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Marethari was telling the truth, after all.


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Remember when Marethari said Audacity was going to use Merril's eluvian to cross into the physical world?

And now Morrigan says the Crossroads is close to the Fade and someone with enough power could cross from one to the other.

That settles that, then.


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Xilizhra

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That makes no sense. There are already other open Eluvians in the world. If Audacity could break out of being bound in the statue so easily and rip into the Crossroads, there'd be no need whatsoever to have an Eluvian in physical proximity to the statue, because the Crossroads clearly doesn't correspond to any given place in physical Thedas. Not to mention that if it was so easy to break into the Crossroads from the Fade, you'd have demons pouring out of every open Eluvian in the world.

 

I strongly suspect that Corypheus could only do that with the orb, and even then, possibly only from the Crossroads to the Fade, not the other way around.

 

Either way, it's good to know that that rumor about it being a bad call to keep the Eluvian was simply that.


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Remember when Marethari said Audacity was going to use Merril's eluvian to cross into the physical world?

And now Morrigan says the Crossroads is close to the Fade and someone with enough power could cross from one to the other.

That settles that, then.

 

Pretty much.

 

It's also interesting that Merrill was being duped by a Pride Demon, since pride was her fatal flaw. She was refusing to listen to wiser voices and insisting that she knew best.



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Almost like it was a bad idea to repair portals to Maker knows where, inhabited by Maker knows what


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That makes no sense. There are already other open Eluvians in the world. If Audacity could break out of being bound in the statue so easily and rip into the Crossroads, there'd be no need whatsoever to have an Eluvian in physical proximity to the statue, because the Crossroads clearly doesn't correspond to any given place in physical Thedas. Not to mention that if it was so easy to break into the Crossroads from the Fade, you'd have demons pouring out of every open Eluvian in the world.

 

Each Eluvian requires a key to open them. It is either magical or physical. A demon would not likely know what that key is for any of the Eluvians because they have no concept of mortal things. They can replicate them, but they don't know what they are used for. For example, chairs. In DA:O, when we entered the fade, we saw chairs just floating around, clearly not what chairs do. They don't know they are for sitting on. The same would be for keys. They wouldn't know that a key opens things.


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It was fairly obvious even in DA2 that Merrill was being played like a fiddle by Audacity, and that her continual tinkering with the Eluvian wasn't going to end well. DA:I just opened up an interesting possibility as to what Audacity's end game was.



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Each Eluvian requires a key to open them. It is either magical or physical. A demon would not likely know what that key is for any of the Eluvians because they have no concept of mortal things. They can replicate them, but they don't know what they are used for. For example, chairs. In DA:O, when we entered the fade, we saw chairs just floating around, clearly not what chairs do. They don't know they are for sitting on. The same would be for keys. They wouldn't know that a key opens things.

Wasn't the knowledge of the keys located in the Fade, which was why Merrill asked a demon about forging the thing to begin with?



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It was fairly obvious even in DA2 that Merrill was being played like a fiddle by Audacity, and that her continual tinkering with the Eluvian wasn't going to end well. DA:I just opened up an interesting possibility as to what Audacity's end game was.

Replace "Merrill" with "Marethari" and I might agree with you.


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Wasn't the knowledge of the keys located in the Fade, which was why Merrill asked a demon about forging the thing to begin with?

Briala managed to get Keys and she isn't a mage, so presumably not



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Replace "Merrill" with "Marethari" and I might agree with you.

Marethari wasn't the one making the portal to Hell



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Remember when Marethari said Audacity was going to use Merril's eluvian to cross into the physical world?

And now Morrigan says the Crossroads is close to the Fade and someone with enough power could cross from one to the other.

That settles that, then.

 

Morrigan hypothesizes that's what Corypheus intends. And you couldn't just "cross over". Her exact words are breaking down the barriers. So there's no crossing, there's a lot of ****** with the entire fabric of the cosmos.

 

It's not really an absolute fact if it can actually be done, and even if it were, Corypheus has more going for him then any demon. Blight, magic, Elven magic, that booming voice.


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Oh no, a Demon came out of the mirror. It's not like Hawke killed scores of Demons before or even released Demons then killed them.



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Briala managed to get Keys and she isn't a mage, so presumably not

Not located only in the Fade, but the knowledge could be there.

 

Also, if demons can't comprehend keys, Audacity never would have been able to escape through the Eluvian--not that the Marethari abomination's dialogue makes that idea make any sense either, because she says something about "banish it to the Fade," which would imply that it's bound in the statue in the physical world and not in the Fade at all, which would mean that the Eluvian couldn't possibly be a gateway because the demon would already be here. And if demons can comprehend keys, we'd be getting demons coming out of the open Eluvians anyway.

 

 

Marethari wasn't the one making the portal to Hell

Aren't abominations supposed to be stronger than just plain demons? The only way Marethari's plan could possibly have been genuine is if a pride abomination is weaker than a pride demon--not that it could have been genuine anyway because of all the other inconsistencies, but that's a big one.



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Replace "Merrill" with "Marethari" and I might agree with you.

 

How does this make any sense?  How was Marethari working towards the demon's goal?



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How does this make any sense?  How was Marethari working towards the demon's goal?

It absolves Merrill of responsibility.


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Wasn't the knowledge of the keys located in the Fade, which was why Merrill asked a demon about forging the thing to begin with?

 

Not necessarily. Eluvians are clearly Elven creations. Therefore the information would more likely be in the mortal world. Also, how would Morrigan be able to find the information within the Fade, when the Fade replicates your physical surrounding? As Solas has stated, you must travel to new locations in order to find memories and as far as we know, Morrigan doesn't dream like Solas. There is nowhere in Thedas that is like the Crossroads.



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How does this make any sense?  How was Marethari working towards the demon's goal?

because Merrill can't do anything wrong by virtue of her status as a waifu


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How does this make any sense?  How was Marethari working towards the demon's goal?

Marethari was the one who released and empowered the damn thing.

 

And that "I couldn't banish it to the Fade without making it stronger" is clearly crap for two reasons. One, abominations are stronger anyway, or at least the codex says that. Two, Audacity might have returned to its former power, but would also not be able to give Merrill the key anymore, so Merrill would be safe without Marethari having to die or the clan to fall apart. And would be trapped in the Fade.


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Was this ever in question? To my knowledge, only the Merrill fanboys ever claimed otherwise. I thought the silent majority had just agreed to let them play around with their dellussions..


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And then Merrill summons Audacity to get the key, or Audacity goes to Merrill, and we're even closer to a giant demon invasion in Lowtown. 


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That scrub wasn't even that hard to kill. Just another tally for "how many things did I kill this hour" on Hawke's belt. He needs a lot of belts, as you can imagine.



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And then Merrill summons Audacity to get the key, or Audacity goes to Merrill, and we're even closer to a giant demon invasion in Lowtown. 

Well, the former wouldn't happen because Merrill was only willing to talk to Audacity due to Audacity being bound, and the latter wouldn't happen of its own accord--until there actually was the giant demon invasion in Lowtown, but that happened due to circumstances Marethari couldn't possibly have known about (and even then, it's at least still not an abomination).



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Lowtown has had giant Demon invasions for years so acting like it's something special is really an odd thing to do (though it's always bad), and Merrill's not one to summon Demons. She will literally tell you this to your face. The point of going to Audacity when he's trapped and sundered from the Fade isn't to summon him, it's to talk with him carefully.


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Was this ever in question? To my knowledge, only the Merrill fanboys ever claimed otherwise. I thought the silent majority had just agreed to let them play around with their dellussions..

 

That doesn't mean people who like to fit conclusions to the evidence can't spike the ball every now and then.



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That scrub wasn't even that hard to kill. Just another tally for "how many things did I kill this hour" on Hawke's belt. He needs a lot of belts, as you can imagine.

gameplay/story segregations