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[Han Shot First]

Wait, why does the lore on storm cost hints Urthemiel is female?

 

It does? If so it is either an error or a retcon. What was said in the Storm Coast?

 

Urthemiel was referred to with male pronouns in DA:O:

 

 

 

Urthemiel was once the Tevinter god of beauty. In ancient times, he was worshiped by musicians, artists, and poets. The Feast of Urthemiel was the grandest celebration of the year, an event that lasted a full twelve days. Plays and entire symphonies were written in his honor. Now, he is a maddened husk of his former self, filled with nothing but a desire to destroy all life.

[joejoe099]

Just to clarify, I don't agree with the youtube comment I quoted. I do, however, feel the sheer amount of female protagonists who also have incredible amounts of importance to the overall state of  Thedas (including the Inquisitor, if you so choose) means that a female villain would be a little redundant and would hate to see the youtube comments then.

 

 

And Meredith was the only antagonist I actually disliked out of the three so far. Don't like Templars in general, and she took Red Lyrium and made it her thing. Ew. (Coryphefish is just there. At this point in the game I could just crush him if I wanted)

 

and she was made crazy, as is every one else, by reaper red lyrium. seems like all the women in dragon age can't be evil unless they're mislead by a man, or have had their minds completely bonkified.

[joejoe099]

Actually we do know what happens, side with the mages once to find out

 

I've actually been looking forward to doing the mages one, but since the update has been put on hold entirely, i'll have to wait. Thank you for actually making me look forward to it more!

[Steelcan]

and she was made crazy, as is every one else, by reaper red lyrium. seems like all the women in dragon age can't be evil unless they're mislead by a man, or have had their minds completely bonkified.

yeah like Marjolaine...

[The Hierophant]

Su Lu Pi are you mad or just muhsoggyknee?

This will make our dear leader Sarkeesian furious. Having a female antagonist only promotes violence against women, since it depicts women as adversaries who only seek to harm men and rewards the player for their assault with xp and loot. Nevermind the fact that one existing is highly unlikely due to the concept being a fabrication created by the patriarchy, and by extension toxic masculinity. A woman would be more than willing to seek out a peaceful resolution to a situation that's beneficial to both parties.

Inquistion would have been perfect if Calpernia (patriarchal construct) didn't exist.

[Hillbillyhat]

Actually we do know what happens, side with the mages once to find out

 

Spoiler

Actually he never does reach the city. Alexius keeps failing realizing their is a limit when it comes to messing with the rifts and time. All Cory did was take over Tevinter, invade Orlais and nearly all of Fereldan with demons. He needed the Mark on the Inquisitor's hand to properly enter the fade. Since that failed all that happened was the world being nearly consumed by the Breach and Alexius worried about dying since he can't go back in time past the breach being opened.

[ME_Fan]

When you just make crap up, like the claim about the media portraying women as protected and males as expendable, then it's easy to "explain" damn near anything.

 

 

Well if want to stay ignorant of the obvious truth then fine, I don't have time to argue with internet users.

[joejoe099]

yeah like Marjolaine...

 

that...is actually a good point, kinda. Not entirely evil, as in wanting to destroy the world as every other main villain has, but heartless in turning on friends/allies in a heartbeat if they show the slightest sign of being a threat. But good point still. Care to name another?

[ZoliCs]

Spoiler

Actually he never does reach the city. Alexius keeps failing realizing their is a limit when it comes to messing with the rifts and time. All Cory did was take over Tevinter, invade Orlais and nearly all of Fereldan with demons. He needed the Mark on the Inquisitor's hand to properly enter the fade. Since that failed all that happened was the world being nearly consumed by the Breach and Alexius worried about dying since he can't go back in time past the breach being opened.

Spoiler

Are you sure? Then what's the point of the Well of Sorrows and the Eluvian?

[joejoe099]

When you just make crap up, like the claim about the media portraying women as protected and males as expendable, then it's easy to "explain" damn near anything.

 

I mean, if we're already using 'tropes against women' then all tropes are bad, right?

[Nathair Nimheil]

Well if want to stay ignorant of the obvious truth then fine, I don't have time to argue with internet users.

Now where did see that exact sentence before? Was it from some chemtrail conspiracist? Moon landing denialist? Bigfoot hunter? UFO believer? Oh yeah! It was from all of them. But I'm sure it's totally different here.

[mikeymoonshine]

When you just make crap up, like the claim about the media portraying women as protected and males as expendable, then it's easy to "explain" damn near anything.

 

When did he say that? 

[Nathair Nimheil]

I mean, if we're already using 'tropes against women' then all tropes are bad, right?

"I saw it on TVTropes", totally a legitimate argument.

[Opag Zirsk]

This is a Catch-22 entirely. Yes, I'd like a female villain. But no, I wouldn't like one written in the way that Bioware has written Villains (not just female villains) since Origins. If there's to be a female villain in any future Dragon Age game they need to be as complex as a Loghain or any other very well written fantasy villain. And, honestly, it'd be pretty easy with the Matriarchal (swear to god, misinterpret this and I'm done) structure of at least Fereldan and Orlais to get someone with a lot of power who could abuse it for the "greater good". I'd like that. But I don't need it. I prefer to play the woman undoing all the evil. Or travel alongside them. Doesn't matter to me who that evil is, as long as I get to stab it at the end of the day. Or...spare it if I think they were justified enough.

 

 

In the end, while I am ALWAYS for equality in video games. And, even more honestly, am bored with the state of fantasy writing as it was (and many people are taking issue with). All that considered, I don't want representation for the sake of representation. Especially if the writers are going to screw it up. It needs to come organically from the plot.

[Nathair Nimheil]

When did he say that? 

7:10-7:19 in the linked video.

[Silent Fear]

When you just make crap up, like the claim about the media portraying women as protected and males as expendable, then it's easy to "explain" damn near anything.

 

From this long ass video - thats all you managed to make out of it ? Reminds me sooo much about some really "profesional" explonation how Hitman is mysogenistic becouse you could kill two female exotic dancers ...... admits the hords of males araund you have already slathered.

 

Oh look guys its Anita she fainaly found the topic ! 

SJW's UNITE AGAINST THE MYSOGENISTIC GAMERS !

 

 

P.S. Yes im heterosexual white male - aka in your dictonary im racist, mysogenistic scumbag and a rapist in the making. Godbless.

[ME_Fan]

Wow, I am actually amazed by how blind you are to this, for how many male villains are there for a single female villain in any media? How many male characters are expended without consequence in a narrative for each female that is. You're trolling clearly.

[joejoe099]

"I saw it on TVTropes", totally a legitimate argument.

 

I mean, it's not like that huge list at the bottom of the thing, showing many, many, many different forms of media doing this, or anything. Ranging from Manga, to movies, to comics, to games, etc. I mean, come on.

[Han Shot First]

"I saw it on TVTropes", totally a legitimate argument.

 

That the trope exists is true though. Males overwhelmingly make up the mooks and villains killed by the hero in games. It doesn't bother me personally, but I don't think it can be argued that it isn't a thing.

[mikeymoonshine]

7:10-7:19 in the linked video.

 

Ah ok missed that part, still i think you are misrepresenting him a bit. He seems to be saying media in general makes more of a big deal about a woman dying than a man and that men are more easily expendable, his example being mooks. It's not really the same as the claim that men (as a group) are expendable and women (as a group) are protected. 

 

The claim doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, you could argue that it isn't a problem like he thinks it is but it's hardly "made up crap". Mooks are almost always male, female deaths are usually portrayed as more tragic. This idea isn't incompatible with feminism either, a feminist would argue that this is because of patriarchal views of women as property in need of protection. 

[Nathair Nimheil]

I mean, it's not like that huge list at the bottom of the thing, showing many, many, many different forms of media doing this, or anything. Ranging from Manga, to movies, to comics, to games, etc. I mean, come on.

Sure, examples of such nonsense exist. So?

 

I am glad you agree with me, that we really do need to keep worrying about this kind of stuff.

[joejoe099]

This is a Catch-22 entirely. Yes, I'd like a female villain. But no, I wouldn't like one written in the way that Bioware has written Villains (not just female villains) since Origins. If there's to be a female villain in any future Dragon Age game they need to be as complex as a Loghain or any other very well written fantasy villain. And, honestly, it'd be pretty easy with the Matriarchal (swear to god, misinterpret this and I'm done) structure of at least Fereldan and Orlais to get someone with a lot of power who could abuse it for the "greater good". I'd like that. But I don't need it. I prefer to play the woman undoing all the evil. Or travel alongside them. Doesn't matter to me who that evil is, as long as I get to stab it at the end of the day. Or...spare it if I think they were justified enough.

 

 

In the end, while I am ALWAYS for equality in video games. And, even more honestly, am bored with the state of fantasy writing as it was (and many people are taking issue with). All that considered, I don't want representation for the sake of representation. Especially if the writers are going to screw it up. It needs to come organically from the plot.

 

Most guys just want to play a guy that fixes things too. But when most of the women in the game have the ability to survive near scar free from being a villain while all the guys you have to kill, well, something is wrong.

 

Going off topic here, women want the same rights as men, they've gotten them. Now they want to be treated better then men. You constantly hear people complain there aren't enough women in STEM programs or programming, but never say anything about say labor jobs like garbage management, construction, or even military. these are near entirely dominated by men, yet no one says anything about men actually controlling them.

[joejoe099]

Sure, examples of such nonsense exist. So?

 

I am glad you agree with me, that we really do need to keep worrying about this kind of stuff.

 

I hate the fact i care about this. I don't want to care about this. I didn't even care about this prior to people like you popping up everywhere. But a lot of people want all the positives with none of the negatives of a position. That's not happening.

[Nathair Nimheil]

women want the same rights as men, they've gotten them.

Not quite. Equality isn't about theoretical rights, it's about equal access to opportunity. This is also known as "the level playing field". A cursory examination of the statistics shows that race and gender are still fundamental influences on access to opportunity.
 

Now they want to be treated better then men.

Nonsense.
 

You constantly hear people complain there aren't enough women in STEM programs or programming

This is because STEM fields are fields of opportunity and advancement that show the strongest race/gender bias. If people are being excluded from these fields somehow, then we are failing to provide access to opportunity.