Is it just me or is it the same people that love Sera for who she is...detest Blackwall for almost the inversely same set of reasons they love Sera?
I didn't really notice.
I like Sera, Blackwall, and Vivienne. My least favorite is actually the Iron Bull, but I don't hate him.
I'm not playing again for this sole purpose. This was an after thought after his reaction to me asking why he wasn't hearing the calling or manipulated by Cory.
Well, I never said it was your 'sole purpose' I just said you were dedicating the playthrough to complete tearing down of Blackwall...
So for my second playthrough now knowing the truth about blackwall (and him romancing my Josie,....petty I know) I've resided to him meeting the hangmans noose in VR. That said when I got the dialogue option to talk with him about the warden corruption. I went with "everyone but you". He was visibly pissed by this and responded with "have I given you reason to question me"?
So I've decided I will spend my time with blackwall intentionally questioning his ties to wardens. With questions like, how do you kill an arch demon? and such. How far can he be pushed before he breaks? If I get to much disapproval will he still turn himself in? I don't wanna miss him swinging from the gallows for his treachery.
Which is what you said you'd be doing in your original post...*bolded for emphasis*
You didn't discuss what your other choices would be in this particular playthrough so I can't very well debate those, only what's posted.
BTW, if you don't mind sharing some of the thunder and really want to gut him, bring Vivienne along with you. She's particularly nasty to him.
This. I have a tank warrior who is better in Cassandra. Blackwall isn't the type I exactly trust. I always knew something was fishy about him blabbering on about honor and such. I was a Warden I know one when I see one and that man is not who I want saving the world from a blight. He would run and hide like he always has.
I know something was odd the moment he said that he was recruiting wardens in Ferelden during the Fifth Blight. Everyone knows that there were only 2 Wardens (HoF and Alistair) running around Ferelden during that time! Riordan (and possibly Loghain) didn't come into the picture until towards the end of the Blight.
I kind of felt at least SOMEWHAT sympathetic towards him until he then gave me a "Well, I guess it's lucky I wasn't a warden after all!" line after learning about Corypheus resurrection powers. He's a hypocritical coward, through and through. A FANTASTICALLY nuanced and well written coward, but a coward nonetheless. At least when I bitched him out for saying that he had the common sense to seem embarrassed for himself.
You seriously had a issue when he said that?
Even a Warden will agree with that considering what Corytheus does with a Warden if he was killed near one.
A nasty sight when Cory takes over a warden's body and starts mutating it into his new body while vomiting out Black Blood all over the body.
Really? Blackwall is one of the most likeable characters. That said, I'm going to use his lie to control his life. I'm going to use the "I own you now" dialogue after judgement.
No, he isn't. Even his fans think he will be the character that people will argue about, like Loghain was in DAO and Anders was in DA2.
As for the judgement, that is what I'm going to go with as well since the other choices don't work as punishments.
Executing him doesn't work since he wants to die. So giving him what he wants is not a punishment. Plus he can't suffer if he is dead.
Sending him to the Wardens, like executing him, is giving him what he wants so doing that is more of a reward since his lie becomes reality.
Letting him go is not an option since he has committed an atrocity so shouldn't just be let off the hook since freedom isn't a punishment.
So conscripted to serve under the Inquisition is the only thing that comes close to a punishment, unfortunate as that may be.
Likable like the mountain in GOT? He murdered that family children included and to make it worse let his troops take the fall. I let him go to the wardens in my cannon play because I wanted to keep all my companions but that family will receive the justice they should have received in my first playthrough.
Now I'm pissed I didn't do the right thing in my cannon play. Damn you blackwall.
At least you don't have to see him squish anyone's face...*traumatized rocking back and forth in the corner*
At least you don't have to see him squish anyone's face...*traumatized rocking back and forth in the corner*
As if I would press play! 
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Pandora just started playing the rains of castamere 
Well, I never said it was your 'sole purpose' I just said you were dedicating the playthrough to complete tearing down of Blackwall...
Which is what you said you'd be doing in your original post...*bolded for emphasis*
You didn't discuss what your other choices would be in this particular playthrough so I can't very well debate those, only what's posted.
BTW, if you don't mind sharing some of the thunder and really want to gut him, bring Vivienne along with you. She's particularly nasty to him.
No, he isn't. Even his fans think he will be the character that people will argue about, like Loghain was in DAO and Anders was in DA2.
As for the judgement, that is what I'm going to go with as well since the other choices don't work as punishments.
Executing him doesn't work since he wants to die. So giving him what he wants is not a punishment. Plus he can't suffer if he is dead.
Sending him to the Wardens, like executing him, is giving him what he wants so doing that is more of a reward since his lie becomes reality.
Letting him go is not an option since he has committed an atrocity so shouldn't just be let off the hook since freedom isn't a punishment.
So conscripted to serve under the Inquisition is the only thing that comes close to a punishment, unfortunate as that may be.
I sent him to the wardens because of (the original Blackwall) and because it's seen as a last resort for criminals (kin-slayers, blood mages etc, as Riordan says). I was a little afraid that conscripting him (especially on a romanced run) with an inquisitor would be seen as 'playing favorites and corruption in the ranks'. Does it have any kind of impact at the end on the Inquisition?
Considering what happened to the wardens in the ending of my first playthrough (and I exiled them in the second, which means he's going to have to do some traveling after Cory), not sure I'm doing him any favors, especially if the Joining kills him.
Alas, pride is an all too common fault, it brings some of us low and others get caved in faces...
Is it just me or is it the same people that love Sera for who she is...detest Blackwall for almost the inversely same set of reasons they love Sera?
Ahh BSN...
I'm not overly found of Sera personally. I found her to be a childish self hating revenge fantasy thief. Over the course of the game she gains a little depth, has semi-entertaining war table missions that are consistent asides, and gives me cookies.
I'd never romance her and she's always a bench warmer since her inner circle quests never require you to drag her around the map, but if you asked me to take Sera or Blandwall to a mission I'd always pick Sera no matter the circumstance.
Viv and Iron Bull tie for my favorite characters in this game, but I'd never romance them (even if I could Viv). Cole is a close second.
So that's two people to prove your over generalization wrong 
I sent him to the wardens because of (the original Blackwall) and because it's seen as a last resort for criminals (kin-slayers, blood mages etc, as Riordan says). I was a little afraid that conscripting him (especially on a romanced run) with an inquisitor would be seen as 'playing favorites and corruption in the ranks'. Does it have any kind of impact at the end on the Inquisition?
Considering what happened to the wardens in the ending of my first playthrough (and I exiled them in the second, which means he's going to have to do some traveling after Cory), not sure I'm doing him any favors, especially if the Joining kills him.
If Rainier ever had the intent to honor Blackwall, he would have continued to head to the Wardens rather than steal Blackwall's identity and play make believe for years. Plus, sending him to the Wardens seems to be a win-win for him. Either the joining kills him, granting him what he wants, or he becomes a Warden, granting him what he wants.
As for how it affects the romance, I can't say.
Is it just me or is it the same people that love Sera for who she is...detest Blackwall for almost the inversely same set of reasons they love Sera?
Count me as another person who breaks this generalization. I don't like Sera either.
I sent him to the wardens because of (the original Blackwall) and because it's seen as a last resort for criminals (kin-slayers, blood mages etc, as Riordan says). I was a little afraid that conscripting him (especially on a romanced run) with an inquisitor would be seen as 'playing favorites and corruption in the ranks'. Does it have any kind of impact at the end on the Inquisition?
Considering what happened to the wardens in the ending of my first playthrough (and I exiled them in the second, which means he's going to have to do some traveling after Cory), not sure I'm doing him any favors, especially if the Joining kills him.
I didn't notice anything big that hurt the Inquisition. I did pick Josie to apologize with using the Warden papers earlier in the game at the war table.
Blackwall does get upset that I got him out and people know it (because it could hurt the Inquisition), but my canon mage Inquisitor didn't care, he was the Herald of Andraste and his faith came first, and... well, just see my signature, compassion is a big thing in Andrastianism. With how much good the Inquisition was doing, and people loving that the Templar Order was redeemed, I figured such talk of corruption would just fade away.
I personally adore Blackwall, and I stand by Sera as well. I detest Cole with a passion (Creepy little mind-rapist!) Vivienne runs hot and cold with me, as does Solas. Sometimes I like them, sometimes I want them dead. But Sera and Blackwall are my favorites because they embody genuine human character. They embody pathos. They embody internal conflict. They embody what I see as real and flawed human personalities.
So yea... haters gonna hate, there's a ton of threads where people run their mouths and regurgitate 95% falsehood and 4% logical fallacies. You either like a character or you don't.
I'm surprised at the amount of hate Blackwall has gotten. His crimes are really nothing compared to some of our past companions.
I'm not overly found of Sera personally. I found her to be a childish self hating revenge fantasy thief. Over the course of the game she gains a little depth, has semi-entertaining war table missions that are consistent asides, and gives me cookies.
I'd never romance her and she's always a bench warmer since her inner circle quests never require you to drag her around the map, but if you asked me to take Sera or Blandwall to a mission I'd always pick Sera no matter the circumstance.
Viv and Iron Bull tie for my favorite characters in this game, but I'd never romance them (even if I could Viv). Cole is a close second.
So that's two people to prove your over generalization wrong
I love Vivienne, Solas, Dorian (hell love all the mages). Inside of 5 minutes with Cass I was wanting to make a male inquisitor to romance her, I just loved her to pieces 
. Adore Varric, who survived a second game with his personality intact and he even experiences some good self insights in that path.
Blackwall is...okay...he's too morally grey to fit the white knight trope but not truly dark enough to be an 'anti-hero'. I find he makes a useful tank (Champion spec is pretty damn good for that), but so does Cass. And his character path is interesting enough, though not enthralling enough to mean he will see every game with me to the end.
Sera annoys me, but even then she has her moments when she makes me laugh, so I can't say I hate her. Iron Bull is a refreshing change as i was expecting another boring Qun-filled deadpan Sten-like creature, and I actually like him (that is, I like Bull, not Sten). Plan on my next run for him to be my major warrior. Cole...I haven't taken him around with me at all. I've done his character quests, but I plan on next game using him as my main rogue so I can get some banters on him.
At least I don't actively loathe any of them. I even like all my advisors.
I'm surprised at the amount of hate Blackwall has gotten. His crimes are really nothing compared to some of our past companions.
He's also not as full of himself like Morrigan is. I still like her, but she can be a real ******. People don't like Sera for being dismissive of other faiths, and then there is Morrigan who outright calls the Maker a fable and laughs at the very idea of the Chantry being right, and is even shocked at what she sees at the Temple but still doesn't open her mind to other possibilities or that she could be wrong on many more things.
Again, I still like her.
Murdering children is pretty high on my list of things that will make me not like a guy.
I'm surprised at the amount of hate Blackwall has gotten. His crimes are really nothing compared to some of our past companions.
What other companions have murdered an entire family, including the children, and leave their soldiers to take the fall while they run to save their own skin?
Well it's been mentioned before, but Sten also murdered children. And he knew what he was doing, he was just to traumatised to stop himself. Whereas Blackwall was unaware they were there.
Then you've got Zevran, who happily murdered people for money.
Isabella who carelessly left innocents to die by the Qunari's hands whiles she scarpered with the relic.
Leiliana who actively worked to deceive and kill people as part of the 'game'.
I think you're just determined to hate him for your own personal reasons, and nothing anyone says is gong to change your mind. But once you've put things into perspective, you see that the worst part of his crime was a complete accident that he deeply regrets. I'd say dedicating his life to making the world a better place is better than needlessly killing him to fix a wrong that can't ever be righted anymore anyway.
He knew the children were there. He heard a full verse of a nursery rhyme they were singing but still attacked the carriage anyway.
What other companions have murdered an entire family, including the children, and leave their soldiers to take the fall while they run to save their own skin?
He knew the children were there. He heard a full verse of a nursery rhyme they were singing but still attacked the carriage anyway.
The whole 'he murdered children' thing is my biggest stumbling block with him too. But it was my impression he had no idea Lord Callier was traveling with his family, only retainers (this from the codex of our spymaster delving into the situation). What dialogue path led to this revelation? I may use that on my "Blackwall is executed" run, if I go through with it.
The whole 'he murdered children' thing is my biggest stumbling block with him too. But it was my impression he had no idea Lord Callier was traveling with his family, only retainers (this from the codex of our spymaster delving into the situation). What dialogue path led to this revelation? I may use that on my "Blackwall is executed" run, if I go through with it.
It comes up if you have him and Cole in a party together. Cole starts singing the nursery rhyme and Rainier asks in a shocked tone where Cole knows that from, to which Cole brings up he got it from Rainier. They have a few conversations about what Rainier did since Cole knows the truth from the beginning.
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