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[robertthebard]

I'm actually curious now as to weather or not the old god soul is going to be the ultimate factor in the future here. It sounds like at the end Solas went to absorb Flemeth because the people, presumeably elves needed him, however we don't really know if he knew about Flemeth(Mythal) using Morrigan and the Hero of Fereldan/Alistair for the dark ritual.
 
Now since Flemeth is Mythal, she knows what Solas (Fen'Harel) did to the ancient elvan gods, assumeing the other stories are to be believed, she would likely also know the dread wolf would find her eventually, putting an end to her, and she wouldn't be able to stop him. The dark ritual could have been Mythal's plan to trick the trickster all along, and when he went to absorb/kill her, it allowed her to take over him instead.
 
Maybe I'm going too much into this though, but I feel like they wanted the dark ritual to be a major factor for the series, and this could change everything. Instead of Solas trying once agian to set things right, we would have Mythal freeing the other elvan gods upon the world. But if that was the case you would need two almost completely different stories for the next chapter of the series.

I'd say probably so, since the scene is the same either way. I have watched the OGB scene on youtube, and experienced the no child scene in game.

[Amirit]

The fact that it was Morrigan doing the ritual and getting the baby and being so secretive about the whole thing.

 

Not convinced that it's "pretty heavily implied". Morrigan changed during the game progression and far from evil, "secretive" - also not equal to "evil", ritual itself does not require anything bad (like blood), so, not evil either. It's mystical, yes, but allow to save lives (yours and Alistair). If it truly allows to preserve something so fascinating as a god of beauty - the better. Nothing "evil" in anything of it.

[robertthebard]

Not convinced that it's "pretty heavily implied". Morrigan changed during the game progression and far from evil, "secretive" - also not equal to "evil", ritual itself does not require anything bad (like blood), so, not evil either. It's mystical, yes, but allow to save lives (yours and Alistair). If it truly allows to preserve something so fascinating as a god of beauty - the better. Nothing "evil" in anything of it.

Wait. The God of Beauty that just finished leveling most of Ferelden? Tell me, out of curiosity, how deeply does that corruption go? We know, from Morrigan, and Riordan, that darkspawn have no souls, hence the archdemon can body jump, but how corrupted is that OG soul? I could not answer that question when I played Origins, so Morrigan has no baby in any of my WSs. I did have a DR save, because there's an achievement...

[Vanth]

Could someone summarise for me what happens regarding the Old God Baby in the series generally (and in particular in DA:I)? I never did the Dark Ritual in DA:O and since I used my Keep entries have never seen the consequences in DA:I (and probably never will). However, the ending without it didn't seem unnatural and I didn't feel "screwed".

[Amirit]

Wait. The God of Beauty that just finished leveling most of Ferelden? Tell me, out of curiosity, how deeply does that corruption go? We know, from Morrigan, and Riordan, that darkspawn have no souls, hence the archdemon can body jump, but how corrupted is that OG soul? I could not answer that question when I played Origins, so Morrigan has no baby in any of my WSs. I did have a DR save, because there's an achievement...

 

That was a corrupted version of the god Not to mention HE leveled only half of Denerim, the rest is on dark spawn. How far corruption goes? It kills a warden who makes the final blow - and that warden can be a mage. Morrigan is nothing but a simple mage, so, it's her funeral should corruption remain, and we still getting rid of Archdemon. Good enough to me.

[wcholcombe]

The Dark Ritual existed for one reason and one reason only, since the beginning, its only point was to give people who couldn't live with killing their character a way out.  That is the only purpose of it.  Bioware realized some people would cry bloody murder if there was no way to save their precious warden so they offered them the Dark Ritual.

 

True Wardens did their duty

[ent1]

Having played DA:I with both backgrounds, I did not see that much was missed at all. Kieran is presented very cryptically, and his presence or absence has little consequence other than some dialogue. If you did not do the ritual in DA:O and Kieran showed up, you would wonder who/what he was, but other than that, it doesn't matter.

[ent1]

The Dark Ritual existed for one reason and one reason only, since the beginning, its only point was to give people who couldn't live with killing their character a way out.  That is the only purpose of it.  Bioware realized some people would cry bloody murder if there was no way to save their precious warden so they offered them the Dark Ritual.

 

True Wardens did their duty

 

or let Loghain do it.

[EdwinLi]

It was an interesting scene the end. But basically they have done exactly the opposite of writing themselves into a corner. Because the end is so vague just about anything could happen.

The first line of the next installment could be Solas saying, ' I cant believe Flemmeth released to OGB. It is such a waste of potential. Ah well it is lost to us now.'

And everyone saw the scene of Flemmy releasing someithing. So done and done, no more OGB. Loose end gone never have to mention it again.

Of course as said the end is so vague they could do a complete 180 from that and it would still make sense. That is why the scene is interesting. It is well enough done looking at it you really have no idea what happened.

 

A interesting thing about the releasing part is that if players have the OG then the orb thing she release is Blue 

 

but

 

if there is no OG in the world state the Orb is a different color

[Imryll]

Maybe I'm going too much into this though, but I feel like they wanted the dark ritual to be a major factor for the series, and this could change everything. Instead of Solas trying once agian to set things right, we would have Mythal freeing the other elvan gods upon the world. But if that was the case you would need two almost completely different stories for the next chapter of the series.

I think that if they'd wanted the dark ritual to be central to the series, they wouldn't have offered TWO alternatives which allow the player to complete DAO while refusing it. I think it's purpose was to allow the Warden a selfish "out," choosing personal survival at unknowable cost. At the time I really resented feeling maneuvered into making the Ultimate Sacrifice, but in restrospect I'm glad my character did.

[Heimdall]

A interesting thing about the releasing part is that if players have the OG then the orb thing she release is Blue 

 

but

 

if there is no OG in the world state the Orb is a different color

Really?  Got a youTube link for that?  (Curious, not skeptical)

[Ogillardetta]

Maybe Solas gets thougher to beat in the dlc I think will come where we have to fight him. or he destroys like half of your army and injures/kills your LI because of the souls power? 

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

How does it screw you? You never need to see that annoying kid - ever. 

[Almostfaceman]

You miss out on some hugely important stuff.

 

 

 

It kinda sucks because in DAO it's pretty heavily implied the DARK is an evil and bad thing.  Granted there have been some character personality changes and Bioware really didn't know where that story arc was going at that point.

 

But still...I saw all these people talking about Kieren...I finally said "wtf" and looked him up and saw the big stuff around him, Flemeth and OG soul(?).

 

I always thought that the dark ritual was the most intriguing option near the end of Origins, so I think I almost always do the nasty with Morrigan. It also seemed like the most "obvious" future-material idea-mine as well. It yields interesting fruit, yes, with Inquisition. Though we still don't know the ultimate ramifications. But hey, that's choice, something some folks always cry about if they don't get it. Some choices should be less interesting than others. 

[Aren]

OGB story is over and nullified in DAI

[errantknight]

The Dark Ritual existed for one reason and one reason only, since the beginning, its only point was to give people who couldn't live with killing their character a way out.  That is the only purpose of it.  Bioware realized some people would cry bloody murder if there was no way to save their precious warden so they offered them the Dark Ritual.

 

True Wardens did their duty

Hmm, pretty sure judging other people's choices AND the writing of the game as inferior wins you no friends, lol.

[Angarma]

As has been said, part of an ending cutscene has Flemeth interact with the Eluvian.

It would seem possible, given the effects, that this shows her diverging out a soul.

 

Judging by her "horcrux-like" habits, this could be part of her own in an Ultimate Sacrifice world state.

For a Dark Ritual timeline, Urthemiel's might be that which is (presumably) sent into the Crossroads.

 

All this need affect, technically, is voice acting or dialogue changes within a continuation of that story arc.

Both results could fulfill the same role, should a scene need arise in response. So it may not matter that much.

 

Just on an off-note, is it me or does Erasthenes inadvertently relate Urthemiel to Mythal, at one point?