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[AzureAardvark]

People of action get stuff done, we don't dally around with silliness .

 

Dude, get over yourself.

[Sully13]

Face it, only a total sjw would make a thread like this.

Also, the opposite of sjw is a person(male or female) of action. People of action get stuff done, we don't dally around with silliness .

Dude you dont fu*king know me if you did you'd be laughing your ass off.

how is wanting more women to kill in a game a feking SJW act?

those arseholes can go back tothere feking twitter echochambers.

and try to come up whith 25 feking privelages that arnt shite that was just rehashes of the same thing 5 times.

[Heimdall]

But how is that not inequality in action? Men are pressured to seek power while women are not or are not pressured as much or actually pressured not to seek power or some combination of that. In what way is that society still "egalitarian"?

That is a great question.

Its a difference, an inequality in the most absolute sense of the term. When you spoke of "inequity in underlying systems", I assumed you were referring to things of a more formal and institutional nature, the "system", not the vague workings of ingrained cultural pressures. The truth is that, taking that absolute standard to its logical extremity, an egalitarian society cannot exist unless every single person is treated exactly the same way, recieves exactly the same upbringing, exactly the same expectations, and exactly the same education. For good measure, eliminate all notions of "feminine" and "masculine", and the concept of race. Then we'd be sure that everything was equal because nobody would be treated differently, there would be no categories to lump people into. It'd be equal, but I'm not sure how many people would go for it. The problem is that even the smallest difference in treatment can be construed as an inequality if you try hard enough. Such social groupings have no place in a totally equal society.

For that reason, I have to see egalitarianism as a spectrum, and I think a society with the mentioned cultural pressures remains firmly within the spectrum provided there is no official or systemic limitations on individuals of said group based upon their group, those limitations not extending to cultural pressures unless they explicitly and vehemently discourage one group from opportunities another isn't discouraged from. I don't think that's the case here.

[Sully13]

Spoken like a true sjw.

LoL 

better not tell that to my MRA mates ill lose my privalages.

[Nathair Nimheil]

we don't dally around with silliness .

Apparently not, you just dive straight into the deep end.

[Britcorp]

Apparently not, you just dive straight into the deep end.

And found that you were already there.

[Sully13]

no thats me i am tempted to post a dead baby joke like i useualy do..but nah.

[The Hierophant]

Dude you dont fu*king know me if you did you'd be laughing your ass off.
how is wanting more women to kill in a game a feking SJW act?
those arseholes can go back tothere feking twitter echochambers.
and try to come up whith 25 feking privelages that arnt shite that was just rehashes of the same thing 5 times.

This taste... It's of a liar...

Su Lu Pi?

[hong]

Are you talking about the mooks?
 
Mooks are always predominantly male. That's the case in nearly every game. If you're talking about major characters though, Corypheus' second-in-command is female if you choose the Templar path.

Guild Wars was different in this regard, being very scrupulous about human gender balance. No female charr (evil monster race), but plenty of female human bandits, soldiers, gang members etc. However, they implemented the split on class lines, so all elementalists for faction X would be male, all warriors female, and so on. Was a bit strange to have a cutscene with a leader addressing a regiment of warriors, and all of them were girls.

[Sully13]

This taste... It's of a liar...

Su Lu Pi?

LOL

but hot mind you.

anyhoo i have mindless posts to make.

[OHB MajorV]

10 high dragons.

I was getting ready to say this. Biology says in most species the females grow much larger and dangerous.

[Nathair Nimheil]

For good measure, eliminate all notions of "feminine" and "masculine", and the concept of race.

For good measure? I'd call those good starting points, things we should already be looking back on and remembering with shame.
 

Then we'd be sure that everything was equal because nobody would be treated differently, there would be no categories to lump people into. It'd be equal, but I'm not sure how many people would go for it. The problem is that even the smallest difference in treatment can be construed as an inequality if you try hard enough. Such social groupings have no place in a totally equal society.

I don't see why that's a problem or why anyone would "not go for it." Who do you think really wants to be lumped into arbitrary groups rather than decide for themselves where they belong?

And no, we could never achieve an perfectly egalitarian society but so what? We can certainly do better and that will probably always be true. If we were suddenly to arrive at a point where no significant improvement were reasonably possible I would hardly consider that a defeat.
 

For that reason, I have to see egalitarianism as a spectrum, and I think a society with the mentioned cultural pressures remains firmly within the spectrum provided there is no official or systemic limitations on individuals of said group based upon their group, those limitations not extending to cultural pressures unless they explicitly and vehemently discourage one group from opportunities another isn't discouraged from. I don't think that's the case here.

I'm not sure to which "here" you are referring but I would point out that 95% of F500 are "White" men. For an egalitarian society some are still much more equal than others.

[Nathair Nimheil]

I think I love you, but only a little.

OK but you pay full price either way.

[General TSAR]

I'm down with adding more Female enemy NPCs to kill in gruesome ways like their Male counterparts.

[Toasted Llama]

For good measure? I'd call those good starting points, things we should already be looking back on and remembering with shame.
 

I don't see why that's a problem or why anyone would "not go for it." Who do you think really wants to be lumped into arbitrary groups rather than decide for themselves where they belong?

And no, we could never achieve an perfectly egalitarian society but so what? We can certainly do better and that will probably always be true. If we were suddenly to arrive at a point where no significant improvement were reasonably possible I would hardly consider that a defeat.
 

I'm not sure to which "here" you are referring but I would point out that 95% of F500 are "White" men. For an egalitarian society some are still much more equal than others.

Just getting a bit curious here, but do you think sexual dimorphism exists in humans?

[Heimdall]

For good measure? I'd call those good starting points, things we should already be looking back on and remembering with shame.

I don't see why that's a problem or why anyone would "not go for it." Who do you think really wants to be lumped into arbitrary groups rather than decide for themselves where they belong?
And no, we could never achieve an perfectly egalitarian society but so what? We can certainly do better and that will probably always be true. If we were suddenly to arrive at a point where no significant improvement were reasonably possible I would hardly consider that a defeat.

The problem is that people define themselves and their identity according to their differences as much as their similarities. People like forming groups as much as they like breaking away from them, they like differentiating themselves from others and taking pride in their distinction. That doesn't work in a totally equal society. Try telling someone they need to stop practicing their religion because it encourages values that could lead to inequality, try telling them exactly what they are and are not allowed to teach their children, it wouldn't go over well and it's a slippery slope to start down. I'm not just trying to say there's a limit of effectiveness, I'm saying there's a point were I'd stop calling it "improvement".

I'm very cynical about "equality", if you haven't noticed.

I'm not sure to which "here" you are referring but I would point out that 95% of F500 are "White" men. For an egalitarian society some are still much more equal than others.

I was speaking of the hypothetical society in which the aforementioned cultural pressures were the only difference.

I still don't think that's necessarily an indication of some anything sinister. In a world where race and gender are meaningless, that could still happen. There's no reason success must be equally distributed. That said, I was recently told about how long on average it takes a family to climb from the bottom of the social ladder to the top. On average, it's a process of centuries. So I wouldn't be expecting things to change that quickly even with the official barriers removed if I were you.

[Sully13]

I'm down with adding more Female enemy NPCs to kill in gruesome ways like their Male counterparts.

Kinda was my point.

[Nathair Nimheil]

Just getting a bit curious here, but do you think sexual dimorphism exists in humans?

Absolutely.

 

Now, should I wait for it or should I just jump straight into overlapping bell curves and equality of opportunity?

[Adanu]

<--Feminist and I have no clue anymore myself.  A villain is a villain, and the gender of them hasn't bothered me either way.  Some villains are men, some are women.  In this case, it was a man for one of the main paths.

 

You can be a feminist while retaining a sense of humor as well as a sense of perspective.   We're not all scary, we don't all hate men, we don't always agree with uber feminist blogs.   It's become a dirty word, unfortunately.   

 

When it comes to the game,  I've been too busy taking out red templars and high dragons to notice what gender they are.  And it depends upon the path anyhow.  Choose the templars over the mages early on and the second-in-command to the Bad Guy is indeed is a woman.

 

Male, female, if they are the villain, they are dead by my Cadash's arrows.  Just like anyone else.  

 

You might have a chance of becoming a legitimately good movement again if you can take your organized groups back from the radicals. As it is, you're being led by man hating profiteers.

[Sully13]

You might have a chance of becoming a legitimately good movement again if you can take your organized groups back from the radicals. As it is, you're being led by man hating profiteers.

True that.

but this was realy just about the grunts you kill.