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[JnEricsonx]

I got dirt on all 3, but my court approval was just above 70, and I guess I needed 85 to arrest her in public?

[Lucrece]

I had 100 court approval and dirst on all three and I didn't get a 3-way truce. Apparently you need the extra dirt on Celene with discovering a tied up man in her quarters.

[Tsunami Chef]

I don't think there is a 3 way truce.

 

You can either support celene only

 

Support gaspard only

 

Support briala to control gaspard

 

Support celene and briala to reunite

 

 

Gaspard always gets executed if you choose celene I'm fairly sure. (NOT 100%).

[Fardreamer]

There is a 3 way truce, but the epilogue reveals it to not be a very good ending for Orlais. I think the best ending is executing Gaspard, and reconciling Celene and Briala.

Also Gaspard does not always get executed. I had him exiled after choosing Celene.

[Marshal Moriarty]

There is a 3 way truce - I got it, so I can confirm it. Just search for all the Halla statues and make sure you find the tied up guy in Celene's room (he's just before the rift ambush - you can hear him calling for help).

 

Don't get too excited though - it still plays out pretty much as 'Celene wins'. The other 2 don't get executed, but neither are they ever really mentioned ever again, The end sequence basically just says 'Oh and they were around too'. That's about the most they get mentioned after this, and most people when talking about the outcome, just say 'Celene won' and leave it at that.

 

This outcome basically ties Celene to the Inquisition. She remains loyal to you, but has to rely on you because the others are still at large. Nevertheless, there is no suggestion that Orlais is suffering in this, just that Celene's authority is somewhat questionable.

[Fardreamer]

There is a 3 way truce - I got it, so I can confirm it. Just search for all the Halla statues and make sure you find the tied up guy in Celene's room (he's just before the rift ambush - you can hear him calling for help).
 
Don't get too excited though - it still plays out pretty much as 'Celene wins'. The other 2 don't get executed, but neither are they ever really mentioned ever again, The end sequence basically just says 'Oh and they were around too'. That's about the most they get mentioned after this, and most people when talking about the outcome, just say 'Celene won' and leave it at that.

It's completely different. If all three are alive and in a truce, the epilogue slide is way different than if it's just Celene. And it's a bad outcome. Basically there's more turmoil than ever.

[KaiserShep]

I don't think there is a 3 way truce.

 

You can either support celene only

 

Support gaspard only

 

Support briala to control gaspard

 

Support celene and briala to reunite

 

Gaspard always gets executed if you choose celene I'm fairly sure. (NOT 100%).

 

I was pretty certain you can get Gaspard exiled, but I simply opt to execute him. It makes things much simpler.

[Fardreamer]

I was pretty certain you can get Gaspard exiled, but I simply opt to execute him. It makes things much simpler.

Yep, if you exile him, he just plots his return to power. Best to execute him.

[sylvanaerie]

I didn't get the three way truce, just found evidence of Celene's relationship with Briala and leaned more heavily in blaming Gaspard this time, played it in such a way as to shed better light on Briala's actions at the ball ...which led to a different ending (going for different ending).  Since I want to see content.  

First game I exiled Gaspard, and didn't do anything for Briala.  This time Celene executed Gaspard but reconciled (and elevated Briala).  No spoilers for end please, I'm still on this run.

[SabreTastic]

When I supported Celene, I didn't get the option to choose what happened to either Gaspard or Briala. I gave Celene the intel I'd collected on everybody and she made some kind of comment of 'Well good. We will execute them, then.' Though I suppose it's possible I missed it in my eagerness to get Halamshiral over with my first time through. xD

 

I find it very strange that you can get them all to work together. How do they explain that to the Court? Seems like everyone would be disappointed that at least one of the players didn't go out in a spectacle.

[FreshRevenge]

All you need is gather evidence on all three of them. Don't use all the halla keys. Make sure you have 5 halla keys to open the door that is right before the cutscene with the dutches or Flavian or whatever her name is the cousin of the Gaspard.

[Marshal Moriarty]

It doesn't say anything like that. The ending just makes the point that Celene is leaning heavily on the Inquisition to stay in power. It doesn't say that this is a bad state of affairs, or that Orlais is crumbling or anything like that. That is what Orlais is always like - its the Game, my dear...

[Wolfen09]

You have to find dirt on all 3 people.... and have at least 85 court approval then choose to talk to florianne instead of attacking her in the grand ballroom

 

1. Get elf chick you rescue to testify against briala

 

2.  Unlock Celene's chambers with 5 halla statues and get the dude tied to the bed to testify against celene

 

3.  Get the mercenary captain to testify against gaspard

 

After all the stuff with florianne is done, you must reveal each person's intentions without going too far in one person's direction...  I.E. after revealing gaspards info, got to celene or briala, do not press gaspard's issue.

 

If you want to get briala and celene back together, there is something about an elven locket, and then you must implicate gaspard and give briala credit for helping you

[Fardreamer]

It doesn't say anything like that. The ending just makes the point that Celene is leaning heavily on the Inquisition to stay in power. It doesn't say that this is a bad state of affairs, or that Orlais is crumbling or anything like that. That is what Orlais is always like - its the Game, my dear...

You need to replay... Or watch one of the YouTube videos that show the outcomes.

[Ananka]

What happens if your court approval hits the bottom?

 

 

To get the three way truce you need to find dirt on all three. So that means finding the tied up dude, the elven servant and the Fereldan in the gardens and getting them to testify.

[Marshal Moriarty]

I know what I saw, thank you very much. Besides, the endings assume you will continue the Inquisition, but I wouldn't do that. I worked hard to remain completely neutral in my dealings throughout this game. I didn't encroach on other countries' rights and territories (I almost always chose diplomacy in politcally sensitive operations), and I'm not interested in strong arming or coercing anyone, now that the threat is over. My opinion was 'let them get on with things the way they usually do - its not my mandate to change everyone's countries and systems of governance'.I don't necessarily agree with every country, and many nobles are jerks who don't fulfill their obligations to the people but those problems are for their respective countries to work out - not me or the Inquisition.

 

I wasn't given the option to disband the Inquisition, but that is in my head canon, what I would do. The Inquistion continuing to exist as an organization past the fulfullment of its mandate as the people understood it (beat Corypheus, close the breach and rifts) would be asking for trouble. The Grey Wardens can sing a song or 2 about that. But the wardens have a distinct charter that keeps them mostly out of politics and disallows from owning land. EVen then, they still ruffle feathers. Giselle says that part of the benefit of being called the Inquisition is that it might help to remind you that the original Inquisition disbanded when it completed its mission.

 

My Inquisition has completed its mission. Its time for Thedas to be given its lands and resources back and for us to get out of the way. Whatever happens in each country is up to them. I am not King of Southern thedas and I have no desire to fight off the innumerable nobles and people of influence who turn on me if I tried to stay around. Your followers and advisors clearly want to continue, but they're wrong IMO. The Inquisition has its role and it fulfulled it - if they keep on going, then they are doing exactly what the Envy Demon said they would do, finding an excuse to stay around, and think that only they know how to solve everyone's problems.

 

Even with pure intentions, it'll only be a matter of time before some monarch decides they have to go, and seizes their lands, declares them heretics etc like the Knights Templar in the real world. Better to bow out gracefully - the countries have their own monarchs and soldiers and policies and ideologies. The Inquisition has no right to interfere. It should continye to be an organization that is created only when required. That way it will keep its credibility and not anger people into destroying it so it isn't around and cannot be recreated when it actually is needed.

[Ziegrif]

What happens if your court approval hits the bottom?

 

 

You get thrown out like a common pleb. 

[Nyaore]

I got this when I was doing my second playthrough. Hit 100/100 Court Approval, it went down to 98 during the events of the Royal Wing, then I confronted Florienne rather than killing her. Once the moment came to talk to the warring parties, I had enough blackmail on all of them to make them see things my way.

• You'll need to enter Celene's bedroom in the royal wing, next to the room where you save Brialla's agent, it costs a few halla statues so save up for it! Don't let the man on her bed go free, only free him if he agrees to blackmail Celene with you. This WILL cost you Court Approval, however if you've been diligent about collecting secrets and coins it's easy to regain - and for me it cost nothing because for some reason hitting 100/100 gave me like ten minutes of no dropped Approval at all. That is until the end of the level, when it started dropping as I was putzing around the Royal Wing.
• Save Brialla's agent and promise her protection.
• Save the Ferelden mercenary Gaspard hired. I managed to get him on my side by bringing him into the Inquisition, but I'm not sure if that was an Approval perk or an Inquisition perk. Either way, it's worth it.

Do all this, confront Florienne rather than wait, and the three stooges will be eating out of the palm of your hand. I've also heard that 85 approval is the lowest it can get for a successful attempt at confronting the Grand Duchess, but I can't confirm.

[Wolfen09]

I got this when I was doing my second playthrough. Hit 100/100 Court Approval, it went down to 98 during the events of the Royal Wing, then I confronted Florienne rather than killing her. Once the moment came to talk to the warring parties, I had enough blackmail on all of them to make them see things my way.

• You'll need to enter Celene's bedroom in the royal wing, next to the room where you save Brialla's agent, it costs a few halla statues so save up for it! Don't let the man on her bed go free, only free him if he agrees to blackmail Celene with you. This WILL cost you Court Approval, however if you've been diligent about collecting secrets and coins it's easy to regain - and for me it cost nothing because for some reason hitting 100/100 gave me like ten minutes of no dropped Approval at all. That is until the end of the level, when it started dropping as I was putzing around the Royal Wing.
• Save Brialla's agent and promise her protection.
• Save the Ferelden mercenary Gaspard hired. I managed to get him on my side by bringing him into the Inquisition, but I'm not sure if that was an Approval perk or an Inquisition perk. Either way, it's worth it.

Do all this, confront Florienne rather than wait, and the three stooges will be eating out of the palm of your hand. I've also heard that 85 approval is the lowest it can get for a successful attempt at confronting the Grand Duchess, but I can't confirm.

 

below 85 has been confirmed for not being able to confront florianne, celene will die if you have below 85 approval

[Han Shot First]

It doesn't say anything like that. The ending just makes the point that Celene is leaning heavily on the Inquisition to stay in power. It doesn't say that this is a bad state of affairs, or that Orlais is crumbling or anything like that. That is what Orlais is always like - its the Game, my dear...

 

That is the best outcome IMO if your plan isn't to disband the Inquisition. It guarantees that the Inquisition will stay relevant and needed post-Corypheus, because Celene's power partly rests on her alliance with it. Alone she isn't powerful enough to counter Gaspard & Briala. If Celene rules alone and Gaspard is dead or exiled, the Orlesian crown no longer needs the Inquisition as an ally. Supporting Celene while forcing a truce with Gaspard and Briala basically puts the Inquisitor as the power behind the Orlesian throne.

[Marshal Moriarty]

I can't imagine the Orlesians being very happy with that though, and it would be something that Gaspard could riff off (i,e that Orlais needs to govern its own affairs etc etc).

 

What is 'best' for Orlais is somewhat nebulous. It depends on whether you are solely talking about Orlais itself or whether you want the world to be a more stable place. Celene is the political candidate. Under her, Orlais will continue to negotiate rather than aggressively expand, but it will come at the cost of a loss of awe and prestige (it will feel like they are no longer the Great Power they were, and are like Tevinter, settling into a more conservative tole in the world). Basically, Orlais would still be a force to be reckoned with, but wouldn't use that power very much. It would establish peaceful relations with its neighbours and then just wallow in its own affairs. It would be powerful, but not inspirational.

 

Gaspard offers the return to a more honorable and chivarlic empire. Under his Napoleonic style rule, Orlais would stretch forth its hand once more and be energised but dangerous to its neighbours. He would however do much to stop the rot of decadence and indolence setting into Orlesian high society. For better or worse, Orlais would be shaken awake and reminded that it is a great nation. They'd be trouble, but arguably it would be saving Orlais from crumbling from within to silly and lethal political nonsense.

 

Briala;s rule would be an experiment of sorts, and the threat of it all collapsing due to its untested nature would constantly be there. Ruling from behind Gaspard would always be a dangerous charade to carry on for both of them, and her relative inexperience at rulership along with Gaspard frequently disagreeing with her policies, would make for a tense, februle atmosphere. It could eventually pave the way for a more free society that breaks down the class boundaries (over a long period of time). But its just as likely to result in a chaotic 'Robespierre's reign of terror' situantion as the former spymaster employs brutal methods to exact justice and revenge for her people, and force her reforms through.

 

 

That's how I see it. But like I say, I want no part of that decision and I cannot see how the Inquisition could justify letting Celene die, whatever you might think of her. I absolutely reject the idea that her death would not cause utter chaos (especially as she is stabbed brutally in public). The fact the the other candidates were not targeted would seem highly suspicious to the casual observer, and Florianne is Gaspard's sister (even the Ferelden Merc captain thinks he must be involved). Plus if it were ever to get out that the Inquisition let Celene die for its own politcal ends, there would be riots in the streets.

 

Ultimately I felt it was the Inquisition's job solely to defeat Corypheus and that would require all 3 candidates pulling in the same direction, bringing all their resources to bear. What they do afterwards is entirely their own affair. As far as I'm concerned, they're free to assassinate, spy,and invade each other to their heart's content. The one thing I absolutely cannot accept is executing Haspard - he does nothing to merit that sort of behaviour. He moved in troops as a precautionary measure, but hadn't used them. If that makes you guilty, then the Inquistion could equally be found guilty - they snuck in soldiers too! The murdered man in the garden is an obvious set up, and if that sort of thing could convict people, it'd have been done ages ago.

[Isaidlunch]

What happens if your court approval hits the bottom?

 

[Sardoni]

Do you expect to be able to convince people to participate in a three-way with a low approval rating?

[sunnydxmen]

i think all three going to get killed in be replace by someone else  in the next game it is the game after all in it  never ends they agree truce so what they still gonna behind each other back in someone gonna take all three out maybe even by the next blight if you choose to have wardens leave.

[Pewps]

What's the epilogue card like for Gaspard + Briala? I'm about to get to this quest on my elf and I want to do either Celene + Briala or Gaspard + Briala.