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[MikeFL25]

This was my only real gripe in the game, and on no way does it ruin the experience for me. I love this game, but from a perspective of the next installment(s) in the series, I really wish they would let us choose who becomes the next Divine. It seems like such an important choice that will affect the Inquisition and the world of future games. It's too big of an event to leave to hidden variables.

What if you want Cassandra as divine but also want to recruit the mages? From what I have seen, mages = no Cassandra as divine. The Inquisitor should be given a straight up choice by the Chantry near the end of the game..."who do you support as the next Divine?" Of course the Inquisitor has no real power to force the Chantry into naming the new Divine, but they will "highly regard" his suggestion which will lead to the new Divine being named.

It just seems like such an important choice to be left to meeting a correct hidden checklist that forces you to play differently.

[Devil's Avocado]

And yet people complain they want choices to matter.

 

 

You did influence who became divine and didn't pick wisely, you choices had a consequence. The Mages were my allies yet Cass was my divine. My actions throughout the game affected this because I was still pro-chantry yet pro progressive and reform.

 

Secondly if you talk to the divine candidates you'll get a war table mission to sway a few points in that person's favor, it's not a sure fire way to get them as divine but it helps.

[Vanth]

The balance is probably fine as it is. You can support one of the candidates, and that makes it more probable that they are chosen but doesn't guarantee it. I think that is how it should be. 

[ChaosMarky]

Any one i "supported" ended up being the divine...

[errantknight]

All your choices influence this. It's the major way your choices matter. I approve of that. It would be unrealistic for the inquisitor to choose the Divine directly, but you shape the world and therefore the attitudes of the people doing the choosing. Support is one factor, but only one of many.

 

I wouldn't worry too much about who becomes Divine. The odds are good that whomever it is, things will be a bloody mess.

[Heimdall]

I thought this was great. It allowed your choices to matter, but didn't put immersion breaking levels of influence directly in the player's hands.

[Medhia_Nox]

I prefer "heavily influence"- unless we played the Inquisitor for many games and had finally become so ridiculously powerful that our word moved nations.

[Wulfram]

It'd be a bit odd for my Dalish to be actually picking the Divine.

Maybe if they turned the Divine elections into a full fledged quest I'd be more inclined to be OK with the PC having stronger influence, but with it being off-screen it's better for their direct influence to not be great.

[MikeFL25]

I guess my problem is, it's very unclear how you heavily influence the choice. I agree that it's not realistic for the Inquisitor to directly chose the next divine. But the choices that actually lead to who is picked seem very ambiguous and unclear.

Furthermore, there is never any indication until very late in the game that your story choices would affect the next Divine. And by then, depending on your choices, it is too late to get the outcome you'd like. That's where I'm coming from, I agree with you all that it should be more about influence than direct choice, I just wish it was more defined.

[MikeFL25]

And yet people complain they want choices to matter.


You did influence who became divine and didn't pick wisely, you choices had a consequence. The Mages were my allies yet Cass was my divine. My actions throughout the game affected this because I was still pro-chantry yet pro progressive and reform.

Secondly if you talk to the divine candidates you'll get a war table mission to sway a few points in that person's favor, it's not a sure fire way to get them as divine but it helps.

Yes, I do want choices to matter, and Bioware did a great job making them matter in this game. But you cannot say I chose poorly because it wasn't established at all until late in the game that your choices affect who becomes the next divine. It would be different if, at the outset of the game, you were informed that the Chantry will be looking at what happens and considering it for the next Divine, but that isn't the case.

Ultimately it's really not that big of a deal, I just wish it was a bit more clear cut, or if the issue of who becomes the divine was addressed earlier.

[Devil's Avocado]

I guess my problem is, it's very unclear how you heavily influence the choice. I agree that it's not realistic for the Inquisitor to directly chose the next divine. But the choices that actually lead to who is picked seem very ambiguous and unclear.

Furthermore, there is never any indication until very late in the game that your story choices would affect the next Divine. And by then, depending on your choices, it is too late to get the outcome you'd like. That's where I'm coming from, I agree with you all that it should be more about influence than direct choice, I just wish it was more defined.

But a good 'choices matter' game doesn't tell you the consequences of your choices. If the game pretty much told you what would happen if you did the dark ritual, then people would know what to pick most of the time.

 

If the game told you during CC that only a cousland had a chance at marrying royalty (without telling you how) then many more people would have been couslands instead of something else. 

 

Really this is only a problem for the first run, once people figure out all the factors affecting who becomes divine then everyone will meta game their choice in future runs. From what I gather there are no choices that completely cut you off from a candidate so you'll be able to play the character you want aside from a choice or two.

[MikeFL25]

But a good 'choices matter' game doesn't tell you the consequences of your choices. If the game pretty much told you what would happen if you did the dark ritual, then people would know what to pick most of the time.

If the game told you during CC that only a cousland had a chance at marrying royalty (without telling you how) then many more people would have been couslands instead of something else.

Really this is only a problem for the first run, once people figure out all the factors affecting who becomes divine then everyone will meta game their choice in future runs. From what I gather there are no choices that completely cut you off from a candidate so you'll be able to play the character you want aside from a choice or two.

Fair enough, I can't really take issue with that. If anything, it encourages another play through of this game which is a good thing.

[DariusDrannen]

My only issue with how it's set up right now is there's a jarring disconnect between my conversation with who I said I'd support as the new Divine, and what happens after the new Divine is chosen.

 

I wanted Leliana to be the Divine.  I had the conversation with her about supporting her, and she seemed gung-ho about taking the job.  But the ending slide show showed Cassandra as the new Divine, despite me never having spoken to her about taking the role.  On top of that, when I spoke to Leliana post-game, she didn't even mention why she didn't become Divine or that she's disappointed.  You know, at least acknowledge we had a conversation about it previously.

 

It's like if you give your recommendation for someone to get a promotion at work and then someone else gets it instead.  Your next conversation with that person would be something like, "Sorry you didn't get the job" and them being all "I'm disappointed, but the other person is qualified as well.  Oh well".  Instead, Leliana acted like she never even wanted the job and just said something about Cassandra being the perfect candidate.

[SpookyDjinn]

Any one i "supported" ended up being the divine...

Does that mean then that, even though I allied with the mages AND did a 'support Cassandra as Divine' quest, Cassandra will be Divine? I do hope so. I'm pro-mage and all, BUT I really don't want Leliana as Divine again......She was all 'If you do not agree with me.....Stab stab stab' after she became Divine in my last play through.

[daveliam]

I think that the way it is is just fine.  I don't think it would make any sense for the head of the Inquisition (which broke away from the Chantry) to outright choose the Divine.  There's really nothing in the game to support that, outside of the Inquisition being politically important and the Chantry currently struggling.  It makes much more sense for the Inquisitor to be able to influence the decision without outright choosing the person.  I kind of loved the fact that my last choice actually ended up Divine.  Felt more like a real situation that way.

 

* I wanted Cassandra to be Divine because I think she'd handle the reform in the most appropriate ways.  But, in every situation except the Chantry related ones, I'm super liberal and a do-gooder, so it made Leliana the Divine.  I felt that she was too naively optimistic about the future, but I guess we'll see what happens in DA4, huh?

[9TailsFox]

You Inquisitor not Grand Cleric. "And yet people complain they want choices to matter." We say we want but when we get we cry it's not like I wanted.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Why would that be up to the Inquisitor?

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

I recruited the mages as full allies, have Celene as sole ruler, and Cassandra is Divine. It's not impossible.

[SomberXIII]

I told Vivienne that she could be the next Divine. She greatly approved and Leliana got the role. Now she's so pissed and told me about some "influences" that was behind the chosen Divine everytime I try to chat with her. She knew it was me but she didn't spoken directly. Oh Vivienne.

[Lyrandori]

Meh, only if it fits your Inquisitor I guess.

 

My first Inquisitor didn't actually want to choose the next Divine and didn't care about the Chantry in general. My second Inquisitor will perhaps care about the Chantry but will probably just support Vivienne, Cassandra and Lelianna alike and just tell them all three "May the best win!".

[StrangeStrategy]

After a lot of hesitation, I eventually supported Cassandra. She was progressive and humble enough to realize the systems in place weren't perfect, and that change would be needed. She lacks "Grace and charm" but she has an iron will and good intentions. I hoped that would be enough.

Then, Vivienne out of nowhere becomes Divine, despite my support of Cassandra. I didn't even know Vivienne wanted the position... But she got it somehow. Well played Madame, that was a huge shock.

[Kenshen]

Cassandra was the only one I could support in my first game.  I couldn't even talk to Viv about it and there was only like one line for Leliana.  I just found it odd that my openly hating chantry elf would be asked to support someone to become the divine.  How many times do I have to tell these people I don't care about their religion or god. 

[CENIC]

I allied with the mages and still got Cassandra as Divine.

Whenever it came up I supported a reformed Circle and Chantry. I supported Cassandra in dialogue with her and with Vivienne, got her war table support mission and did it, and did not support Leliana in her dialogue.

[llandwynwyn]

I didn't felt like my choices mattered at all since there was no personal involvement.

The three make no sense as Divine as well, in my opinion. Another factor that make me no care for the result.

[errantknight]

Pretty sure the divine choice will end in blood, no matter who you pick--just different blood. You might want to be glad the person you wanted didn't end up i that mess.

 

But seriously, why would the Chantry hand a religious decision to the inquisitor? That would make no sense. You're a peacekeeper crossed with military police. That would be entirely outside your jurisdiction.