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[OHB MajorV]

So for my second playthrough now knowing the truth about blackwall (and him romancing my Josie,....petty I know) I've resided to him meeting the hangmans noose in VR. That said when I got the dialogue option to talk with him about the warden corruption. I went with "everyone but you". He was visibly pissed by this and responded with "have I given you reason to question me"?

So I've decided I will spend my time with blackwall intentionally questioning his ties to wardens. With questions like, how do you kill an arch demon? and such. How far can he be pushed before he breaks? If I get to much disapproval will he still turn himself in? I don't wanna miss him swinging from the gallows for his treachery.

[Fardreamer]

Really? Blackwall is one of the most likeable characters. That said, I'm going to use his lie to control his life. I'm going to use the "I own you now" dialogue after judgement.

[Sardoni]

Blandwall is officially my least favorite character in all Bioware games.  It used to be DA2 Anders (Awakening Anders was fine).

 

I support your hangman's noose.  Meanwhile I'm my second play through I'm tempted to just never recruit him.

 

Nothing of value would be lost.

[OHB MajorV]

Really? Blackwall is one of the most likeable characters. That said, I'm going to use his lie to control his life. I'm going to use the "I own you now" dialogue after judgement.

Likable like the mountain in GOT? He murdered that family children included and to make it worse let his troops take the fall. I let him go to the wardens in my cannon play because I wanted to keep all my companions but that family will receive the justice they should have received in my first playthrough.

Now I'm pissed I didn't do the right thing in my cannon play. Damn you blackwall.

[OHB MajorV]

Blandwall is officially my least favorite character in all Bioware games. It used to be DA2 Anders (Awakening Anders was fine).

I support your hangman's noose. Meanwhile I'm my second play through I'm tempted to just never recruit him.

Nothing of value would be lost.

This. I have a tank warrior who is better in Cassandra. Blackwall isn't the type I exactly trust. I always knew something was fishy about him blabbering on about honor and such. I was a Warden I know one when I see one and that man is not who I want saving the world from a blight. He would run and hide like he always has.

[Fardreamer]

Likable like the mountain in GOT? He murdered that family children included and to make it worse let his troops take the fall. I let him go to the wardens in my cannon play because I wanted to keep all my companions but that family will receive the justice they should have received in my first playthrough.
Now I'm pissed I didn't do the right thing in my cannon play. Damn you blackwall.

What's better, justice or redemption? I'll always go with redemption. The man, has tortured himself over it for years.

[OHB MajorV]

What's better, justice or redemption? I'll always go with redemption. The man, has tortured himself over it for years.

Until it's someone you care about at the end of a blade.

[sylvanaerie]

Likable like the mountain in GOT? He murdered that family children included and to make it worse let his troops take the fall. I let him go to the wardens in my cannon play because I wanted to keep all my companions but that family will receive the justice they should have received in my first playthrough.

Now I'm pissed I didn't do the right thing in my cannon play. Damn you blackwall.

So I take it you also never recruited Sten?  Or wanted to execute him personally?

 

Seriously, being cruel to Blackwall is like kicking a whipped dog.  Until his lie is revealed he just seems so sad and pathetic, only starting to come alive again when he owns up to what he did.

 

And he expects you to leave him to be executed, you don't get to execute him yourself (or see it).  Not the satisfying ending to the relationship I expect you want.

 

But that's the beauty of DA.  If one playthrough's choices don't sit well with you, you get to go it again on another character and see how it plays out a different way.

 

Personally, I leave his fate to the grey wardens.  They recruit the worst sorts of criminals all the time.  He wanted to be a GW, let the Joining decide his fate.  But first he helps my Inquisitor. 

I may feed him to the wolves on my Cass romance run because I won't need his services as tank.

[OHB MajorV]

So I take it you also never recruited Sten? Or wanted to execute him personally?

Seriously, being cruel to Blackwall is like kicking a whipped dog. Until his lie is revealed he just seems so sad and pathetic, only starting to come alive again when he owns up to what he did.

And he expects you to leave him to be executed, you don't get to execute him yourself (or see it). Not the satisfying ending to the relationship I expect you want.

But that's the beauty of DA. If one playthrough's choices don't sit well with you, you get to go it again on another character and see how it plays out a different way.

Personally, I leave his fate to the grey wardens. They recruit the worst sorts of criminals all the time. He wanted to be a GW, let the Joining decide his fate. But first he helps my Inquisitor.

I may feed him to the wolves on my Cass romance run because I won't need his services as tank.

He deserves it. I'm surprised cole doesn't give him up and try to "help" him. Seems like an oversight or a means to an end from Bioware.

[Sardoni]

So I take it you also never recruited Sten?  Or wanted to execute him personally?

 

Seriously, being cruel to Blackwall is like kicking a whipped dog.  Until his lie is revealed he just seems so sad and pathetic, only starting to come alive again when he owns up to what he did.

 

And he expects you to leave him to be executed, you don't get to execute him yourself (or see it).  Not the satisfying ending to the relationship I expect you want.

 

But that's the beauty of DA.  If one playthrough's choices don't sit well with you, you get to go it again on another character and see how it plays out a different way.

 

Personally, I leave his fate to the grey wardens.  They recruit the worst sorts of criminals all the time.  He wanted to be a GW, let the Joining decide his fate.  But first he helps my Inquisitor. 

I may feed him to the wolves on my Cass romance run because I won't need his services as tank.

 

I liked Sten.  He was always true to who he was and what he believed.  I don't recall Sten ever hiding anything.  I'd almost say that Sten would be incapable of lying.

 

How many years has it been since Blackwall has faked being a Grey Warden?  He could have turned himself in to any Warden encampment and apply for the joining.  I know the circumstances.  I did his character crisis and it didn't endear me to his cause.  His excuses were shallow.  They continue to be shallow.  He tried to take the easy out without explaining any of his actions to anyone in the inquisition or the Grey Wardens.  There is no redeemer story in my eyes.  I was never a Loghain fan but at least Loghain had the courage to stand by his convictions.

 

All that being said if I could leave Blackwall behind in the Fade instead of Stroud/Alistair/Loghain or Hawke... I'd take that option everytime as well.

[Kenshen]

What's better, justice or redemption? I'll always go with redemption. The man, has tortured himself over it for years.

 

And what about those he murdered?  Don't they deserve justice?  I will let him swing, for some crimes it doesn't matter how much time has past or how much guilt they feel IMO.

[Ryzaki]

Eh he's the worst of both worlds. Gets too pissy for me to treat him like the laid back morally flexible character but he lacks the naivety and morality of character that allows me to tolerate the more morally strict characters.

 

Blandwall is exactly how he left me feeling.

[sylvanaerie]

I liked Sten.  He was always true to who he was and what he believed.  I don't recall Sten ever hiding anything.  I'd almost say that Sten would be incapable of lying.

 

How many years has it been since Blackwall has faked being a Grey Warden?  He could have turned himself in to any Warden encampment and apply for the joining.  I know the circumstances.  I did his character crisis and it didn't endear me to his cause.  His excuses were shallow.  They continue to be shallow.  He tried to take the easy out without explaining any of his actions to anyone in the inquisition or the Grey Wardens.  There is no redeemer story in my eyes.  I was never a Loghain fan but at least Loghain had the courage to stand by his convictions.

 

All that being said if I could leave Blackwall behind in the Fade instead of Stroud/Alistair/Loghain or Hawke... I'd take that option everytime as well.

 

Well, if you dislike him, there's always the option to tell him to take a hike when you first meet him.  

And Sten is no better, he's just already reached that point of 'owning up to' what he's done by the time we encounter him.  Blackwall does eventually do this in the course of the story so this time we, as players, are part of that process instead of it having happened off camera previously.  Kind of an interesting take Bioware put on the character's process. 

 

I romanced him this game and his big reveal happened right after their night together...great timing Blackwall...I ended up giving him to the grey wardens (who were exiled) after Cory was dealt with.  I felt my character (who was kind of a hard ass anyway) didn't want to outright lose him but she wasn't going to give him a 'get out of jail free' pass and be seen as 'corrupt and playing favorites'.  This way he can become a warden (which is what Blackwall wanted for Thom) and pay his debt, either with dying to the Joining, or becoming a warden and doing something better with his life.

 

And I'll be honest, what OP sounds like they want is simple petty revenge for a video game character daring to have a crush on his video game sweetheart.  It's one thing to just want the character to suffer an execution for the sake of different content or justice for the murdered family, it's another to want to completely tear them down and beat them emotionally.

[KillTheLastRomantic]

What's better, justice or redemption? I'll always go with redemption. The man, has tortured himself over it for years.

 

I kind of felt at least SOMEWHAT sympathetic towards him until he then gave me a "Well, I guess it's lucky I wasn't a warden after all!" line after learning about Corypheus resurrection powers. He's a hypocritical coward, through and through. A FANTASTICALLY nuanced and well written coward, but a coward nonetheless. At least when I bitched him out for saying that he had the common sense to seem embarrassed for himself.

[Daerog]

I don't get how adding another corpse to the pile is justice. It is just illogical to me, as he completely changed to avoid ever doing such a thing again, so killing him would serve no real purpose other than vengeance and bloodlust.

 

To him, Thom is already dead anyway, and he is Blackwall, letting a good man continue doing good and having a broken man be dead. However, I do find it better that he reconciled with his past and is now Thom who tries to live up to Blackwall now, instead of dropping his past out of memory.

 

I was considering playing as a jerk to Blackwall in my second playthrough, just to be different, but dismissed it as my second character is a dwarf. A dwarf who was a part of the Carta... sure I can say I just smuggled stuff, but still contributed to a criminal network that does kill people.

 

He was caught up in his greed and pride, and when the horror of it caught up to him, he shut down, he ran, and then he sought redemption, even by "killing" Thom for a time. So, in my canon, my Inquisitor was upset with the lie, but his strong desire for redemption was enough to just let him continue doing what he is doing and I didn't send him to the Wardens... because that wouldn't serve much of a point anyway, the Wardens are in disarray and there is no Blight, he would serve better staying with the Inquisition without supernatural cancer.

[OHB MajorV]

Well, if you dislike him, there's always the option to tell him to take a hike when you first meet him.

And Sten is no better, he's just already reached that point of 'owning up to' what he's done by the time we encounter him. Blackwall does eventually do this in the course of the story so this time we, as players, are part of that process instead of it having happened off camera previously. Kind of an interesting take Bioware put on the character's process.

I romanced him this game and his big reveal happened right after their night together...great timing Blackwall...I ended up giving him to the grey wardens (who were exiled) after Cory was dealt with. I felt my character (who was kind of a hard ass anyway) didn't want to outright lose him but she wasn't going to give him a 'get out of jail free' pass and be seen as 'corrupt and playing favorites'. This way he can become a warden (which is what Blackwall wanted for Thom) and pay his debt, either with dying to the Joining, or becoming a warden and doing something better with his life.

And I'll be honest, what OP sounds like they want is simple petty revenge for a video game character daring to have a crush on his video game sweetheart. It's one thing to just want the character to suffer an execution for the sake of different content or justice for the murdered family, it's another to want to completely tear them down and beat them emotionally.

Sounds like you're emotionally attached to a video game character. I threw the Josie thing in for humor. And I've already stated I sent him to the wardens in my cannon playthrough but after some reflection I regret it. Say instead of some noble family it was revealed that he killed hawkes brother leaving there home, would you still be so forgiving?

[OHB MajorV]

I don't get how adding another corpse to the pile is justice. It is just illogical to me, as he completely changed to avoid ever doing such a thing again, so killing him would serve no real purpose other than vengeance and bloodlust.

To him, Thom is already dead anyway, and he is Blackwall, letting a good man continue doing good and having a broken man be dead. However, I do find it better that he reconciled with his past and is now Thom who tries to live up to Blackwall now, instead of dropping his past out of memory.

I was considering playing as a jerk to Blackwall in my second playthrough, just to be different, but dismissed it as my second character is a dwarf. A dwarf who was a part of the Carta... sure I can say I just smuggled stuff, but still contributed to a criminal network that does kill people.

He was caught up in his greed and pride, and when the horror of it caught up to him, he shut down, he ran, and then he sought redemption, even by "killing" Thom for a time. So, in my canon, my Inquisitor was upset with the lie, but his strong desire for redemption was enough to just let him continue doing what he is doing and I didn't send him to the Wardens... because that wouldn't serve much of a point anyway, the Wardens are in disarray and there is no Blight, he would serve better staying with the Inquisition without supernatural cancer.

Remorse is not the same as paying a debt. While he may have felt bad he spent years doing a lot of nothing to atone for his crimes. The fact that he didn't hear the calling tells you as much. He never proceeded with the ritual to become a warden. Yet when we meet him he's training recruits?

[Daerog]

He could have killed the Hero of Fereldan and my canon mage Inquisitor would have still forgiven him.

 

I think his response to his crime was... well, I guess "just" for lack of a better word at this time. His self-loathing was a bit annoying, but after he got his act together, he was a force for good, living for others and no longer himself. Why would I punish him after he has already corrected himself and has dedicated his life to the service of others?

[EdwinLi]

I made him stay with the Inquisition. Ya the twist was a shock to me but he was not lying about wanting to spend his life doing good for what he had done wrong.

 

In the end Blackwalls stays with the Inquisition to atone for his crimes knowing full well it may take the rest of his life to do so. 

 

There are very few people in the world that would willingly spend the rest of their life to atone for their crimes like Blackwall which is one of the things I respect about him.

[sylvanaerie]

Sounds like you're emotionally attached to a video game character. I threw the Josie thing in for humor. And I've already stated I sent him to the wardens in my cannon playthrough but after some reflection I regret it. Say instead of some noble family it was revealed that he killed hawkes brother leaving there home, would you still be so forgiving?

 

I'm not forgiving or excusing what he did.  I don't give him a free ride, I just don't feel a need for a second playthrough to emotionally beat a character.  I do like him, I like all the companions this time (a welcome change from the previous two games), and I feel Bioware really did the companions well this time, a particular strong point of the game, but if I feel my particular inquisitor will leave him to be executed, he will be.   I won't metagame previous knowledge to tear apart a man who is written as already emotionally lower than an abused dog.

[OHB MajorV]

The magnetic field of this forum has your moral compasses all jacked up. Just saying

[Daerog]

Remorse is not the same as paying a debt. While he may have felt bad he spent years doing a lot of nothing to atone for his crimes. The fact that he didn't hear the calling tells you as much. He never proceeded with the ritual to become a warden. Yet when we meet him he's training recruits?

 

He was showing people how to stand up for themselves and promoting the ideals of the Grey Wardens. That isn't a bad thing.

 

He has given himself completely to the service of helping others and has become a very unselfish person. I don't see what else he can do. Him dying or becoming a Warden does not change the fact that the family is dead. However, he is adding a lot of good back to the world by being alive. Him being dead does nothing and changes nothing other than there is one less person going around doing good deeds.

[TheWinstitute]

Is it just me or is it the same people that love Sera for who she is...detest Blackwall for almost the inversely same set of reasons they love Sera?

 

Ahh BSN...

 

[OHB MajorV]

I'm not forgiving or excusing what he did. I don't give him a free ride, I just don't feel a need for a second playthrough to emotionally beat a character. I do like him, I like all the companions this time (a welcome change from the previous two games), and I feel Bioware really did the companions well this time, a particular strong point of the game, but if I feel my particular inquisitor will leave him to be executed, he will be. I won't metagame previous knowledge to tear apart a man who is written as already emotionally lower than an abused dog.

I'm not playing again for this sole purpose. This was an after thought after his reaction to me asking why he wasn't hearing the calling or manipulated by Cory.

[OHB MajorV]

Is it just me or is it the same people that love Sera for who she is...detest Blackwall for almost the inversely same set of reasons they love Sera?

Ahh BSN...

I'm not fond of sera either. Way to jump to conclusions. So yeah it's just you.