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[Aravasia]

I prefer 'save the world' plots over the more personal ones. DA:I was far more epic on a scale, however, I do miss the more evolved story that DA2 had. Each quest felt like it played a part in the overall arch, versus DA:I where there were main quests that had to do with the story, then the side quests, which were fairly detached from the plot. I think both games had there strong points. DA:I made me appreciate more of the elements in DA2 looking back, however, I sill believe that Inquisition is the better game overall. 

[Hazegurl]

DA:I is superior to DA2 in terms of environments, PC importance, companion variety, and epic story.

DA2 is superior to DA:I in terms of things to do in said environment, closer companionship, and a tighter narrative.

 

My biggest problem with DA:I is not that the environments are big but that there is nothing to do in them but errand boy fetch quests and collectables. I wish each environment had a story to tell. If they must offer side quests and collectibles then fine but give me a consistent reason to spend time in each area before pushing me off to another. Instead you're told you have to do something, you do it then you're just free to roam about endlessly.

 

If DA2 hadn't reused environments, made Kirkwall look like an actual city, like something out of it's concept art

Spoiler

 

And told an actual rise to power story within a corrupt city then it would had been much better or on par with DA:I.

[Nyaore]

DA:I is superior to DA2 in terms of environments, PC importance, companion variety, and epic story.

DA2 is superior to DA:I in terms of things to do in said environment, closer companionship, and a tighter narrative.

 

My biggest problem with DA:I is not that the environments are big but that there is nothing to do in them but errand boy fetch quests and collectables. I wish each environment had a story to tell. If they must offer side quests and collectibles then fine but give me a consistent reason to spend time in each area before pushing me off to another. Instead you're told you have to do something, you do it then you're just free to roam about endlessly.

 

Most of the areas in DAI do have a story to tell. The problem is that it's told in environmental accents and notes, very rarely to your face and very - very - rarely does it have anything to do with the main plot.

[wright1978]

I might be wrong, but after I saw a few comments in dozens of threads in this section, it's raising the question if people just miss Hawke and not the game, cause quite frankly, the game was really rushed and bad, 

 

I still think DA2 companions are stronger than DAI ones. Visually and environmentally DAI is vastly superior but Hawke and company's story in DA2 was very enjoyable.

[BlacJAC74]

Some people will claim to prefer anything over a current game.  It's how some gamers work.  I remember Oblivion being blasted when it was first released by the people on the Beth forums, but when Skyrim was released, those same people were raving about Oblivion.

 

You seen it on here when ME2 was released, it wasn't ME.  Now ME2 is regarded as the best one by many.

 

DA:I will be talked up whenever BioWare release the next DA.

 

Apart from one or 2 things and dlc aside, DA:I is superior in every other way to DA2.

[Zeroth Angel]

People have different opinions OP.

 

Even though I will never understand liking DA2 more than DA:O or DA:I but that's just me.

[Cid Revolution]

I won't even pretend to understand the hate surrounding DA2. I'm sure you all have your reasons, and I respect that since everyone has their own preferences and opinions. But me personally? DA2 has consistently been my most-played game since it's release. It's a good game, with great characters, entertaining quests, and fun battle mechanics. I really do prefer it to DAI, and that's most likely because I've spent so much time hanging around Hawke and his friends. They grew on me and now I miss them in DAI. Varric just isn't the same as he used to be, and Hawke's cameo is too fleeting and hollow. What I wouldn't give for another adventure with the Champion and his followers before all this nasty business with the rift and the Mage rebellion....

DAI is a great game and it deserves praise. But just like the players who are nostalgic for DAO and feel like nothing can ever compare to it, I feel the same way about DA2. The fact is, nothing can ever replace or replicate nostalgia. The memories, the feelings, and the experiences are unique. The fact that DAI keeps revisiting the old characters and stories from previous games is what makes it even harder to just let go and let the novelty radiate with it's own brilliance.

[wright1978]

DA:I is superior to DA2 in terms of environments, PC importance, companion variety, and epic story.

DA2 is superior to DA:I in terms of things to do in said environment, closer companionship, and a tighter narrative.

 

My biggest problem with DA:I is not that the environments are big but that there is nothing to do in them but errand boy fetch quests and collectables. I wish each environment had a story to tell. If they must offer side quests and collectibles then fine but give me a consistent reason to spend time in each area before pushing me off to another. Instead you're told you have to do something, you do it then you're just free to roam about endlessly.

 

If DA2 hadn't reused environments, made Kirkwall look like an actual city, like something out of it's concept art

Spoiler

 

And told an actual rise to power story within a corrupt city then it would had been much better or on par with DA:I.

 

Agree completely with everything you said.

[Veloric Wu]

Are we really comparing a game that took at least 5 years of development and one that kept using the same tilesets and argue that the later is a better game? 

[Hazegurl]

Most of the areas in DAI do have a story to tell. The problem is that it's told in environmental accents and notes, very rarely to your face and very - very - rarely does it have anything to do with the main plot.

True, and also most of those stories were very uninteresting and gave no reason as to why I should waste time doing it.

 

"Read a note about two lovers, pick flowers, place on the X."

 

Only one area had a clear Inquisition related reason to spend time on the map. Liberating the area from the Red Templars and clearing out the Red Lyrium quarry.  Some areas offered no solid reason at all to even go to the location. "Some dude named Fairbanks got some info for you but you have to go in person." lol! Yeah right.   That could have been a war table mission.

 

The best example of DA:I doing better with a more closed environment was Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts.

[ApocAlypsE007]

I prefer DA2 to DAI atm. Why? because DA2 is actually working fine and stable.

[earl of the north]

I'm one of the strange breed of Bioware fans that liked both DAO and DA2, DA2 had problems mainly with combat waves, reused enviroments and the mess that was act 3. But it also enjoyable to play, had great companions, banter and had a well rounded main character and despite its faults I still played it repeatedly and unlike DAO it made playing a mage actually fun, my DAO mages all ended up as arcane warriors.

 

DAI is pressing DAO for best DA game for me and may surpass it if we have an expansion and a load of story DLC (especially some Dwarf and Qunari)....unlike DAO its easier to see continuing stories for the Inquisitor and Inquisition as the Warden/Grey Wardens your not limited to blights. 

 

Also one of the main complaints about DA2 is you cannot stop Anders from sparking the mage rebellion, while true up to a point  would a game set just before WW2 be bad because you couldn't stop WW2.

[CreepingShadow]

DA2 was a complete trainwreck, between the lackluster story, the f*ck-up protagonist, the recycled areas (in which thet didn't even bother to change the mini-map for blocked of passages), and the poor gameplay, I have a hard time believing anybody could favor it over Inquisition. Inquisition is fantastic, sure it isn't as good as Origins, but Origins set an extremely high bar, that it would be unfair to expect them to outdue it. The only good thing DA2 had was the lovely Isabela.

[Ieldra]

No I don't. Prefer DA2 that is.

 

DA2: horrible combat encounter design, reused environments, good but extremely stereotypical companions, relatively small world.

DAI: ok to excellent combat encounter design, beautiful and unique environments, very lifelike companions that feel like real people, huge world.

 

The one thing DA2 has going for it is its very focused and personal story, and that, as everyone knows, was not universally liked. DAI's story has a bigger scope and it's spread over much more non-main-plot content, so it isn't really comparable in a way that you could say one is better than the other. I like both stories, but DAI is vastly superior in almost everything else.

 

As for the technical problems: Such are fleeting, most of the time. A botched patch may cause some short-term annoyance, but a bad story or world remains. I'd rather have a story that doesn't force disagreeable messages on me and doesn't make me feel betrayed but takes a few weeks to patch into a usable state, than the other way round. I'm so relieved DAI is so unlike ME3 in the things that matter to me most that I'm willing to to put up with a lot of technical crap.

[Nyaore]

True, and also most of those stories were very uninteresting and gave no reason as to why I should waste time doing it.

 

"Read a note about two lovers, pick flowers, place on the X."

 

Only one area had a clear Inquisition related reason to spend time on the map. Liberating the area from the Red Templars and clearing out the Red Lyrium quarry.  Some areas offered no solid reason at all to even go to the location. "Some dude named Fairbanks got some info for you but you have to go in person." lol! Yeah right.   That could have been a war table mission.

 

The best example of DA:I doing better with a more closed environment was Wicked Eyes, Wicked Hearts.

Won't argue that, just saying you pointed out you wanted them to have a story to tell and that they did. Whether it's any good is up for debate.

[Eterna]

DA2 had better side quests and a larger main story, I thought the PC/companion relationships were much better. Companions actually felt like your friends as opposed to your employees like they do in Inquisition. 

 

I think from an objective point of view Inquisition is the better game, but for me DA2 is a better Dragon Age game. 

[dirk5027]

DA2 rocks !!!   Apostitutes !!   Love me some Isabella and male Hawke

 

 

 

 

Combat was a blast, dai finished as a rogue it was ok, now doing a warrior pretty boring actually

[AWTEW]

Are we really comparing a game that took at least 5 years of development and one that kept using the same tilesets and argue that the later is a better game?

I think its more that in DA2 the story was better,mand the characters more fleshed out. (and no hours of mindless grinding just to get power points to do the main story). And DAi had only a handful of bugs compared to inquisition at launch

DAI feels like a hollowed out Mess, that can't make up its mind: if it wants to be a sandbox, or not.

DA2 felt like a clunky recycled game, but the story was much better crafted. Also Legacy is a great DLC and shows what could have been achived if they had more time.

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I prefer DA2 to DAI atm. Why? because DA2 is actually working fine and stable.

and hasn't broken peoples consoles..

#R.I.P PS3

[ReadingRambo220]

I greatly preferred the combat of DA2 to DAI. And not because of the flashiness of it, but that it flowed more smoothly. It also had fantastic tactics and is easily enough modded.
I also greatly enjoyed the personal stories. The Side quests were very touching as well. Trying to save Thrasks daughter was so sad for instance. The companions seemed so connected to my character as well. Watching Isabella and Avelines banter grow from hatred to grudging respect to actual friendship was endearing. There were many things I loved about DA 2, but there was of course the bad stuff which has been gone over many times.

I personally enjoyed the game more than DAI due to the many technical and control issues I'm having, as of this latest patch my game refuses to load, can't connect to EA servers to activate or some crap.

[FuzzyThoctar]

Some people will claim to prefer anything over a current game.  It's how some gamers work.  I remember Oblivion being blasted when it was first released by the people on the Beth forums, but when Skyrim was released, those same people were raving about Oblivion.

 

You seen it on here when ME2 was released, it wasn't ME.  Now ME2 is regarded as the best one by many.

 

DA:I will be talked up whenever BioWare release the next DA.

 

Apart from one or 2 things and dlc aside, DA:I is superior in every other way to DA2.

 

Yes, definitely. I have also watched this happen with a number of games. Maybe it's a sudden bout of nostalgia. Or distance from the previous game's issues, while the new game is fresh in your mind. Past games tend to become rosier over time to many people. But I do find it strange to see a lot of open love for DA2 now, when not too long ago so many people were still raging.

[KCMeredith]

Yes, definitely. I have also watched this happen with a number of games. Maybe it's a sudden bout of nostalgia. Or distance from the previous game's issues, while the new game is fresh in your mind. Past games tend to become rosier over time to many people. But I do find it strange to see a lot of open love for DA2 now, when not too long ago so many people were still raging.

Its the cool thing to like DA2 now. Some of the people who say "DA2 is better" are the same who said it was **** just a month ago. Going against mainstream and so on...

[CreepingShadow]

DA2 had better side quests and a larger main story, I thought the PC/companion relationships were much better. Companions actually felt like your friends as opposed to your employees like they do in Inquisition. 

 

I think from an objective point of view Inquisition is the better game, but for me DA2 is a better Dragon Age game. 

It's just my opinion but I thought DA2 had Dragon Age's worst character line-up.

 

You had:

Anders: a whiny psychotic "revolutionary" who after annoying you for nearly a decade, betrays you, and starts a war.

Fenris: a whiny broody emo-elf, who complains non-stop about the evils of mages and how they should all suffer horribly because he had a bad experience.

Merrill: an overly cutesy elf girl with the demeanor of an 8 yr old, who manages to destroy everything she touches.

Aveline: a dull, mannish brute of a woman, who could easily kill an enemy by hitting them with her giant chin.

Sebastian: a boring hypocritical, judgemental ******, who inexpicably costs an extra seven dollars.

Carver: your annoying brat of a baby brother

and Bethany: your sweet but boring sister

The only good things to come of that cast are Varric the best buddy any guy could have, and Isabela who I almost feel bad romancing considering she really deserves better than a moron like Hawke.

 

edit: That came off a little harsh, I'm actually somewhat fond of Merrill and Bethany, but their not very interesting, the rest especially Anders can rot in the void though.

[Wolfen09]

DA2 could have been a master piece if they had just one more year of development, however that's just my opinion. Clearly some people feel it already is one or is a damn good game regardless, and in parts for me it really is. People are free to agree and disagree however they please, however.

 

 

yeah, they took like 10 to make that crap duke nukem, a few years extra in development might not change the outcome

[Cid Revolution]

It's just my opinion but I thought DA2 had Dragon Age's worst character line-up.

You're right. That is just your opinion.

You have yours, and we DA2 fans have ours.

[AWTEW]

Yes, definitely. I have also watched this happen with a number of games. Maybe it's a sudden bout of nostalgia. Or distance from the previous game's issues, while the new game is fresh in your mind. Past games tend to become rosier over time to many people. But I do find it strange to see a lot of open love for DA2 now, when not too long ago so many people were still raging.

I'm not surprised, when you have a 100 hour game, thats story is lackluster, and the characters are just meh.

DA2 and Hawke >DAI and Inquisitor