The ending of DA2 was definitely better - companions leaving/staying based on your choices, and having to fight your way through a city before the final boss fights (as nonsensical as they were).
And the boss battles were harder/better.
I also liked that your companions basically all had 3 quests, one for each act.
But I can't really say the entire game was better. I dunno. But I also loved DA2, so even if DA:I is its equal, it still means its awesome, to me.
I prefer DAI to DA2 for everythings (story, companions, arts, game play etc...)
The ending of DA2 was definitely better - companions leaving/staying based on your choices, and having to fight your way through a city before the final boss fights (as nonsensical as they were).
And the boss battles were harder/better.
I also liked that your companions basically all had 3 quests, one for each act.
But I can't really say the entire game was better. I dunno. But I also loved DA2, so even if DA:I is its equal, it still means its awesome, to me.
So? It's called kiting, how else is a mage supposed to win a duel against a close combat warrior?
So? It's called kiting, how else is a mage supposed to win a duel against a close combat warrior?
ppffft. I love DA: II but if you don't find this video even just a little bit funny there's no hope for you. 
ppffft. I love DA: II but if you don't find this video even just a little bit funny there's no hope for you.
...didn't say it isn't funny, did I? 
This happened with Final Fantasy 8, then 9, then 10, then 10-2, then 11, then 12, then 13, then 13-2, then Lightning Returns... It will continue to happen because people always like to complain about something. The Hipster effect, like I call it, is starting to sap a lot of my fun as a fan, as I go on boards to chat about video games then people just bash one another because they can't accept their differences. It's rare I can find a good place where people aren't acting childish over their hobbies. Then there are people who just loves complaining to make a scene and make themselves feel important.
I remember when there was an enormous amount of hate for Final Fantasy 12 when it first came out, and honestly, I think that game's a masterpiece now. It's one of my favorite games of all time. Now, do I think Dragon Age 2 is FFXII quality? No, but given its condensed production time, I feel like it should be acknowledged as more than a black sheep. It's fun and people enjoy playing it. That's a decent game to me.
The ending of DA2 was definitely better - companions leaving/staying based on your choices, and having to fight your way through a city before the final boss fights (as nonsensical as they were).
And the boss battles were harder/better.
I also liked that your companions basically all had 3 quests, one for each act.
But I can't really say the entire game was better. I dunno. But I also loved DA2, so even if DA:I is its equal, it still means its awesome, to me.
This post just reminded me of one thing that I absolutely loved about DA2, in the final fight everyone comes out to back Hawke up. Heck before that Hawke does a small amount of strategizing to put his friends that he isn't bringing with him where they can help most. Then when the **** hits the fan, they all come to back him up, and you can get some other allies show up. Really gave that final fight an extra touch of epic.
I remember when there was an enormous amount of hate for Final Fantasy 12 when it first came out, and honestly, I think that game's a masterpiece now. It's one of my favorite games of all time. Now, do I think Dragon Age 2 is FFXII quality? No, but given its condensed production time, I feel like it should be acknowledged as more than a black sheep. It's fun and people enjoy playing it. That's a decent game to me.
FF12 is my most hated FF. I'd rank it the worst, but it is at least prettier than FF2. The game is just boring in every regard from the combat system to the story. Only interesting thing in the game is the bestiary, and when reading a dictionary is the most interesting part of your game, you have serious problems.
I remember when there was an enormous amount of hate for Final Fantasy 12 when it first came out, and honestly, I think that game's a masterpiece now. It's one of my favorite games of all time. Now, do I think Dragon Age 2 is FFXII quality? No, but given its condensed production time, I feel like it should be acknowledged as more than a black sheep. It's fun and people enjoy playing it. That's a decent game to me.
people like you is the reason we never have good things...
FF12 is my most hated FF. I'd rank it the worst, but it is at least prettier than FF2. The game is just boring in every regard from the combat system to the story. Only interesting thing in the game is the bestiary, and when reading a dictionary is the most interesting part of your game, you have serious problems.
Or maybe I just like things you don't.
Wow. Crazy. I know.
After finally finishing the game, I can say that yes I do prefer DA2 to DA:I. I also prefer DA:O to DA:I. DA:I just feels like a totally different game that just so happens to be set in Thedas; I think it feels this way due to its original design being a multiplayer-only game. The main story was good, but it felt very short to me. Indeed, it feels like the main story for this game could have been an expansion pack for DA2. The only thing that makes this game anywhere near 60-70 hours long is the endless multitude of Skyrim-style fetch quests and exploring, which to me are just tedious filler. While DA2 had flaws, at least its side quests were engaging and had way more substance than the "side quests" in this game.
By no means am I trying to bash DA:I though. It's still a good game, but it's not the sort of direction I'd have liked the Dragon Age series to take. But then again I am not one of those people who hate DA2. I thought DA2 was still a good game, even though it had many flaws, the worst being lack of choice and overused environments.
I think it all comes down to true RPG vs. <other> RPG... FF12, in example, got so much hate because it was more along the lines of western CRPG then a JRPG. Now, DAI is clearly an action RPG, and no CRPG like DAO and even DA2... I grew up on CRPGs, and that's the kind of game I like, so, of course, I like DAO and DA2 better then DAI, as well as I liked FF12 better then, say, FF13... ok, maybe a bad example, since even fewer people liked 13.
people like you is the reason we never have good things...
Actually, that is people like you that are why we can't have good things, with the snide remarks, the blind assurance of being correct, and the comments you keep throwing from the peanut gallery essentially drowning out any semblance of thought or reason. Because you know, opinions don't exist with other people.
I like DA2, it's a fun game and Hawke is my favorite protagonist of all the DA games.
the best idea they incorporated into DA2 was the "good, snarky, *******" dialogue tree... and how you built points in each, which amusingly would influence CUTSCENE and other banter with hawke. If you're 100% snarky, most of hawke's scripted dialogue becomes snarky. if you're 100% jerk, the same, and the same if you're a prissy little goody two shoes.
most people missed this feature because they played the game once and forgot about it. I discovered this feature on my second playthrough when i was just being a jerk... and was stunned when the general conversation comments by hawke changed dramatically. So of course i had to play it one more time this time snarky... and laughed my backside off, at the witty one liners spewing from hawke throughout the game.
It was a nice touch. Something i wish they had implemented in inquisition. That said i don't have any real complaints about inquisition, this is a fantastic game.
It's just my opinion but I thought DA2 had Dragon Age's worst character line-up.
You had:
Anders: a whiny psychotic "revolutionary" who after annoying you for nearly a decade, betrays you, and starts a war.
Fenris: a whiny broody emo-elf, who complains non-stop about the evils of mages and how they should all suffer horribly because he had a bad experience.
Merrill: an overly cutesy elf girl with the demeanor of an 8 yr old, who manages to destroy everything she touches.
Aveline: a dull, mannish brute of a woman, who could easily kill an enemy by hitting them with her giant chin.
Sebastian: a boring hypocritical, judgemental ******, who inexpicably costs an extra seven dollars.
Carver: your annoying brat of a baby brother
and Bethany: your sweet but boring sister
The only good things to come of that cast are Varric the best buddy any guy could have, and Isabela who I almost feel bad romancing considering she really deserves better than a moron like Hawke.
edit: That came off a little harsh, I'm actually somewhat fond of Merrill and Bethany, but their not very interesting, the rest especially Anders can rot in the void though.
I thought it was funny, that when viewed in hindsight, Merrill was perhaps the most overtly EVIL companion you could party up with. Her heart was in the right place, sure... but she was a blood mage and aspiring abomination, and nothing you said could change that. Seriously, she simply wasn't living her life correctly.
Isabella was a great companion, as was verick. Merrill was funny to have in your party as well (i just described my fav party in that game). the other party combos were pretty bad.
The people who prefer DA2 over DA:I are mostly romance fetishists whose opinions you should disregard and ignore if you value your mental health.
people just like to complain before dai came out they hated da2 now that dai is out they love da2 they just want too hate the new game for not being like origins clearly dai is better then 2 anyone who denies that is lying as simple as that.
I will say this again, a lot of the stuff that bothered other people about DA2 really didn't bother me. The recycled environments? Eh. Shrug. Would I have liked more variety? Sure, but it wasn't the be-all-end-all of the experience for me. I also really enjoyed DA2's combat system which was a departure from DAO--which I hated because it was slow and clunky and if I wanted to wait around all day for the computer to resolve damage for me, I'd boot up Neverwinter Nights.
And there were a lot of things I felt were very successful in DA2. I really enjoyed the Rivalry vs Friendship system. I know some people resented being pigeonholed into an "either/or" situation, but I really liked that you could have friends and disagree with them, but still respect one another. And I loved each of the companions having a unique specialization tree. (And the fact that you'd get a different bonus for rivalry vs friendship was another cherry on top, in my opinion.) Your companions felt alive. I could understand with and sympathize with most of them, even if I didn't always agree with everyone in every situation, I could still understand where they were coming from.
Hawke's personality was also a huge positive, in my book. And I loved the fact that you could change personalities as the game went on. (My canon Hawke undergoes a personality shift after Leandra dies, for instance.) And I find myself missing that strong sense of who my Inquisitor is. We have this... tepid.. washed out sort of PC and I find myself missing Hawke's stronger/more committed reactions. (Yes this is also including green/blue Hawke too.)
I also liked the fact that it built over a long period of time. I would have liked to have seen more, really, and I think there were some... misleading/unfulfilled promises by the devs due to an absurdly short dev cycle. There are definitely places where executive meddling impacted the story, and there are places in the writing where it could have benefited from more time to consider or develop more ideas, but overall DA2 is one of my favorite games of all time.
For me tho, I had a very emotional and personal response to Hawke's narrative, and that's not something that can be easily replicated or explained. (And it has a LOT to do with all of the loss Hawke can experience in combination with the personality system.)
But I also love that Hawke doesn't quite win.
I love the fact that Hawke is just a person trying to do his best throughout life, trying to muddle through is just so deeply compelling to me.
Being the reluctant Chosen One is... somewhat satisfying, but I really preferred Hawke's tale to the Inquisitor's overall.
And as much as I'm enjoying Inquisition... I find myself almost wishing it had been separate from the main storyline in some ways because it doesn't even feel.. like the same franchise almost?
I mean, I played the games all out of order I went DA2, DAO, Witch Hunt and Golems,, DAA, and now DAI. (With about 1million replays of DA2.) And DAI still feels like the oddest one out to me. I appreciate that they're trying new things but... there's something... missing there and I can't quite put my finger on what it is that makes DAI feel so different from the rest.
I mean, DAI isn't... terrible but... it's quite different from what I was expecting and what I had hoped? I guess I was hoping for more of a synergy of DAO and DA2? Instead it's more... DAO and Skyrim? I guess I was hoping for certain elements of DA2 to carry over that didn't really make it. (Unique specs for companions, personality system, fluid feeling combat, etc) And I'm kind of baffled why some of them didn't carry over, honestly, because they were among the more successful/popular features of DA2.
This post just reminded me of one thing that I absolutely loved about DA2, in the final fight everyone comes out to back Hawke up. Heck before that Hawke does a small amount of strategizing to put his friends that he isn't bringing with him where they can help most. Then when the **** hits the fan, they all come to back him up, and you can get some other allies show up. Really gave that final fight an extra touch of epic.
See! That was something else I was totally expecting to happen at the end of DAI. I was like... what?? We can't bring everybody??? Nobody I helped is showing up to help me? No love for the Inquisitor?? (This is also why I loved the cameos in DA2 more, b/c Nathaniel and Zev even show up to help you out which was so fun.)
EDIT: Oh jeez I wouldn't have posted twice if I hadn't realized no one else had posted since I did.
But like
I was honestly really surprised Hawke didn't come back for the big fight with Corypheus given... everything that they said about wanting to make that mistake right >.>
But like.. We could have had Briala and Fairbanks and Corporal Vale etc all showing up to help in the final fight. (Tho Briala can show up on the way to the Temple of Mythal so.. there is that.)
DA2 had a generally tighter story and more personal feel, which presumably is making people appreciate it more since one of the commonly-identified flaws with DA:I is that it seems overly large. DA2 was also the only one that tried to do a narrative that wasn't about saving the world, and it would have been nice for BioWare to try and hone that new direction rather than ordering the full-scale retreat they did (even though it was obvious that after the backlash and lower sales they would do so).
DA2 was a poor game, without question, but it had some good ideas and some of those good ideas got jettisoned rather than improved.
Nice summary. DA2 also didn't allow much in the way of customization. In RPG's, people like finding loot and playing dress up for their party, DA2 did not allow that freedom of choice at all which is a big no no.
Da2 has more tight and directed storytelling style than DA:I does. I actually prefer that over the one from DA:I but the gameplay is much better in DA:I.
I've finished DA:I once but I want to play it a couple more time before I decide if I like it better than DA2. My initial reaction is that I like it better but it's still early.
The reused maps didn't really bother me considering how many times I fought through the same building, base or mining complex in Mass Effect. The main problem I have with DA2 is the story. It not only doesn't get me to care about one side or the other, it actually gets me to like both sides less than before. I had no desire to solve the conflict. I also don't like how they handled Blood Magic. There were so many mages that turned to it that it became a joke. I also find it interesting that all of these mages that spent the majority of their lives in the circle with no instruction or anything to Blood Magic can easily turn to it when needed. I know there is something under Kirkwall, or something like that, that has an effect on things making it easier but come on. I was pro Mage after DA:O but leaning towards pro Templar after DA2.
I don't know about other people, but I've played DA2 close to a dozen times and I still love it. I adored Hawke, and the companions and other characters were very memorable, plus the story was far more focused and engaging. I remember as soon as I completed DA2 the first time, I couldn't wait to start a new playthrough. Same as when I finished DAO...
I have completed DAI just one time, and I am having no luck trying to talk myself into another run, because I personally find the Inquisitor dull as lead and most of the companions about the same. The main story feels like a DLC that was stretched way too thin for such a big game (it took me 140 hours to finish it).
So...yes. There actually are passionate and devoted BioWare fans that prefer DA2 to DAI by quite a lot. Sorry to shock everyone.
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I thought it was funny, that when viewed in hindsight, Merrill was perhaps the most overtly EVIL companion you could party up with. Her heart was in the right place, sure... but she was a blood mage and aspiring abomination, and nothing you said could change that. Seriously, she simply wasn't living her life correctly.
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Merill was hardly unique in that respect. EVERY mage in Kirkwall is a blood mage and aspiring abomination, must be something in the water. Well or the fact that the city was built over Tevinter's center for blood sacrifice.
The people who prefer DA2 over DA:I are mostly romance fetishists whose opinions you should disregard and ignore if you value your mental health.
Thank God we're not all as asinine and fun-sucking as you then
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