It comes up if you have him and Cole in a party together. Cole starts singing the nursery rhyme and Rainier asks in a shocked tone where Cole knows that from, to which Cole brings up he got it from Rainier. They have a few conversations about what Rainier did since Cole knows the truth from the beginning.
Gods, I HATE that creepy little mind-rapist!!! I cannot stand how people are willing to give him a bye, just because he acts cute and innocent. Freaking "Mind-Rape Me Elmo", that's Cole.
Gods, I HATE that creepy little mind-rapist!!! I cannot stand how people are willing to give him a bye, just because he acts cute and innocent. Freaking "Mind-Rape Me Elmo", that's Cole.
Yet you adore someone who killed an entire family for gold, and sacrificed his entire unit to save his own neck?
It comes up if you have him and Cole in a party together. Cole starts singing the nursery rhyme and Rainier asks in a shocked tone where Cole knows that from, to which Cole brings up he got it from Rainier. They have a few conversations about what Rainier did since Cole knows the truth from the beginning.
Ahh okay that would explain it. I've never traveled with Cole. At all. I'll have to have Blackwall in my group a little bit then to get it. Just not sure i can travel with someone and then just abandon them to be executed 
. Hmmm Maybe I'll take the "your ass is mine" option on that playthrough instead...
What other companions have murdered an entire family, including the children, and leave their soldiers to take the fall while they run to save their own skin?
He knew the children were there. He heard a full verse of a nursery rhyme they were singing but still attacked the carriage anyway.
You remember when isabella said she doesn't carry slaves in her ships? The reason she let the batch she was lied to about carrying free and is hunted for in DA2? She once transported slaves, and dumped them over board when their weight was slowing them down that they'd be captured. She dumped them, chained and all, and let them drown, helpless, in the cold dark deep.
said nothing to defend her. Blackwall openly admits he hated himself to giving the order. That, and was too much of a coward to open his mouth as his men suffered for it. So scared, he took up a new name because he saw the chance, and his old one was too tainted in his eyes. He tries constantly to help people in any small way. Should the man be punished for his crimes? Yes. But to disallow him the chance to redeem himself permits greater evils to persist.
Yet you adore someone who killed an entire family for gold, and sacrificed his entire unit to save his own neck?
He didn't. The entire point of going to Val Royeaux was to stop the execution of one of his men. Though I am sure several died while he was on the lam, he didn't sacrifice his entire unit.
Ahh okay that would explain it. I've never traveled with Cole. At all. I'll have to have Blackwall in my group a little bit then to get it. Just not sure i can travel with someone and then just abandon them to be executed
Here, someone has all the banter the two have together in a video:
He didn't. The entire point of going to Val Royeaux was to stop the execution of one of his men. Though I am sure several died while he was on the lam, he didn't sacrifice his entire unit.
By sacrifice, I meant more let them take the fall. Which is true, since they have all been in prison for it, and all but the one he interrupts have been executed.
You remember when isabella said she doesn't carry slaves in her ships? The reason she let the batch she was lied to about carrying free and is hunted for in DA2? She once transported slaves, and dumped them over board when their weight was slowing them down that they'd be captured. She dumped them, chained and all, and let them drown, helpless, in the cold dark deep.
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said nothing to defend her. Blackwall openly admits he hated himself to giving the order. That, and was too much of a coward to open his mouth as his men suffered for it. So scared, he took up a new name because he saw the chance, and his old one was too tainted in his eyes. He tries constantly to help people in any small way. Should the man be punished for his crimes? Yes. But to disallow him the chance to redeem himself permits greater evils to persist.
Oh, trust me. I absolutely hate Isabela for what's she's done as well.
And as I said, I don't execute him. He can find redemption while under my strict command.
Thanks, but I don't look at video I may see firsthand in game first. That way it's unspoiled for me when i do see it. The only videos i watch are those I've already seen (to see other dialogue paths I may not have chosen) or to enjoy a scene again without having to dig up which save I had with that cutscene preserved. Sometimes it's even to enjoy a scene I know I can never reach on my own in the game (for whatever reasons). Having Cole and Blackwall in my group won't be that onerous, it just changes his fate from "executed for his crimes" to "put your ass to work for the Inquisition making up for what you did the rest of your life".
You seriously had a issue when he said that?
Even a Warden will agree with that considering what Corytheus does with a Warden if he was killed near one.
A nasty sight when Cory takes over a warden's body and starts mutating it into his new body while vomiting out Black Blood all over the body.
The way he says it represents his biggest flaw as a person, in that he's constantly making up excuses and justifications for his immoral behaviour.
Gods, I HATE that creepy little mind-rapist!!! I cannot stand how people are willing to give him a bye, just because he acts cute and innocent. Freaking "Mind-Rape Me Elmo", that's Cole.
Thanks, but I don't look at video I may see firsthand in game first. That way it's unspoiled for me when i do see it. The only videos i watch are those I've already seen (to see other dialogue paths I may not have chosen) or to enjoy a scene again without having to dig up which save I had with that cutscene preserved. Sometimes it's even to enjoy a scene I know I can never reach on my own in the game (for whatever reasons). Having Cole and Blackwall in my group won't be that onerous, it just changes his fate from "executed for his crimes" to "put your ass to work for the Inquisition making up for what you did the rest of your life".
Alright. Just thought I'd offer it if you want it. 
The irony in this post is delicious.
It blows my mind people are defending this guy. I agree the noose is probably too good for him but there isn't an option for torture so it will have to do. You don't get to come back from murdering children. That kind of behavior isn't redeemable. I would like his ass in front of skyhold ah la Vlad the Impailer style if the game was dark enough to let me, but apparently murdering kids is a few rungs down the ladder from impailing someone whilst living.
So you'd like to do something like have him be the hanging man in this concept art? 
So you'd like to do something like have him be the hanging man in this concept art?
Thom should have eaten their hearts.
Thom should have eaten their hearts.
Um...why?
Exactly like this. You're my hero! Nice find.
You're welcome.
You remember when isabella said she doesn't carry slaves in her ships? The reason she let the batch she was lied to about carrying free and is hunted for in DA2? She once transported slaves, and dumped them over board when their weight was slowing them down that they'd be captured. She dumped them, chained and all, and let them drown, helpless, in the cold dark deep.
said nothing to defend her. Blackwall openly admits he hated himself to giving the order. That, and was too much of a coward to open his mouth as his men suffered for it. So scared, he took up a new name because he saw the chance, and his old one was too tainted in his eyes. He tries constantly to help people in any small way. Should the man be punished for his crimes? Yes. But to disallow him the chance to redeem himself permits greater evils to persist.
Those damn Orlesians. If they hadn't intervene those slaves would be in the Imperium working.
So for my second playthrough now knowing the truth about blackwall (and him romancing my Josie,....petty I know) I've resided to him meeting the hangmans noose in VR. That said when I got the dialogue option to talk with him about the warden corruption. I went with "everyone but you". He was visibly pissed by this and responded with "have I given you reason to question me"?
So I've decided I will spend my time with blackwall intentionally questioning his ties to wardens. With questions like, how do you kill an arch demon? and such. How far can he be pushed before he breaks? If I get to much disapproval will he still turn himself in? I don't wanna miss him swinging from the gallows for his treachery.
He's a liar through and through. You won't get dissaproval by asking these questions but he'll just give you evasive answers. I actually caught up with his lies pretty quickly because I know alot about Grey Wardens from the first game and this guy doesn't even know what's a Calling and how Grey Wardens kill an Archdemon. Stick it with swords till it's dead, yeah, right.
Because he's such a liar and a coward I find it hard to like Blackwall as a character. He's bland and boring before his lies are revealed and rightfully hated by many after that.
Well it's been mentioned before, but Sten also murdered children. And he knew what he was doing, he was just to traumatised to stop himself. Whereas Blackwall was unaware they were there.
Then you've got Zevran, who happily murdered people for money.
Isabella who carelessly left innocents to die by the Qunari's hands whiles she scarpered with the relic.
Leiliana who actively worked to deceive and kill people as part of the 'game'.
I think you're just determined to hate him for your own personal reasons, and nothing anyone says is gong to change your mind. But once you've put things into perspective, you see that the worst part of his crime was a complete accident that he deeply regrets. I'd say dedicating his life to making the world a better place is better than needlessly killing him to fix a wrong that can't ever be righted anymore anyway.
Much like Iron Bull; Sten is up front about his background and his crimes. Sten more so in his own way. If you go to ask for the key the Mother also tells you his crimes up front. Sten is also remorseful and admits fully that he is at fault. Rotting in the cage was his way of atoning and accepting his fate. You can choose to give Sten a chance to get his "soul" back. You can also leave Sten in his cage and walk away letting the Blight eventually take him. As the game develops you learn more about Sten and his motivations but it never contradicts what he's revealed.
Zevran's has much deeper stories to tell about his first kills and how the various deaths shaped him. I wouldn't go so far as to say he happily kills people indiscriminately, but he's lately only taken the contracts of dangerous people. The Hero of Ferelden was definitely painted in that light by Loghain. He's an assassin working for the Antivan Crows (or freelance depending on how your story unfolded). Assassin's can choose who to kill or not kill. Zev is haunted by his past but he never hides it from you. It may take time for him to open up but he doesn't lie. You meet him in DA:O as he is trying to murder you. At that moment you choose to recruit him or kill him. You have the option to just kill him and move on with your game.
As for the events of Dragon Age: Those Who Speak and Isabela's confession of throwing slaves overboard. If this series has taught me anything it's simply never trust what Varric or Isabela have to say. Especially at face value. She was being interrogated by Rassan and threatened with Qamek. If Isabela was forced to take Qamek she would have been a mindless follower of the Qun. I would most definitely weave a story of sympathy to catch her captor off guard... as she did. Do you see her eye in that last panel. That's exactly what Isabela wanted to happen. To let Rassan get close so she could strike and free Varric and Alistair. The top panel was a flashback and the bottom panels were how Isabela was presenting herself to her interrogator after telling the story.
Since that story happened out of any game that anyone could play and in a Dark Horse comic I'm not so quick as to judge Isabela. You have to do your research to really learn to dislike her on the level of Blandwall (who's story is laid out for you pretty neatly without much googling involved). In the game she let 200 slaves run free into the wild. Maybe one is true, or both, or neither. Such as the games have proven when dealing with Varric and Isabela. Let's not forget to mention that she had a cameo in Dragon Age: Origins, a companion in Dragon Age 2 and featured in books after that. So clearly Isabela has gotten enough attention to warrant her a bit of a fan favorite... or at least a story worth telling.
Blandwall is sitting at the chopping block when he "decides to come clean." You've already built up rapport, a back story, maybe even a romance. Everything you've known about him prior to his character crisis has been a lie. He's been lying about who he is and what he has been about the whole time. Not only that, but he has concealed some pretty big things. He's ready now to face his crime but without involving you or the Inquisition. He gave us the treaties to potentially conscript soldiers, resources, and garner favor over people who survived the Blight. So now we have that mess to also potentially clean up.
Blandwall could've come clean much earlier, much sooner and joined the Wardens before the inquisition was even a glint in my eye (like he was supposed to) or turn himself in. He decided to hide in another man's life and lie about his death. His reasons are just excuses. He was given blood money to kill some noble and it wasn't even that he did it himself; he ordered his men to do it. Men who trusted him. He didn't have a problem with lying to his men until the noble's family was discovered and also killed. His reaction was to run leaving his men behind to take the blame. His men seemingly unaware that he had taken money or what the heck was happening.
He didn't want to be himself anymore so he became Blackwall.
He stopped one of his men from being hanged, but we don't know if any others faced punishment. Had he joined the Wardens he probably wouldn't be in a position to do that directly, but it would also have been known that Thom Rainer was conscripted into the Grey Wardens and people would've probably dropped the issue. Bitter, but dropped it. The Grey Wardens may have their secrets but the people of Thedas all generally know that joining the Grey Wardens is far from getting off lightly.
So his punishment is to be what he should have been before he took on Blackwall's identity and started to lie to everyone.
I just don't feel it. Blandwall. I think Varric even calls him Warden. Doesn't even get a clever nickname because that's the depth of Blandwall. It even has it's own sense of irony. Calling a not Warden a Warden.
So you'd like to do something like have him be the hanging man in this concept art?
I can't even get Blackwall's personal quest. He must be too scared of my Inquisitor to confess or too much of an a**hole. Can't figure out which. lol!
Right now, His character is a bit too meh for me. I can't speak for anyone else but the way he asks to be recruited and then just flat out tells me he doesn't like me during our first convo didn't sit well with me. I pretty much wanted to toss him then. I knew he had to be lying about being a Grey Warden when I asked about the voices and him offering zero knowledge on whether Cory's Dragon was an archdemon. Then when I asked about where he was during the Blight, he says he was out recruiting. That was the biggest red flag for me. I was like "Really, you were out recruiting? With what joining ritual?" perhaps I'm judging him based on his quest not showing up, it could be a glitch or I just can't get enough approval out of him. But he just isn't striking me as being remorseful. I just see him telling lies on top of more lies. I can't say what I would do with him if the quest ever does pop up for me but I doubt I would go easy on his self righteous a**. Too bad, he's a darn good tank.
Blackwall is simple.
He basically got a family killed, let his soldiers take the fall. He was a rat, a blighted bastard, a son of a ******. Constable Blackwall saw Thom Rainer and conscripted/recruited him. Then died for him. A good strong brave man, perished instead of the criminal ******* who got children murdered.
So Thom Rainer says **** life, **** all the rules. Blackwall isn't going to be dead. Thom Rainer is. I'll carry on the legacy of good that Blackwall was, giving me a chance and fighting despite the scrutiny the Wardens get.
He protects people, trains them when he can via conscription. Fights and fights and fights. Everyday is a struggle dealing with his past, his lie. He wants to redeem himself. To make amends for the murder. Information gone wrong, but still murder.
Lesser men would kill that family and merely move on. Lesser men would see Blackwall die and move onto the next tavern after selling his gear.
Blackwall tried to make amends, saving lives and what not, and finally chose that all his lies, to the Inquisitor was the breaking point. It was all dishonest, and someone else would pay for his sin. The redemption the Inquisition provides him, gives him the strength to own up to his crime.
And he berates you. For not letting him die. For not granting justice to the departed and those hurt by his attack.
Dislike Blackwall if you will, but the fact of the matter is, he killed children and he made himself pay for his crimes through effort, sweat, blood, and his life.
Sounds like you're emotionally attached to a video game character. I threw the Josie thing in for humor. And I've already stated I sent him to the wardens in my cannon playthrough but after some reflection I regret it. Say instead of some noble family it was revealed that he killed hawkes brother leaving there home, would you still be so forgiving?
When you posted this did you stop to think about the hypocrisy in going after others for emotional attachments to a video game character when a few posts above it you went on about how angry and pissed you were that a fictional video game character did fictional things?
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