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[SpaceV3gan]

Today I decided to re-spec both Cole and my Inquisitor (Qunari mage). At level 22, my Qunari has 23 ability points to spend, while Cole has 27.
My Qunari has 10% Melee resistance (which serves no purpose) and some extra attribute points found on certain missions (those points are not assigned to the attribute of my choice).
Cole's 4 extra points can be translated into a significant number of well assigned attribute points when speced into passives, but most importantly, extra abilities.
Who is in fact more powerful in this case, the Inquisitor or Cole?

[TeamLexana]

Considering passives and abilities are the only way to get attribute points and most passives are as good as other da's sustainable effects without the negative stamina/mana costs.... I see your and understand your dilemma, lol.

[SpaceV3gan]

Actually you can get a lot of attribute points via Crafting. But that is not the point. I just mentioned them previously because some people could bring up as an advantage the fact that the Inquisitor receives permanent attribute points doing some missions and the companions don't.
Amulets of Power are still a much greater benefit.

[GhoXen]

Your Inquisitor has a disturbing few number of ability points. My level 24 inquisitor has 31 ability points (1 from Inquisition Perk).

 

I can only assume that you missed out a lot of Amulets of Power for your Inquisitor. Among my companions, only Varric possesses 30 ability points, but it's highly likely that I've missed out some amulets of power for the other companions who are anywhere between 27 to 29.

 

To be fair though, on most of my characters after 20-25 points I can only dump points into marginally useful passives from other trees.

[Xarius478]

Your Inquisitor has a disturbing few number of ability points. My level 24 inquisitor has 31 ability points (1 from Inquisition Perk).

 

Hmm, I have 30 points at level 24.  Did I miss an Amulet of Power?  I got the ones from Crestwood, Here Lies the Abyss, and Forbidden Oasis.

[iheartbob]

Where do you find the amulet of powers for your inquisitor in Crestwood?

[TeamLexana]

Being a human gives you an extra ability as well I think.

[Sevitan7]

Behind a door in the village, Daft Hands perk required.

[Selea]

Hmm, I have 30 points at level 24.  Did I miss an Amulet of Power?  I got the ones from Crestwood, Here Lies the Abyss, and Forbidden Oasis.

You can get an amulet of power from a perk. Then you missed two from the Operations it seems. (in total, you can have +10 points on a PC human inquisitor)

[hong]

Is there a list of all the AoP's you can get?

[Concept83]

Is there a list of all the AoP's you can get?

Don't know if there is an official list (perhaps google?) but my inquisitor ran into two of them in my first full playthrough. Behind locked door in the main town in Crestwood (deft hands perk) and collecting the million shards. Pro tip, collecting shards is a big time waste. Rewards are MEH! Won't be doing that again in my next playthroughs

[SpaceV3gan]

Well I've never come across a single Amulet of Power for my Inquisitor in 80 hours played with this character. Yesterday I've just killed Corypheus so at this point it won't matter. But I will be more attentive in my next playthrough not to miss them. I ignored the Shards completely though, I assumed from the beginning it was going to be a very long side quest with very little reward.
Regardless of having so few ability points, the game on Nightmare was a cakewalk. All the later Dragons and Bosses can be beaten with disdain.
If I had had 31 ability points instead of 23 it probably would not have been even funny.

[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Actually you can get a lot of attribute points via Crafting. But that is not the point. I just mentioned them previously because some people could bring up as an advantage the fact that the Inquisitor receives permanent attribute points doing some missions and the companions don't.
Amulets of Power are still a much greater benefit.

 

Considering how weak attribute points are, the "advantage" is indeed minimal. 

Attributes died for me as a priority when I found out Lyrium potions upgraded which gives +60 magic stat, only increased my damage by 20 flat points. 

[Wulfram]

I don't think I've encountered an Inquisitor amulet of power in two* playthroughs.

 

*actually 1.99

[omnitremere]

I've played through the game three times and got at least two every time.

[Magma_Axis]

What operations give amulet of power for PC ?

[GhoXen]

Well I've never come across a single Amulet of Power for my Inquisitor in 80 hours played with this character. Yesterday I've just killed Corypheus so at this point it won't matter. But I will be more attentive in my next playthrough not to miss them. I ignored the Shards completely though, I assumed from the beginning it was going to be a very long side quest with very little reward.
Regardless of having so few ability points, the game on Nightmare was a cakewalk. All the later Dragons and Bosses can be beaten with disdain.
If I had had 31 ability points instead of 23 it probably would not have been even funny.

 

Believe me, with a level 25 100% completionist party packing over 150 hours and geared to the death with Dragon parts, the final boss, and the final three dragons in Emprise can simply be AFKed as my followers took care of the menial tasks. I'm the tank too, so the followers were simply eating the attacks.

[Anelyn77]

While amulets of power are nice, they lose out fast as you get into mid game, since by that time you will already have the core of your skills (for survival / damage) and only thing that is left if you decide to reach level cap / get all points available is to get more passives (which while nice, won't really add much at that point).

 

Pretty much outside of your specialization tree, you will split points between 2 other trees normally (not filling them up, you either go for an ability that actually helps a lot and you need it active, or for passives).

 

IE: If I play an Assassin I won't need sunder effects, as I already have a ton of armor pen. Since I'm playing an Assassin, neither sera / varric / cole will need to get knockout powder / grenade either. If I run with Solas, nobody needs any CC for obvious reasons, etc.

[Selea]

IE: If I play an Assassin I won't need sunder effects, as I already have a ton of armor pen. 

 

And you do wrong since Ambush, for example, is one of the best skills on an Assassin. The difference from taking or not taking it on nightmare is as night and day. 50% AP outside of Stealth on an Assassin means 50% more damage on all enemies on nightmare.

Other very powerful skills on an Assassin that nobody takes (because they don't optimize their builds) is First Blood and Pincushion, but you naturally need more skill points to go there.

More skill points are the more useful the most specific the build is. I understand that even on nightmare on endgame the difficulty becomes trivial, but still from a purely enjoyment prospective on optimizing your class there's a great difference from doing 1-2k on a critical hit and 10-15k.

[Feranel]

And you do wrong since Ambush, for example, is one of the best skills on an Assassin. The difference from taking or not taking it on nightmare is as night and day. 50% AP outside of Stealth on an Assassin means 50% more damage on all enemies on nightmare.

Other very powerful skills on an Assassin that nobody takes (because they don't optimize their builds) is First Blood and Pincushion, but you naturally need more skill points to go there.

More skill points are the more useful the most specific the build is. I understand that even on nightmare on endgame the difficulty becomes trivial, but still from a purely enjoyment prospective on optimizing your class there's a great difference from doing 1-2k on a critical hit and 10-15k.

 

Does pincushion apply to dual daggers?  I've seen videos of Dagger Rogues specced into it but I wasn't sure.

[Selea]

Does pincushion apply to dual daggers?  I've seen videos of Dagger Rogues specced into it but I wasn't sure.

 

Yes it does. Also if the tooltip is misleading the skill is actually weapon agnostic (and actually much better on a DW rogue than an archer given the speed of attacks, especially with AOE daggers).