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[DetcelferVisionary]

The absolutely best part about this thread...   is that we DID choose through our actions.  

 

[Johnsen1972]

I never had problems to choose my devine. First Playthrough with my mage it was leliana and my second playthrough when I romanced Cassandra, I made Vivienne Devine so I can stay with Cassie.

[galentv]

I second this. They should give one mission on the war map for each candidate (Support vivienne, support cassandra, support Leliana) so that you know who you're actually supporting. So far only Vivienne has such a mission. I never touched that mission and somehow she ended up as the divine. WTF? I wanted Cassandra

[slick_ktm]

I like it how it is now. You must choose and stand by your decisions.

If it was "just pick" people would complain its another "ME3 color ending and my choices didn't matter".

 

I like how every decision/conversations shapes the story.

[Dazzarlok]

Basically, you can't be wishy washy when it comes to who gets to be Divine. If you are pro mage freedom, then you'd better act like it, when you talk to Vivienne about this stuff, you'd better say that you are pro mage freedom, instead of saying what Vivienne wants to hear just to keep your approval high. Same goes with being pro Circle.

[Dazzarlok]

I second this. They should give one mission on the war map for each candidate (Support vivienne, support cassandra, support Leliana) so that you know who you're actually supporting. So far only Vivienne has such a mission. I never touched that mission and somehow she ended up as the divine. WTF? I wanted Cassandra

 

What did you do to have that mission show up in the first place? I was pro Mage Freedom all the way (allied with mages, repeatedly told Vivienne Mages should be free and told her I thought Leliana would make a good Divine, told Cassandra I didn't want the same things she wanted, etc.) and I never got Vivienne's "Support for the Divine" mission.

[colemanshane]

I supported Mages, as allies and Still had Cass as my Divine (I supported her in War Table, didn't tell Leliana I would support her and never mentioned it to Vivienne)

[Aulis Vaara]

What if you want Cassandra as divine but also want to recruit the mages? From what I have seen, mages = no Cassandra as divine.

Uh, what? I recruited the mages and set up Cassandra as the Divine. Also had an opportunity for each of the others. I still have an operation on the war table to support Vivienne.

[sch1986]

I allied with mages and had Cassandra as divine.

I bet it's something you will sort of be able to manipulate in the keep later. Wouldn't worry about it too much.

[Lucky Thirteen]

It's really weird how the divine is picked. It seems to be through minor conversations with casual statements between a few characters, that somehow everyone in the chantry picking the new divine hears about and it influences the final choice. 

[Fullmetall21]

I just picked whatever choice i wanted be it mages/tempars or whatever and then told the one I wanted to support that she would be an excellent Divine and told the rest ( basically Lellianna, Vivienne didn't happen for me until I told her) you shouldn't be Divine then did the war table mission and boom. Got the one I wanted. For example I got Cassandra as Divine while having the mages as allies and Lellianna when I conscripted the mages. Dunno if I did something special just picked whatever seemed right at the time. 

[wetnasty]

Is Cassndra against the mages or something? I didn't realize she was going to reform the Circle. 

 

Either way, when I chose not to get involved, Leliana was crowned Divine. Trying to see other options now though. 

 

May have supported Cassandra formally even though I was anti-circle in one of my mage playthroughs though. Oops. 

[Dazzarlok]

It's really weird how the divine is picked. It seems to be through minor conversations with casual statements between a few characters, that somehow everyone in the chantry picking the new divine hears about and it influences the final choice. 

 

It's that, and also big decisions like siding with the Mages or the Templars. As for the conversations and such, it's just a way of showing that, as the Inquisitor, everyone is paying attention to what you have to say, and what they hear, they'll spread to others. Just another way of letting the player know that the Inquisitor is a big deal. Your words, no matter how insignificant they may seem, have the power to change things.

 

However, getting the Divine you want shouldn't be that difficult. For example, if you support Mage freedom, I don't see why you wouldn't choose all dialogue options that support that fact. Unless of course you're just telling folks what they want to hear to keep approval high. In which case, it should be no surprise that they get mixed signals from you, more than likely leading to someone being Divine that you didn't want.

[Kleon]

Doesn't matter, if whoever becomes devine shows up or is mentioned in DA4 it will essentially be the same thing. EAWare choices that matter^tm.

[berrieh]

I feel like there are a lot of factors that impact it in-game.

 

Honestly, the "choice" of Divine is the best one yet in a DA game - I love that my actions influence it but that it's not just me selecting it directly. I wish there were MORE choices like this one. 

 

I do agree that not being able to talk about this - or anything - post-ending is a flaw in the game. I know we can play past the ending, but since everything basically ends at Skyhold and it doesn't have enough reactivity to the ending, it's not really fun to do so. I guess that's a difficult balance to strike. 

[JackPoint]

It's bioware remember, just pick a color

[SomberXIII]

It's bioware remember, just pick a color

God! You created an account for this? I can't believe it.

[SomberXIII]

It's bioware remember, just pick a color

Picking colors is always better than just following the straight line.

[New Kid]

I liked that our choices mattered, but the dialogue should have reflected our support. In my second playthrough I told Leliana she would be a bad divine and that I wouldn't support her, but she became divine anyway and in the post-game she doesn't mention me being against it and acts like I'm cool with it.

[galentv]

What did you do to have that mission show up in the first place? I was pro Mage Freedom all the way (allied with mages, repeatedly told Vivienne Mages should be free and told her I thought Leliana would make a good Divine, told Cassandra I didn't want the same things she wanted, etc.) and I never got Vivienne's "Support for the Divine" mission.

I really can't remember. I think I might have said something to Vivienne about restricting the mages. You might not have gotten it because the only way to do that is to be on Vivienne's side. That mission doesn't let you choose whether Leliana or Cassandra will be divine. It only lets Vivienneget elected I never did it and she ended up being elected anyway

[AlexMBrennan]

After you are visited by some church official you can talk to Leliana and Cassandra about them becoming divine, and if you are supportive you unlock a war table operation to "support Cassandra/Leliana". For those getting different results, are you sure you have done this? Having a nice chat with Cassandra does not count as "supporting" her.

[Dr. Rush]

Yeah, I sided with the mages and let Morrigan drink the pool. I was pretty liberal about letting mages be more free in my dialog choices. I didn't do this because I was trying to get Leliana, but I did want Leliana as Divine, and apparently it still wasn't enough.

 

Frankly, I have been a very vocal proponent of choice in RPG, but this isn't the right kind of choice. I don't want indirect choice that tries to approximate my opinion based on some scale or some script or some invisible points. That is not roleplaying, that is meta-gaming.

 

Please Bioware, don't do this again in the future. 

[schall_und_rauch]

Personally, I think the whole chantry/divine question was one of the weakest parts of the story.

Basicly, the whole chantry pretty much disappears once you move into Skyhold. With Roderick dead, there is no face representing the chantry. There is the college of clerics, but they never do stuff, you never interact with them.

And in the end, the choice is left between a killer/spy master/storyteller, a military police officer with little social skills and a high ranking circle mage -- none of whom are part of the chantry hierarchy at the time the choice is made. There is not a single member of the clerics, not one mother, no elder, no grand clerif, no ranking member of the chantry hierarchy who's claim is strong enough that you at least get to know her name.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, everybody died at the conclave. I never understood why the complete upper echolon of the chantry would go to an extremely bad secured place to negotiate peace talks with two highly agressive parties -- who didn't even bother to send their own leaders there.

And then the choice is made implicitly through actions which you didn't see as a representation of who should become Divine. There is no big revelation scene, no part of the story which gives the feel of "now is the time to chose a Divine" -- it all happens in the background.

 

In comparison to the climax at the Landsmeet, where everything made much more sense and you really had the feel that you take a justified decision in a credible story, I think this contains a lot of wasted potential.

[rayden54]

The absolutely best part about this thread...   is that we DID choose through our actions.  

 

If I say I support x, then that is my choice. Choice implies knowing that I'm making a choice. What we're doing instead is bungling around in the dark hoping that the people (NPCs) around us will interperate our actions a certain way.

 

I find myself almost done with this game and am wondering if I've already screwed it up. I'd be happy with anyone except Vivianne, but my guess is that's who I'll be stuck with. And I have no interest in playing this game over again.