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[Ranadiel Marius]

Origins is there, whatever people say they can't take Origins from there, so I don't even bother when they try. If it wasn't from Origins people would never have endured DA2 and still have faith for DAI.

Origins

Eh, I only forced myself to finish DAO because I was looking forward to DA2 and wanted a fully customized world state for DA2. Found DA2 to be much less of a chore to play through. >.>

[MindWeb]

You mean the spirit that actually died in Awakening who was an amazing character to begin with? I absolutely loved Justice and then he went into Whiny Anders.

 

And yes, Fenris has a tortured past, but I still dislike his character.

I didn't really like Justice myself, he's like a more violent version of Cole. Maybe I just didn't 'get' him.

[taranoire]

You mean the spirit that actually died in Awakening who was an amazing character to begin with? I absolutely loved Justice and then he went into Whiny Anders.

 

And yes, Fenris has a tortured past, but I still dislike his character.

Which is fair, and you have a right to that. But a lot of us related to them regardless. 

[Barathos]

I didn't really like Justice myself, he's like a more violent version of Cole. Maybe I just didn't 'get' him.

 

He was more coherent then Cole and just didn't understand our world. To me, he had an interesting dynamic that I really really enjoyed and wish I could've seen more of. =/

[LPPrince]

Personally I find Inquisition far better than DA2.

 

DA2 I didn't complete twice because I thought it wasn't good.

 

Inquisition I won't complete twice only because I don't have faith in myself playing the game in a shorter amount of time.

 

DA2 took me 51 hours to beat, Inquisition took me 172 hours to beat. Yeah, I'm definitely going with Inquisition.

[dekarserverbot]

It wasn't a bad game.

 

And i'm the queen of Antiva...

 

 

Seriously DA2 was the second worst game ever hands down... the only people who like DA2 are people who love poor writting, running in circles, crappy "new age" characters (like Patroklos from SCV or Jake from AWDS) and button mashing, at least in DAI i could left pressed the mouse button instead of click it all the time

[Lucky Thirteen]

In my opinion and like many others have said, DA2 had the more focused and stronger story that just kept my interest better. The supporting characters developed, had good personal story arcs, and each had possible roles in the major story. It wasn't a rehashed, clichéd mega power hero saving the entire world thing, while all the supporting characters are stagnate and always there to kiss your ass, even when you do stuff they don't like. Hawke was just in a city with flawed complex companions, who potentially take the role of antagonist given the right circumstances. I was talking to one of my friends about this, Inquisitor is the most powerful of the three Dragon Age heroes, but Hawke is more interesting for being the least powerful of the three. I agree the ending was a bit haphazard and rushed, but the idea that no matter what Hawke did, **** hit the fan real bad. I also really liked Leandra's death. Again, no matter what Hawke did, **** hit the fan real bad. The Fade, again, everyone will betray Hawke, and in my case, I will always bring Fenris because he completely blames Hawke for it. Which is true, cause he didn't want to go but was forced to go anyways. 

 

The protagonist can't resolve everything, there has to be things beyond their control, there has to be opposing forces, setbacks, most of all flaws and imperfections. Even Varric ironically says this in DA:I. If bad things don't happen to the protagonist, the story gets stale, uninteresting, and people don't want to keep reading. Of course there needs to be a balance, because too much negatively will just be exhausting and people will also stop reading. There does need to be successes and triumph somewhere, positive rewards. In an RPG, it does need to be done right to both keep the story interesting and allow the player to have choices in the character's path. If over done, yes the player feels like there is no choice at all and might as well be watching a movie.

 

I honestly think the Well of Sorrows shouldn't have been a choice for the player. There is little reason for the Inquisitor to go in there unless they personally want complete power and knowledge. There is little reason given to really distrust Morrigan. I mean Leliana warns you, but Leliana shows way more untrustworthy behaviors over the course of the game compared to Morrigan. Solas accused Morrigan of being power hunger, but at the same time opposes Inquisitor getting in the pool and doesn't want to get into the pool himself. 

 

I liked how subtext wise, the Inquisitor really isn't a super power hero, they are just a series of coincidences and accidents, but the story  kind of abandons that midway through. You're encouraged to embrace being super power hero, a god, and if you try to deny it, everyone just pats you on the head. Hell, I even told Varric that it was all an accident, nothing godlike, then in a later conversation he goes and says that he just wanted to see the Inquisitor be normal and not godlike for once. What are you talking about, I've been denying it this whole time!

 

Everyone that opposes the inquisitor being divine sent is just immediately brushed aside and killed, or just left in the background somewhere quietly opposing. Really, this story is the perfect set up for a power hungry tyrant to be in the Inquisitor's shoes, under the guise this is good for the people to have this comforting lie that this hero is divine sent. I plan on playing this character, just to see if I can manage to get to the end with everyone still french kissing the inquisitors butt so hard. 

[taranoire]

And i'm the queen of Antiva...

 

 

Seriously DA2 was the second worst game ever hands down... the only people who like DA2 are people who love poor writting, running in circles, crappy "new age" characters (like Patroklos from SCV or Jake from AWDS) and button mashing, at least in DAI i could left pressed the mouse button instead of click it all the time

tell us how you really feel, your majesty 

[CreepingShadow]

You mean the spirit that actually died in Awakening who was an amazing character to begin with? I absolutely loved Justice and then he went into Whiny Anders.

 

And yes, Fenris has a tortured past, but I still dislike his character.

Yeah, Anders is entirely responisble for what his actions, he destroyed Justice with his hateful whining.

Oh and Fenris? Lots of people have horrible lives, it doesn't give him an excuse to hate an entire group of people because of the way their born. Oh and again the whining and the brooding gah!.

[JamieCOTC]

DA2 had 3 significant problems, it was rushed, the story line was way too linear and the graphics were not the best. Otherwise it's actually not a bad game. BW experimented w/ a more personal story and I liked that. I like DA:I better, but it does have a lot of filler. Some of the side quests you run into are interesting, like Crestwood, which links to the main story and DA:O, but so much of it is likes hard hunting. Dragon Age is not Skyrim. The beauty of an open world game is the freedom to just go out and do your own thing. I had one playthrough in Skyrim where my Dragonborn became a blacksmith. That's all she did. DA:I is far too scripted to allow for that kind of freedom. That said, I like the direction Dragon Age is going. DA:I needs many more meaty side quests, like Cullen's personal quest. Give each area a story. There are some meaty side quests you can find out wandering around, but they are few and far between.

[Mihura]

DA:I is the other extreme, bigger places a lot of new environments but really low content when it comes to companion and main story. If you are going to make a game with that scale in mind you need to put story in it. DA 2 was really limited to one city but had a lot more content tied to the main story and the companions.

DA:I feels empty at times when it comes to companions and their interactions, for example when I did the first personal quest for them, I though there were going to be three more after, just like DA 2. Also Isabela is my favorite character of all the games and romance... I guess I can be a little bias there but I think in the end DA 2 did a better job at connection the companions with the main story, the same goes for DA:O.

Edit: Also I felt that the humor was a lot better even during party banter.

[elrofrost]

DA2 had much better companion interaction than DAI does. Much better. They felt closer. It also had better combat, IMHO. Especially for the PC. Now maybe if BW fixes the PC combat contyrols and actually makes tactical useful I'll change my mind. But I'm not holding my breath.

 

Look I like DAI. But it's VERY clear it's console first, PC 3rd. Despite what BW said during development. On the PC any melee class is just too frustrating too play. This is the first DA game where I started with a mage. Simply because it was more manageable. That is until I ran out out skill slots (who is the genius at BW who thought 8 skill slots was a good idea?).

 

Quest wise.. I like DAI better than DA2. But I wish DAI has less of a MMO feel - in other words, less fetch quests and more story quests.

[Lord Raijin]

BioWare's BIGGEST mistake was to bring back Hawke into DA:I. Everyone has their ending story of their Hawke character, and by bringing back this character kind of ruins the moment.

 

Heroes from previous games should NEVER return back. Theirs zero point of doing this.

[CreepingShadow]

DA:I is the other extreme, bigger places a lot of new environments but really low content when it comes to companion and main story. If you are going to make a game with that scale in mind you need to put story in it. DA 2 was really limited to one city but had a lot more content tied to the main story and the companions.

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I can agree with Inquisition's world being way too big, this isn't the Elder Scrolls, Dragon Age's main focus should be on story and consequences, not being a giant playground which TES actually does much better.

[Ranadiel Marius]

And i'm the queen of Antiva...


Seriously DA2 was the second worst game ever hands down... the only people who like DA2 are people who love poor writting, running in circles, crappy "new age" characters (like Patroklos from SCV or Jake from AWDS) and button mashing, at least in DAI i could left pressed the mouse button instead of click it all the time

Your highness needs to play a larger catalogue of games if your royal self believes DA2 to be the second worst ever. I suppose your royal retainers must shield you from the worst games though.

[Mihura]

BioWare's BIGGEST mistake was to bring back Hawke into DA:I. Everyone has their ending story of their Hawke character, and by bringing back this character kind of ruins the moment.

 

Heroes from previous games should NEVER return back. Theirs zero point of doing this.

 

I think killing them is even more strange to tell you the true.

[taranoire]

I wonder what the first worst ever game is 

[elrofrost]

BioWare's BIGGEST mistake was to bring back Hawke into DA:I. Everyone has their ending story of their Hawke character, and by bringing back this character kind of ruins the moment.

 

Heroes from previous games should NEVER return back. Theirs zero point of doing this.

I agree with this. In fact, Hawke has too much exposure in DAI. I would've figured since so many hated DA2, BW would give cameos to Hawke. But no.. beloved chars from DAO and DA2 aren't even given lip service in DAI. 

 

What do we get? Hawke, Varric? Where is Isabella, or Shale, or Stern, Wayne, Zev, or the dog? Granted we get Morrigan, who steals Act 3, Alistair (depending on how he ended DAO - in most cases it's a cameo) barely makes a showing - but that's it? And where the hell is Sandal? How can you even have a DA game without Sandal?

Reminds me of ME3 ignoring most of the characters from ME2. And forcing Liara and Kai Lang down our throats.

 

Look, I'm all for new characters. And new heroes. But a game this big, with this much space - BW could've developed a few side quests updating us on what these guys are doing? Maybe helping Fenrris hunt down some slavers, or helping Isabella fight a pirate horde - or whatever. This game has plenty of zones that have nothing to do with the main story - at least use them for something besides gathering mats and xp.

Instead we get Varric updating us and, if the character is lucky, they'll get a mission in the War Room. Give the long-time fans something to chew on. ME- BW HAD to release Citadel - which did wonders to that game and the fans. Almost made up for the many mistakes in ME3. I suspect BW will do the same here. Of course it will be a paid DLC.

Modifié par elrofrost, 10 décembre 2014 - 05:35 .

[CreepingShadow]

DA2 may have been a mess, but to all the people calling it the worst game ever, it probably doesn't even rank in the bottom 50 sad as that is.

[taranoire]

I agree with this. In fact, Hawke has too much exposure in DAI. I would've figured since so many hated DA2, BW would give cameos to Hawke. But no.. beloved chars from DAO and DA2 aren't even given lip service in DAI. 

 

What do we get? Hawke, Varric? Where is Isabela, or Shale, or Stern, Wayne, Zev, or the dog? Granted we get Morrigan, who steals Act 3 - but that's it? And where the hell is Sandal? How can you even have a DA game without Sandal?

Reminds me of ME3 ignoring most of the characters from ME2. And forcing Liara and Kai Lang down your throat.

 

I didn't think Hawke had too much exposure. It just didn't make any sense to have him around and not his/her LI. Honestly that was the only reason I was excited for Hawke to return in the first place. 

 

And then they give you the option to kill them off on top of that. It's insulting. :| 

[Heimdall]

You know the only thing that really rankles me about Hawke's appearance is that, should he/she survive they don't just let him/her go off with their LI and close the book on them. Instead they head to Weisshaupt and it's implied they'll continued to be involved in future installments.

[taranoire]

You know the only thing that really rankles me about Hawke's appearance is that, should he/she survive they don't just let him/her go off with their LI and close the book on them. Instead they head to Weisshaupt and it's implied they'll continued to be involved in future installments.

But it's not strongly implied. It's vague enough to where this could be the book closing on them. Which pisses me off. 

 

Even if you choose to let them die on the Fade it gives you that bullshit "likely die." 

They're basically fridging Hawke and their LI to see if we'll get pissed enough for them to do anything about it. 

[Bayonet Hipshot]

No I do not prefer DA2 over DAI as a whole but there are elements of DA2 which is far superior to DAI.

• No 8 skill lock in combat.
• Interesting straight male romance options. The ones in DAI are, to me, crap.
• You can play as a healer.

[Arl Raylen]

DA2 is no ME2 in terms of being a masterpiece, but there's just something FUN about it. It's so easy to replay, maybe because there aren't many "errand boy" quests or tinesinks a la Inquisition.

 

I would contend that those who aren't as fond of DAI are likely MMO players. I know I played WoW for years and so I've seen everything they did with DAI's world done better in stuff like Wrath of the Lich King. For those who aren't used to MMOs it'll be amazing, but in my single player games I prefer the DA2/Jade Empire/Kotor approach where the sidequests sort of mix into the main story seamlessly.

 

One thing I will say is that DAI has a much better theme song, probably my favorite in the series. It rivals "Suicide Mission" to me in terms of epicness.

 

Oh and also, I really miss DA2's facial animations. DAI seems to use Mass Effect 1 animations and it's frankly scary seeing my Inquisitor's hyper realistic face painfully morph into 2007 Shepard's laugh animation.

[elrofrost]

I didn't think Hawke had too much exposure. It just didn't make any sense to have him around and not his/her LI. Honestly that was the only reason I was excited for Hawke to return in the first place. 

 

And then they give you the option to kill them off on top of that. It's insulting. :| 

Yeah. It's like Anders.. Anders should be in this game. He helped start the war for gods sake. At least a mission. Now if you killed him in DA2 then fine. But if you didn't - to just ignore him. And get some line from Varric (or Hawke) about him. How about giving me a chance to hunt him down and question him? Or maybe finding Justice when I'm in the fade?