber (whatever that means), turning on a Focci is like getting out of bed. The whole reason Cory has it in the first place is because Solas didn't have enough power available to him immediately to get it working by himself. I feel like the Solas we're adventuring with is a sort of proto-Solas, Solas at his absolute weakest partly because he doesn't want to out himself by using the full extent of his powers, but also because circumstances that have yet to be explained prevent him from being able to use all of the power at his disposal.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm pretty sure that without Solas nearby the Inquisitor wouldn't be able to close the Breach at all.

I disagree. I think the Anchor is what gave the Inquisitor the ability to close the Breach. That said, you could very well be right too.

[Hellion Rex]

There's a reason Solas is always in the cut scene the first time the Breach is sealed. Sure the Inquisitor gets good at using it, but it Solas' toy. He knows the Anchor in and out. Without him there I'm not sure the Inquisitor would be able to use it properly.

True, it's entirely possible. My only disagreement is that Cory wasn't anywhere near by when the Breach blew open in the first place, so Cory didn't need Solas.

 

........hold up. Cass's report said that Solas was nearby and practically showed up the minute the Breach blew. So perhaps Solas's proximity allowed for the orb's magic to work.

[Hellion Rex]

And all those Elvhen artifacts he has the Inquisitor activate to strengthen the Veil. I'm pretty sure he built those too.

You know, I wouldn't be surprised. Or it could be just that as a being from the days of Arlathan, he knew how they worked.

[vertigomez]

Cassandra, Cole (because ~supernatural~) or Varric (because experience), Solas.

[jellobell]

Well by the end the Inquisitor has a pretty good handle on the anchor (can close tears without solas shoving their hand into them). It's become a part of them. He also says very explicitly during his dream sequence that he was not able to make the slightest difference with regards to the breach or the tears. It's the anchor that's the key. He knows what it is, and he knows how it can be used, but he can't affect it himself (other than keeping it from eating you alive after you first get it). I think that in order to stabilize it for long enough to keep the Inquisitor alive, Solas probably had to bind it to them. You can find notes around haven talking about how the mysterious elven apostate helped nurse you while you were out cold.

[BubbleDncr]

Story wise, I would say the best companions to have with you are Solas, Cassandra, and Varric. There is a reason they're the only ones you don't have an option to not recruit - the plot of the game won't work without them. 

[Br3admax]

True, it's entirely possible. My only disagreement is that Cory wasn't anywhere near by when the Breach blew open in the first place, so Cory didn't need Solas.

 

........hold up. Cass's report said that Solas was nearby and practically showed up the minute the Breach blew. So perhaps Solas's proximity allowed for the orb's magic to work.

Solas is nowhere nearby when Cory attacks Haven. By that point, Cory has mastery over it. Of course, Cory also tried to rip the Anchor out which allowed to Inquisitor to use it more. Solas is definitely not needed afterwards.  

[Hellion Rex]

Well by the end the Inquisitor has a pretty good handle on the anchor (can close tears without solas shoving their hand into them). It's become a part of them. He also says very explicitly during his dream sequence that he was not able to make the slightest difference with regards to the breach or the tears. It's the anchor that's the key. He knows what it is, and he knows how it can be used, but he can't affect it himself (other than keeping it from eating you alive after you first get it). I think that in order to stabilize it for long enough to keep the Inquisitor alive, Solas probably had to bind it to them. You can find notes around haven talking about how the mysterious elven apostate helped nurse you while you were out cold.

But there's a difference of closing tears versus the parent Breach. And during his dream sequence, you don't know who he is at the time either. And considering he is an Elven god of deceit, he could have easily been lying.

[Former_Fiend]

Cassandra, Cole (because ~supernatural~) or Varric (because experience), Solas.

 

I'd rate Sera above Varric. By Varric's own admission, Bianca(the crossbow) does most of the work. Makes things easy for him. 

[Hellion Rex]

Solas is nowhere near by when Cory attacks Haven. By that point, Cory has mastery over it. Of course, Cory also tried to rip the Anchor out which allowed to Inquisitor to use it more. Solas is definitely not needed afterwards. 

Ummmm, Solas would have been with everybody else in Haven, no?

 

That said, by Haven, yes I would agree that Cory's got mastery over the orb.

 

And Erimond also could very briefly control your Anchor when you first meet him in the Western Approach.