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[Captain_Crunch]

I enjoyed DA2 quite a bit, but that's probably because I played it on super casual mode - which meant I was able to skip a good 20-30 hours worth of wading through the endless mobs in the game.  

 

 

I hated the forced ending (wish I could have just had Anders/Justice leave my party early on - I hated the guy), but I thought the companion quests were better than DAI.  Not to mention the fact that people and the story actually acknowledged your romance in 2 - it felt completely irrelevant in DAI.  I loved the banter about Merril and I among the party in the second game.    

[AlanC9]

Movies are a good way to illustrate this. How many people do you know that think movie critics "know nothing"? I know a lot of people who feel that way. But of course movie critics DO know something. Good movie critics know if a script is well written, if the acting is convincing, if the cinematography is good, if the sound-track works properly with the content, etc. etc. They can't tell you how much you'll enjoy a movie, but they can tell you if, objectively, the movie is "good". But many, many people think that because they absolutely loved some truly terrible movie that the critics know nothing and that the movie was "great".

OTOH, I remember a big-time critic -- maybe A.O. Scott, maybe J. Hoberman -- saying that the only truly bad films are boring ones. His point was that whatever technical faults you can find with Ed Wood's films, they're never boring, and therefore they aren't actually bad.

[EmissaryofLies]

DA Ii is a great game. It would be my favorite in the franchise if I wasn't forced to play a human.

[EVILFLUFFMONSTER]

DAII could have been amazing. We know its flaws, even those of us that loved it, like I do.

 

I cant comment on Dragon Age Inquisition accurately till I have played it more, but it looks like the gameplay and game world are much better. I want to be able to empathise with my inquisitor, and I want a good story with strong emotional ties to the inquisitor and other characters. If they pull that off I will be a very happy bunny.

 

One of my main problems with male Hawke was a lack of emotion sometimes. It was hard to care about things in the story when it didnt feel like he cared either..I put some of that down to technical limitations too though, reaction shots and camera angles were harder to implement.

[taranoire]

DAII could have been amazing. We know its flaws, even those of us that loved it, like I do.

 

 

It could have been so amazing. 

 

But didn't they have to make the whole thing in like, nine months? That's barely enough time for a baby to cook. 

[LinksOcarina]

It could have been so amazing. 

 

But didn't they have to make the whole thing in like, nine months? That's barely enough time for a baby to cook. 

 

eighteen, by most accounts, a year and a half.

 

Considering what came out...I always found it fairly impressive. Not necessarily good, but still.

[ReadingRambo220]

People that matter? If you're trying to make classic CRPG fans look like jerks, this is the way.

I agree, as a classic crpg fan that post pissed me off.

[taranoire]

eighteen, by most accounts, a year and a half.

 

Considering what came out...I always found it fairly impressive. Not necessarily good, but still.

 

Basically. 

 

If it had been published under any company but EA, people would be kinder to it. Its most glaring faults came not from lack of effort, but from lack of resources and time. In indie environments these things are acceptable. 

[Jock Cranley]

 

Thank God we're not all as asinine and fun-sucking as you then 

 

 

Psh fight me.  My fun-sucking asininery knows no bounds.

 

It could have been so amazing. 

 

But didn't they have to make the whole thing in like, nine months? That's barely enough time for a baby to cook. 

 

This stuff kinda drives me nuts.

 

You're not the dev's friend, you're not on their team, you're not an apologist. You're a customer. You should use what you get as the basis of your opinions, not excuses for what you didn't get. I know DA2 was rushed and I don't care. It was still horribly disappointing. If you went to the store and bought a cake and you opened it up to find a bunch of raw batter, would you make excuses for the store?

 

Believe or not, you don't get any cookies being supportive of a developer after a shoddy release. You don't get any anything. If anything, you enable them for future shoddy releases. I'm not here to give moral support, I'm here for quality product and I don't see any reason why I should be content with excuses for lack thereof. 

 

I'll praise when and where I think praise is due. DA:I is solid-not awesome, but solid-and DA2 was much less than solid.  Hell, it stripped loads of features that fans lauded in its predecessor.  Compared to its predecessor, it was almost unrecognizable. DA:O was a tactical RPG and DA2 was something of a half-baked spectacle fighter. There were just too many core design decisions that were a bit bonkers to really get behind it.

[taranoire]

 

 

 

 

Psh fight me.  My fun-sucking asininery knows no bounds.

 

 

This stuff kinda drives me nuts.

 

You're not the dev's friend, you're not on their team, you're not an apologist. You're a customer. You should use what you get as the basis of your opinions, not excuses for what you didn't get. I know DA2 was rushed and I don't care. It was still horribly disappointing. If you went to the store and bought a cake and you opened it up to find a bunch of raw batter, would you make excuses for the store?

 

Believe or not, you don't get any cookies being supportive of a developer after a shoddy release. You don't get any anything. If anything, you enable them for future shoddy releases. I'm not here to give moral support, I'm here for quality product and I don't see any reason why I should be content with excuses for lack thereof. 

 

I'll praise when and where I think praise is due. DA:I is solid-not awesome, but solid-and DA2 was much less than solid.  Hell, it stripped loads of features that fans lauded in its predecessor.  Compared to its predecessor, it was almost unrecognizable. DA:O was a tactical RPG and DA2 was something of a half-baked spectacle fighter. There were just too many core design decisions that were a bit bonkers to really get behind it.

 

 

You're making an awful lot of assumptions there that I really don't have time for. 

 

DA2 was hardly raw batter. It was a slightly underwhelming cake with maybe two layers and vanilla frosting, but it still tasted fine. And yes, I'm genuinely disappointed that it wasn't spectacular. I'm sad that it wasn't, because I enjoyed it as it is, and I feel like the story and characters deserved better. Regardless of the outcome it did sincerely make an attempt to do something different with the genre. 

 

Game design requires a lot of coordinated effort on multiple levels. DA2 suffered from a lack of this. I acknowledge that. And I agree that we should demand quality. Which is why I've expressed, multiple times, that I wish it had been given the opportunity for such. It's still one of my favorite games, whether that's a pleasure I should feel guilty about or not. I simply choose not to feel guilty. 

[sch1986]

DA2 was my favorite in the series...

I liked the companions better..

I liked Hawke better...

I liked the story better.

Did da2 have it's flaws? Certainly. But to me they were technical issues that had they been fixed I think would have saved DA2 from a lot of hate. People always hold DAO up as the shining example in this series... Does nobody remember the mute warden? How he/she used to just stupidly nod his head or shrug his shoulders at every stupid thing?

[taranoire]

Did da2 have it's flaws? Certainly. But to me they were technical issues that had they been fixed I think would have saved DA2 from a lot of hate. People always hold DAO up as the shining example in this series... Does nobody remember the mute warden? How he/she used to just stupidly nod his head or shrug his shoulders at every stupid thing?

 

Or the battle speed. Or the brown tint to everything. Or the way the ground would inexplicably be shiny for no reason. Or the way dungeons would drag on and on and on (hello, the Fade, anyone?). Or the recycled environments. MAGE COWLS. (See, I can play this game too.) 

[Sevitan7]

Or the battle speed.

 

That sure is valid criticism of Origins.

[taranoire]

That sure is valid criticism of Origins.

 

I'm just saying it would've been nice to have had an option. 

[Finis Valorum]

If they ever go into remakes, like say the Monkey Island games, I expect DA2 to do a lot better.

DA2 was mainly let down by Kirkwall and it's stale and dull environments. Combat, gameplay and customization options for Hawke were all an improvement over DA:O while companions were mostly on par with those of DA:O. In the end I slightly preferred DA:O's companions mostly because they had the better and better handled romances.

 

Overall DA2 had a better cast of companions (though DA:I does have Dorian and the cast of DA:O is still the best, IMO). But most importantly and I know this has been said before, but the companion in DA2 actually felt like Hawke's friends to me, as opposed to the henchmen, minions and employees of DA:I. Now maybe that vibe is deliberate, maybe the Inquisitor is meant to embody the loneliness at the top to a certain extent but given a choice I prefer to be friends with at least some of my companions as opposed to having a very cordial, but ultimately still businesslike relationship with them.

 

The two story DLC's, but Legacy in particular, were leagues better than the main game and do show the potential it could have had and that's why I'm sad they decided to scrap the third and final story DLC for it (and gave us Asunder instead).

 

DA:I has great potential too but at the moment is let down by a ton of bugs, greatly inferior customization options, some poor design decisions and bad console port that's supposed to pass for a "PC" version.

 

I do like Hawke slightly better as a protagonist compared to the inquisitor, but that mostly comes down to the fact that Hawke's character was better fleshed out. If

[Hyponin]

I must admit that my opinion is heavily biased because DA2 was the first dragon age and the first Xbox 360 game i ever played. I played it like this: DA2-DA:O-DA:I

 

All the games were very different, i am not too sure how do describe it but they have all changed in major ways.

 

DA:O had a solid story and good cast but it felt very rushed and quite stereotypical, 4 main quests which mostly involved fantasy stereotypes such as elves who live in the forest or elves that are servants and lower class to humans, Dwarves who lived underground and had a major fascination with money etc...

I am a completionist in every way but to be honest i only did a few side quests here and there, why did i have help someone steal from nobles? did it help my cause? no it did not.

 

Overall i liked DA:O, i have completed it twice and that is probably all i will.

 

DA2 has a believable story and a amazing cast but it reused areas and it was basically only there to serve as something to lead up to inquisition. 

Most characters in this game can be summed up with two words: A survivor, This i could relate to, not because i have overcome anything bad or terrible but because it is realistic in most ways. Your town gets destroyed? protect your family, A family member dies? you grieve,move on and help the remaining ones, You have to work your ass of just to live in a shitty house? you do it to put a roof over your family's head.

I liked every character even though most had traits i do not like, they all just had something about them like Isabella, she was more of a flirt than Varric and i did not like that at first but learning about her motives and feelings i really grew to like her .

( i wish that they added a achievement for doing every side quest, because i did ;D )

 

I have completed the game four times.

 

 

I can't say too much about DA:I as i have not got too far into it, i accidentally spent 20 hours in the Hinterlands but i do not feel very engaged with the characters.

The romance is amazing it has obviously been the best so far but i find myself not really caring about the characters themselves and more about if they are my friend etc..

I enjoy the combat although i must admit i have not used tactical camera yet. (i doubt i will)

I love all of the dialogue options and perks as i think that was a really big improvement, i miss the dominant tone thing though.

 

I think in the end i like inquisition more than origins but less than DA2, i do not feel that the inquisitor is fleshed out as the previous protagonists.

 

 

 

In the end i like that all games are extremely different and have a different protagonist, each character gives a unique quality to the game and they really do make you feel special in each game however as much as i would like to see some companions again i hope they do not bring anyone back in the next DA, Hawke and Varric did not work out in this game so i think it makes it pretty clear that reviving characters is not something worth doing next time.

 

 

(sorry for rambling or not making sense, writing at 4am is not something i will attempt again )

[dlux]

DA:O >> DA2 >> DA:I

 

Dragon Age 2 is the better game. The world in DA2 wasn't very detailed, the areas were recycled and the encounter design was pretty bad, but the combat is clearly superior in that game and it is not bloated with huge empty and lifeless areas full of busywork filler content.

 

The Dragon Age franchise is progressively declining in quality. The more EA trys to "fix" what was never broken the worse it gets.

[TheChris92]

I prefer 'save the world' plots over the more personal ones. DA:I was far more epic on a scale, however, I do miss the more evolved story that DA2 had. Each quest felt like it played a part in the overall arch, versus DA:I where there were main quests that had to do with the story, then the side quests, which were fairly detached from the plot. I think both games had there strong points. DA:I made me appreciate more of the elements in DA2 looking back, however, I sill believe that Inquisition is the better game overall. 

Side quest being detached from the plot?! HOLY ****!

[TheChris92]

It seems like a common sense of Stockholm Syndrome or something, in regards to sequels not living up to certain individuals expectations, and thus previous games that might have not been appealing at all previously are suddenly glorified gems. This is nothing new really, I've noticed it a lot with other franchises. I'm sure Mass Effect 3 will be a masterful piece-of-work by the time ME4, for those that didn't like the former to begin with, and they'll come to the realization that they don't quite like where the franchise is going. I'm actually kinda surprised this has hasn't happend with say.. Hideo Kojima yet, perhaps it's because it's BioWare we are talking about here, where the fans are in a different league of 'passionate-opinionated' Although, I wouldn't have thought it should change much. Anyway, I liked DA2 because of Hawke, whereas everything else was just rubbish, the story was non-existent (because there wasn't any), it's a faffing about-simulator, it's a holding pattern, that's what it is. It's like a Rolling Stones concert, where the Stones refuse to come out, and thus the concert hosts would try to keep the public entertained by showing old episodes of the Flintstones on an ancient old telly.

[Myrmedus]

I have to wonder if the writers actually have any kind of plan for the darkspawn in the long-term for the series. I'd like to think that at some point, there's going to be some kind of resolution. Personally, I'd hate to just see them remain a never-ending threat to Thedas for all time. But it's the fact that they seem never-ending that makes it hard to maintain focus on them throughout an entire series, though this game seems to be leaning back toward something involving darkspawn, should the reveal of the mystery of Weisshaupt confirm my suspicions.

 

In any case, I think the fact that focus changed so quickly in DA2 makes a great deal of sense, considering that the Fifth Blight was unique in that it was exceptionally short, and the rest of the world didn't feel its effects beyond the influx of refugees.

Well, I sincerely hope not because the lore behind the Darkspawn is important IMO and intertwines with all the other lore in Thedas ie. Gods, the Chantry, the Mage problem, the Fade, the Black City etc. Corypheus answers some of this but there's a great deal still left unanswered.

And the thing is, the story of the Blight only really scratches the surface of the Darkspawn. Heck, we had an entire expansion focused on the Darkspawn after said Blight. They had alot to still be going on with I feel.

[sch1986]

Or the battle speed. Or the brown tint to everything. Or the way the ground would inexplicably be shiny for no reason. Or the way dungeons would drag on and on and on (hello, the Fade, anyone?). Or the recycled environments. MAGE COWLS. (See, I can play this game too.)

Omg- the damn fade. I HATED that place in DA:O. And I'm so happy I'm not the only one who hated the incredibly long dungeons. I wasn't going to say it because I think that aspect is something a lot of people actually missed about DA:O, but I don't miss it one bit. I used to actually avoid the main story quests unless I knew I had 5 or 6 hours to devote to them.

I get that DA2 and DAI have shorter stories and how that can be a disappointment- but I do NOT want da:o style main quests back. I'm sorry but a handful of 6 hour long main story missions does not necessarily make a better story. I remember playing those quests and saying to myself "I can't believe I'm still: (in the fade/saving red cliffe/at the circle tower/settling a Dalish-wolf war/ETC.)"

And to the person that commented about looking back after being disappointed and suddenly loving the game (unless your referring to DA:O?)- I have always loved DA2. There wasn't any looking back about it. I'm just not that person that cared that much about the recycled maps and "dull environments." Pretty graphics are a plus but it isn't enough to make a great game. The only real regret I ever had was that DA2 wasn't longer.

[Spirited Treasure]

I might be wrong, but after I saw a few comments in dozens of threads in this section, it's raising the question if people just miss Hawke and not the game, cause quite frankly, the game was really rushed and bad,

I prefer DA:O, One dear to me prefers DA:2.

I did not like the family shmamily of DA:2 but Varric and Isabella rocked, also Fenris was the best romance in Dragon Age 1 or 2. IMO.
He feels that Hawke was left hanging and done so again at the end of inquisition. After one becomes invested in a character they want to know what happened. We both feel the combat was better in DA:2 and that it has gone backwards in Inquisition. I have issues with the healing in it as well as lack of potions.

I greatly disliked the letch Duncan, so there you have it.

[TripGodblossom]

DA2 is the cheapest triple A game I've ever played. The environment re-use is just unforgivable. That is an objective fault - not a creative decision open to subjective opinion but a gaping wound, an elephant in the room, a genuine abject failure.

 

Subjectively I could talk about laughable scenes in service of its nonsensical plot, combat spawns that resemble side-scrolling beat 'em ups or the lifeless city environment, but the others have already done a fine job of those criticisms.

 

The worst part of Inquisition is that it takes its lead straight from DA2. However there is no comparison between the two objectively because Inquisition is a finished game and DA2 was barely half there. 

[LinksOcarina]

im curious to see someone do a speedrun thru both games (no exploits) and see which one takes longer to complete

 

While I haven't done a speedrun or anything, I remember finishing Dragon Age 2 under 25 hours in one playthrough before. By comparison, the Original Dragon Age was done in around 20 hours as well.

 

I would assume if one were to do only the main questline of Inquisition, it would be comparable to those. Almost every BioWare game can be done in roughly 20 hours or less because of how they are designed, from what ive noticed.

[Yulia]

My opinion is DA:I is better, however I like DAII as well. I see why people ate on DAII but you know, oh well lol. They're all a matter of opinions, none is right or wrong. I know DA:O wans't an option but that will still be my favorite unless the next DA game is better. what sucks is DA:I did not have a character I felt close to like DAII or DA:O. None DA:O had Morrigan, (sadly not enough of her in DA:I and DAII had Isabella (omg I loved her! lol)