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[Kenthen]

I told Cassandra that she shouldn't become the Divine, told Leliana that she should, I supported the independence of mages and somehow Cassandra became the Divine. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason somewhere, the way it turned out just went completely against what I would have expected.

 

To my knowledge I never got a war table operation to support either one though. Could just be that I, in a moment of weakness, found myself more bored with the war table than usual. Perhaps I just arbitrarily sent people to do whatever operatons my cursor happened to be closest to at the time without paying much attention and, as they say, **** happened. But I doubt it.

[Ieldra]

I told Cassandra that she shouldn't become the Divine, told Leliana that she should, I supported the independence of mages and somehow Cassandra became the Divine. I mean, I'm sure there's a reason somewhere, the way it turned out just went completely against what I would have expected.

 

To my knowledge I never got a war table operation to support either one though. Could just be that I, in a moment of weakness, found myself more bored with the war table than usual. Perhaps I just arbitrarily sent people to do whatever operatons my cursor happened to be closest to at the time without paying much attention and, as they say, **** happened. But I doubt it.

You get war table operations for Cassandra or Vivienne if you talk to them about becoming divine and say you'll support them. I've never seen more than one operation in a game, so it may be getting one locks the other(s) out. I've also not seen an operation to support Leliana.

 

All in all, I really like how your choices throughout the game influence who becomes divine in the end. I recall that the suggestion that things should more often work out that way, without a big one-time choice at the end, came up when talking about endings in general in the context of ME3. It seems Bioware has taken that one up, both in this outcome and the epilogue line about the general style of your Inquisition, and I appreciate it. It feels more natural. 

 

My impression is that if you roleplay consistently, you'll get what you want. For some people, the mechanic seems cryptic though. At some time, it would be nice to know the details, just so we know there isn't some odd bug in the calculation.

[Green Wyvern]

 

 

From what I have seen, mages = no Cassandra as divine

 I gave mages full alliance and was all game pro mage. Also said her she should remake Seekers but still she ended being new Divine. Yes I said I support her and I refused to support Leliana. Didn't even ask Viv.  

[FiveThreeTen]

On my fisrt playthrough I got the Divine I chose to support (Cassandra) even if all my choices in the major quests apparently didn't favor her (for example Mages as free allies), but it was consistent with my roleplay and the dialogue options I chose to take so no complains here.

 

I'm trying to get Softened Leliana as Divine for my current playthrough while conscripting the templars. We'll see how that goes. I want to see that Nug in the final ending slide.

[ThreeF]

Basically, you can't be wishy washy when it comes to who gets to be Divine. If you are pro mage freedom, then you'd better act like it, when you talk to Vivienne about this stuff, you'd better say that you are pro mage freedom, instead of saying what Vivienne wants to hear just to keep your approval high. Same goes with being pro Circle.

 

Not really, I did more or less that: Told VIviene she can spy on mages and that a mage should be a part of of a circle (this is a huge give away btw that Viviene can become the DIvine in the game) Viviene adored my Inquiaitor. Throught the game I stayed as neutral as it was possible and played the "they should decide themselves" card when it came to choosing the divine and I got Leliana (as expected).

I think this part of the game was one of the most clever and really makes DA a game of choices and consequences.

[madzilla84]

I didn't even know it *wasn't* a choice - I must have just been lucky with the choices I made. I didn't know your preferred candidate potentially could not be Divine. I allied with the mages and had Celene and Briala ruling, and supported Cassandra throughout, who became Divine. Until I came on these forums I didn't know you had to make specific choices!

[stonerbishop]

I think the thing to remember is that you are not picking the divine. You are supporting a candidate. That doesn't mean they get elected.

[S Seraff]

i was actually very surprised to hear that leliana was the next divine. i thought i'd have a more direct role to play there. ah well

[S Seraff]

I didn't even know it *wasn't* a choice - I must have just been lucky with the choices I made. I didn't know your preferred candidate potentially could not be Divine. I allied with the mages and had Celene and Briala ruling, and supported Cassandra throughout, who became Divine. Until I came on these forums I didn't know you had to make specific choices!

 

madzilla84 how did you get your profile pic? as far as i can tell i dont have access to that part of the Keep yet?!

[zeypher]

I found it was well done, the way you play, your choices, your view points is what selects a divine. A final choice should always be a culmination of the what you did throughout the game and the divine choice is just that. Now if you kept metagaming to get approvals with every companion and saying stuff just for approval then yes it will not work. I personally played it as a rpg and the choices i got so far in my 2 games match perfectly to my characters view points.

[NotBeouwulf]

People say they want their choices throughout the game to matter and then when they do they complain.

[Fearsome1]

It just seems like such an important choice to be left to meeting a correct hidden checklist that forces you to play differently.

 

I wholeheartedly agree with you.

 

The previous DA game endings revealed ramifications to specific decisions or RPG paths that we had taken in those earlier franchise games based upon our playthroughs, but this time the decision over who becomes Divine is far to "algorithm" for my tastes; and less about me having an actual impact on this outcome.

 

I did not for one minute feel like this was anything more than a forced option. The Inguisitor gets to decide the fates of quite a few npc's who stand for his/her judgment following select quests. I felt like the Chantry seeking an early release of both Cassandra & Leliana to aid in brokering the new divine was an indication that my player character would be able to weigh in, and that proved not to be the case. Talking to each of three ladies is one thing, but I wanted to be able to pursue my own chosen path in this otherwise excellent RPG, and it's funny that several Bioware folks constantly reinforced the importance of such decision making in Inquisition, only to snatch a major portion of it away from us in regards to who the new Divine ended up being? That should never have been a "peek-a-boo" reveal.

 

After placing one of our Inquisition members at the head of the Chantry, only then should internal algorithm data have altered possible ramifications from our decision. This and only this!

[Navasha]

Well, the Inquisitor isn't supposed to choose the divine.    Your recommendation carries some weight, but its still the Chantry clerics that choose.    No, I actually prefer it this way.   

 

All letting "us" choose will do is run into the same complaints in ME when "our" council choice decided to have an opinion of his own and step down.   We are not playing a GOD character who gets to just decide the future of the world for everyone.

[BloodyTalon]

Did any of you talk all the extra option perks for talking for the inquestion. Cause one of the biggest perks has the most impact on divine choice.

Nobility knowledge i I am recalling off hand in connections, is one of the most critical perks  in over all influence in the game for these type of choices. I had it first playthrough and my templar dwarf was sligghtly progressive...when cass was debating it I hit that option did some more talking with her and got a war table mission long before viv even asked about it.

I think the spymaster is the only one without a war table mission but then her quest to become divine is a little more personal

Sorry for typos and errors .

Modifié par BloodyTalon, 31 décembre 2014 - 05:14 .

[TheDragonOfWhy]

Mother Giselle advocates Cassandra therefore she is the only right choice.

I wouldn't trust Mother Giselle even if she was to tell me rain was wet. Now there's somebody I would love to grab by the scruf of the neck and throw out of Skyhold.

But speaking of advocating choice for Devine, does anyone know what happens if you don't choose? You don't have the conversation with either Cass or Lil, and just jump on with the plot?

[Edwardloyd]

i supported vivienne the whole game, all of my answers to everyone was pro chantry and traditional. I told cassandra and leliana NOT to become divine. especially leliana, who was all about "warden is waiting for me after this i will return to him i love him" and then "you know what i can become the divine!"

 

i played my whole game trying to pick perfect answers for vivienne to become divine. and in the end leliana became divine, against all her wishes for the warden. the only choice might result to this was maybe me siding with the mages, aside from that nothing else.

that's why epilogue was really game breaking for me. hey if you dont want us to choose a divine, then don't tease us with choices.

i'm sure divine picking mechanism is broken in the game.

[DementedSheep]

I'm fine with the way they handled it. This decision shouldn't be up to the inquisitor so instead they have you influence it in more subtle ways. 

[Raiil]

I like the fact that it can backfire. I tossed Cassadaga into the race, flat out told Leliana that she couldn't/shouldn't, and I'd already given Cass my blessing and Viv didn't ask for support. Leliana became divine. I'm cool with that. I'm not god.

[In Exile]

This was my only real gripe in the game, and on no way does it ruin the experience for me. I love this game, but from a perspective of the next installment(s) in the series, I really wish they would let us choose who becomes the next Divine. It seems like such an important choice that will affect the Inquisition and the world of future games. It's too big of an event to leave to hidden variables.

What if you want Cassandra as divine but also want to recruit the mages? From what I have seen, mages = no Cassandra as divine. The Inquisitor should be given a straight up choice by the Chantry near the end of the game..."who do you support as the next Divine?" Of course the Inquisitor has no real power to force the Chantry into naming the new Divine, but they will "highly regard" his suggestion which will lead to the new Divine being named.

It just seems like such an important choice to be left to meeting a correct hidden checklist that forces you to play differently.

 

The import is done via the Keep so you'll get to choose the Divine. As for how it works in this game, the mechanic is really cool. The fact that you can just pick whatever worldstate without playing through the game allows Bioware to explore more creative consequences of this sort. 

[Dr. rotinaj]

I'm fine with the way they handed it. This decision shouldn't be up to the inquisitor so instead they have you influence it in more subtle ways. 

 

This. I'm not bothered in the slightest because I don't consider the Divine to be a choice but a consequence.