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Hmmm, point out the part were I tried to start a flamewar? You responded to me, remember?
And i am still unsure why you keep saying bye and then responding to me again. Do you know what the word bye means?
And to think you keep coming back to a thread you don't like.
You're funny. 
EDIT: Bye. *wave*
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And to think you keep coming back to a thread you don't like.
You're funny.
At this point im really just here to mess with you and pad my post count, tbh its a slow morning.
You really like those emoticons, I can tell.
I though they were genderless like darkspawn but okay then. Still doesn't take away from Mother and Meredith
Nah all of them were male. Which makes them oddities as High Dragons are female
And race and gender are also influences on economic status, yep. I did not mean to suggest that race and gender are the be all and end all of considerations, they are just the ones that some people would like to see get a free pass in gaming. "We need to stop worrying about this."
It's just that it's not always so easy to determine what the problems are when we use generalizations. Many women have more opportunities than I do, a bunch of my female friends got into Oxford university for example. They all came from wealthier families than me and they had the bonus of not being dyslexic. They also had parents who had the time to invest into supporting and motivating their studies rather than being left to struggle on like I was. Not that i blame my mother for that, she was a working single mother after all. I still have it a lot better than probably billions of other people around the world. Gender is a part of that but there are so many other factors that we either can't fix or we can't be bothered to fix.
Sometimes I wonder if we are really addressing the issues, race is a factor because ethic minorities often come from poorer communities and families, they receive sub par education because of this. Actual discrimination is also an issue but it's harder to tell the extent of that. Quotas can address the discrimination aspect but not the economic/social class aspect at least not as effectively. As for women a lot of that is still seems to be about gender norms and choices women make because of those norms. It's hard to say how best to get women more interested in jobs they are generally not interested in but I guess it would involve dismantling the gender roles, which a lot of feminists are trying to do so, good.
So really my point is that there are many angles to inequality and many factors to it. I don't think you can solve inequality for women by only looking at inequality for women, other factors intertwine with gender.
What about Kitty, or Connor?Well, maybe. See, I've never bargained with a demon once in the DA series. They'd die too fast, unless there was a long enough cutscene. I don't draw out those confrontations. My reaction to any/all demons is to give them the Boo Treatment.
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Hahahahahahahahaha, you have now said bye to me three times. Are you always this awkward with farewells? I admit i struggle with saying goodbye too, so we have that in common.EDIT: Bye. *wave*
At this point im really just here to mess with you and pad my post count, tbh its a slow morning.
You really like those emoticons, I can tell.
Well, can't really blame you for that. Kinda bored myself. Hehe.
And yes, emotics deserve my love, damnit! 
What about Kitty, or Connor?
Kitty's conversation didn't take long though, and if I could have, I would have killed it while it was still in cat form. As soon as demon's form was revealed (I did the puzzle,) I killed it when the game let me.
With Connor as a possessed child, since I did not kill want to just him or his annoying mother, I did choose the Fade route. You don't have to talk to Connor after he runs to his room. Once I was in the Fade, I didn't draw out the conversation there either. Once I saw that Desire Demon in the Fade with my Warden, I wasn't interested in bargaining.
Kitty's conversation didn't take long though, and if I could have, I would have killed it while it was still in cat form. As soon as demon's form was revealed (I did the puzzle,) I killed it when the game let me.
With Connor as a possessed child, since I did not kill want to just him or his annoying mother, I did choose the Fade route. You don't have to talk to Connor after he runs to his room. Once I was in the Fade, I didn't draw out the conversation there either. Once I saw that Desire Demon in the Fade with my Warden, I wasn't interested in bargaining.
I played all possible outcomes/choices here. I loved each and every one of them. But in the end I liked the way you played through it the best for myself as well. 
Many women have more opportunities than I do, a bunch of my female friends got into Oxford university for example.
Which is akin to saying It was cold today so no global warming.
So really my point is that there are many angles to inequality and many factors to it. I don't think you can solve inequality for women by only looking at inequality for women, other factors intertwine with gender.
I have no idea where you got the idea of "only looking at inequality for women" especially since I've already stipulated otherwise.
Why are we constantly arguing back and forth about genders on video game forums, when what we should be asking for is deeper writing on the characters of the villains?
I totally agree. I haven't seen Calpernia yet, but so far only Alexius was the only okay villain. Cory, Samson, Erimond and the Dutchess were awful. I swear even Urthemiel had better writing than this lot
I didn't expect much from Samson to be honest. His appearance just made me want to play DA2 again and look for a way for Hawke to kill him while he's still a beggar on the streets.
I totally agree. I haven't seen Calpernia yet, but so far only Alexius was the only okay villain. Cory, Samson, Erimond and the Dutchess were awful. I swear even Urthemiel had better writing than this lot
I think you get an extra quest if you get Calpernia, and it has a very 'mass effect overlord' feel to it with the end. that, and it was one of the legit hard choices to make for me at least.
I think after DA2 Bioware wanted to do something basic, not take any risks. So we ended up with a whole lot of unsympathetic evil jerks.I totally agree. I haven't seen Calpernia yet, but so far only Alexius was the only okay villain. Cory, Samson, Erimond and the Dutchess were awful. I swear even Urthemiel had better writing than this lot
More like did anyone notice how BW seems to love women in powerful positions?
Leader of Mage rebellion? Woman
Leader of Orlais? Woman
Leader of Elven uprising? Woman
Leaders of the Inquisition? 3 Women and 1 Man
Leader of the Chantry? Woman
Leader of the Grey Wardens? Woman
Notice any patterns here?
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Man, I wish there was a weekly contest for "Best Post of the Week" with prizes. Well done!
Which is akin to saying It was cold today so no global warming.
I used my personal experiences to explain why gender is not always the most important factor, I know you understand this but still I don't think the generalized way we talk about these issues are helpful. I get it though, comparing people to climate change denialists and tin foil hat conspiracy theorists is your thing, yay for you.
I think the Arishok has been the best written Villain yet in a Bioware game. Loghain was an interesting character conceptually, but the way he was handled and implemented in the game itself was terrible.
Arishok was awesome, Loghain was cool too, but my all time favourite Bioware villain is Saren
It's just that it's not always so easy to determine what the problems are when we use generalizations. Many women have more opportunities than I do, a bunch of my female friends got into Oxford university for example. They all came from wealthier families than me and they had the bonus of not being dyslexic. They also had parents who had the time to invest into supporting and motivating their studies rather than being left to struggle on like I was. Not that i blame my mother for that, she was a working single mother after all. I still have it a lot better than probably billions of other people around the world. Gender is a part of that but there are so many other factors that we either can't fix or we can't be bothered to fix.
Sometimes I wonder if we are really addressing the issues, race is a factor because ethic minorities often come from poorer communities and families, they receive sub par education because of this. Actual discrimination is also an issue but it's harder to tell the extent of that. Quotas can address the discrimination aspect but not the economic/social class aspect at least not as effectively. As for women a lot of that is still seems to be about gender norms and choices women make because of those norms. It's hard to say how best to get women more interested in jobs they are generally not interested in but I guess it would involve dismantling the gender roles, which a lot of feminists are trying to do so, good.
So really my point is that there are many angles to inequality and many factors to it. I don't think you can solve inequality for women by only looking at inequality for women, other factors intertwine with gender.
I firmly believe a lot of the issues we attribute to gender, sexuality, race, age, etc, since they are the easier dividers that are more visible to our human eyes, and the more acceptable to rage about socially, all come from wealth divides.
But the rich don't want to be poor, the poor wants to be rich, and battling money and status and power will get you nowhere unless in very specific social and economic climates (pre-revolution, where society has really gone to the dogs), people don't like to think about it.
They'd rather fight amongst themselves and belittle each other on things they have no choice over, such as gender and race, while ignoring the very powerful elephant in the room, that no one has the ability or courage to poke at. (For it is futile)
More like did anyone notice how BW seems to love women in powerful positions?
Leader of Mage rebellion? Woman
Leader of Orlais? Woman
Leader of Elven uprising? Woman
Leaders of the Inquisition? 3 Women and 1 Man
Leader of the Chantry? Woman
Leader of the Grey Wardens? Woman
Notice any patterns here?
better yet
Who gave the opportunity to the mages to serve an evil creature? A man.
Who, not only makes Orlais break up into a civil war, but divides a woman on woman couple? A man.
Who is constantly referred to as 'only there for looking pretty' even in non-cannon things? A man.
(this happened to me as rouge male human when talking with cassandra) Who's laughed at for thinking he had a shot of being divine? A man.
Who gave the grey wardens the opportunity to serve an evil creature out of fear? A man.
Who inspired all this fear in the hearts of women in the first place? A man.
I actually meant to write "Dragon Age game" in that postArishok was awesome, Loghain was cool too, but my all time favourite Bioware villain is Saren
Anything can be turned into mysgyny and patriachy, just watch:
Following the logic of the gender equality feminist supremesacists BioWare is sexist because:
The entire game is about closing a giant green vagina all across the sky, which spits evil demons out of it. It is showing a female reproductive organ as a source all evil.
The giant green vagina is created by a male antagonist. It is denying females humanity, after all women can be villians too. Meaning that women are not equally represented as human beings.
The vagina is suffering under the male gaze! It was created as a sexual object for the white male supremacists.
The "breach" was closed by a phallic beam of light which suggests that men decide fot the vagina.
Vivienne's outfit exposes her breasts to the male gaze of evil.
You can really change ANYTHING into patriachy and mysogyny. There are feminists who say that the big bang theory is sexist.
Meanwhile, I'll go off, to check my privilege.
I wouldn't mind the return of the original model. I could take or leave a male version, but hey why not? As long as the Desire Demonds aren't always represented by a naked demon chick with boobs. For those that desire power (think Seb's quest in DA2,) it should reflect that.
Would've been great if a demon of power was some sort of big bulky knight or a high dragon. Or something similar to a pride demon, since they seem to be the demons with the most power and stuff. Maybe a combination of a desire and a pride demon.
Anyway, getting off topic there so back on topic:
Personally not surprised that there's not a lot of female mooks. I've yet to find a good game that handled their mook gender ratio properly.
As far as major villains are concerned; I considered Calpernia and the duchess to be really great villains, didn't feel like the game necessarily needed more.
More like did anyone notice how BW seems to love women in powerful positions?
Leader of Mage rebellion? Woman
Leader of Orlais? Woman
Leader of Elven uprising? Woman
Leaders of the Inquisition? 3 Women and 1 Man
Leader of the Chantry? Woman
Leader of the Grey Wardens? Woman
Notice any patterns here?
Well Fiona is hardly portrayed positively as a leader.
Celene can be replaced by a man
Clarel gets killed and is yet another bad leader. She's also only the leader of the Wardens in Orlais, the leader of the wardens in Ferelden is The Warden Commander PC amd the last Warden Commander in Ferelden was a man.
There are a lot of female leaders in Inquisition but Thedas is not lacking male leaders at all. Orlais seems to be one of the most egalitarian nations when it comes to politics.
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I kept a straight face until this one, then I lost it. Im getting dirty looks from people now, because of the laughter.The vagina is suffering under the male gaze! It was created as a sexual object for the white male supremacists.
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