155 réponses à ce sujet

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

In a banter between dorian and bull, dorian talks about the war with the qunari and bull comes back by saying... "wait, tevinter actually considers it a war? We've basically been screwing around to kill time."

So basically i dont think tevinter is as strong as everyone is making them out to be....

Dorian himself (Fenris too, I believe) even says anyone in Tevinter who actually thinks they can beat the Qunari are kidding themselves, so yeah, I don't think they're quite at the top anymore either. Don't think they'd top Orlais, anywho.

[myahele]

Antiva has a weak mitary and probably could be easily invaded, but they have Crows. They can easily assassinate whoever is in charge.

The weakest military I think will have to be rivain or individual free march city states

[Maverick_One]

Me personally I'd argue that whatever Ferelden lack in numbers the Ash Warriors might make up with Battle Wrath and Mabari.

[geth117]

In a banter between dorian and bull, dorian talks about the war with the qunari and bull comes back by saying... "wait, tevinter actually considers it a war? We've basically been screwing around to kill time."

So basically i dont think tevinter is as strong as everyone is making them out to be....

I think thats more of joke from bull then actual fact as he been to tevinter before and he is a qunari spy. He would most like know this already

[Kieran G.]

Me personally I'd argue that whatever Ferelden lack in numbers the Ash Warriors might make up with Battle Wrath and Mabari.

ash warriors are shock troops so they aren't use for regular military campaigns and their aren't many of them, and considering all that died at ostagar their most likely even a smaller amount of them in ferelden.

[Br3admax]

Yes rivain does. they have openly converted to the Qun and the Qunari protect their own like the Arishok protected those elves from kirkwall. 

A few northern cities converted to the Qun. It's not live Rivain itself did. 

[Maverick_One]

ash warriors are shock troops so they aren't use for regular military campaigns and their aren't many of them, and considering all that died at ostagar their most likely even a smaller amount of them in ferelden.

Been 10 years who knows how many criminals have wanted redemption and been accepted and joined their ranks. For all we know it is made up now of surviving soldiers of Howe and Loghain. As the Soviets proved using their Deep Battle tactics shock troops can be quite effective. Besides by the time the any nation besides the Orlesians came south how big of an invading army would be left? Though I see your point and it is a good one.

 

I am just trying to look at it from all points of views. I mentioned Orzammar earlier. When I think of ones for the other countries I will think. Of them.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

The inquisition under Envy's command. 

[Kieran G.]

A few northern cities converted to the Qun. It's not live Rivain itself did. 

a few cities openly converted to the qun, but there is an obvious high population of Qunari converts since the Chantry committed genocide against rivain since they wouldn't give up the Qun or their Ancient religion. The qunari obviously has influence over rivain otherwise this nation wouldn't let Qunari forces march around and let these cities go about their own faith. 

[Br3admax]

a few cities openly converted to the qun, but there is an obvious high population of Qunari converts since the Chantry committed genocide against rivain since they wouldn't give up the Qun or their Ancient religion. The qunari obviously has influence over rivain otherwise this nation wouldn't let Qunari forces march around and let these cities go about their own faith. 

I believe for something to be obvious, more than our opinion has to back that up, no?

[Maverick_One]

Actually I go with Antiva having the strongest military. "What" you say? "Impossible". I won't give it away for those who haven't seen it but there is one codex entry that talks about a Queen of Antiva, What she did and the results.

[Kieran G.]

I believe for something to be obvious, more than our opinion has to back that up, no?

touche. 

 

But i do still believe that Rivain is a strong force in thedas because of its immediate ties to the Qunari and since the Qunari protect their converts.

[Kieran G.]

Actually I go with Antiva having the strongest military. "What" you say? "Impossible". I won't give it away for those who haven't seen it but there is one codex entry that talks about a Queen of Antiva, What she did and the results.

They don't have a military force, they buy a security force. and said security forces can be bought out, leaving antiva defenseless.

[Han Shot First]

The city-state of Kirkwall would get my vote for the weakest militarily.

 

The traditional leaders of Kirkwall were unable to prevent the Templars from dominating their city, a small force of Qunari successfully occupied much of the city and killed the Viscount, and whatever military forces it had was completely unable to contain the Templars or Mages when they started battling each other.

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

The Barbarian tribles if united are a force to rival that of the military forces. For me it would be the Chasind Wilder as a whole.

[Maverick_One]

They don't have a military force, they buy a security force. and said security forces can be bought out, leaving antiva defenseless.

I am not talking about buying anything I am talking about a very smart queen. 

 

Spoiler

Asha Campana wanted to protect Antiva so she married her children, and grandchildren into many of the noble families in Thedas. Her blood runs through royalty of Nevarra, Orlais, Starkhaven, Anderfels, and some of the Magisters of Tevinter.

 

 

So can you really buy out that?

[Kieran G.]

I am not talking about buying anything I am talking about a very smart queen. 

 

Spoiler

Asha Campana wanted to protect Antiva so she married her children, and grandchildren into many of the noble families in Thedas. Her blood runs through royalty of Nevarra, Orlais, Starkhaven, Anderfels, and some of the Magisters of Tevinter.

 

 

So can you really buy out that?

Gaspard and Celene are cousins and that didn't stop war. family ties are strong but that doesn't stop war. even if you are marred to a brother or sister of your enemy, they are still an enemy.

 

Andraste's Children chldren fought with each other over modern Orlais and Nevarra. 

 

I could use real world examples but this is about a fictional land.

[Sifr]

The city-state of Kirkwall would get my vote for the weakest militarily.

 

The traditional leaders of Kirkwall were unable to prevent the Templars from dominating their city, a small force of Qunari successfully occupied much of the city and killed the Viscount, and whatever military forces it had was completely unable to contain the Templars or Mages when they started battling each other.

 

Plus even with Aveline running the guards and making them an actual credible organisation, it was still Hawke who dealt with most of the criminal gangs that were active in Kirkwall, typically by killing them off and letting the guards clean up the mess afterwards. It reminds me of that conversation where she asks why Hawke hasn't applied for a job, since s/he seems to spend most of their time actively doing most of her job for her?

[Han Shot First]

Antiva is militarily weak according to the lore. Its pretty much stated outright in the country's codex entry.

[Maverick_One]

Gaspard and Celene are cousins and that didn't stop war. family ties are strong but that doesn't stop war. even if you are marred to a brother or sister of your enemy, they are still an enemy.

 

Andraste's Children chldren fought with each other over modern Orlais and Nevarra. 

 

I could use real world examples but this is about a fictional land.

True but wouldn't also be all the excuse say Nevarra needed to lend Military aide to  Antiva as an example? Tevinter to get more power in the south? I guess I worded it wrong. Mostly my point is that it would be a convient excuse to lend a fighting force for ulterior motives simply because you have blood ties from several ages ago.

[Kieran G.]

True but wouldn't also be all the excuse say Nevarra needed to lend Military aide to  Antiva as an example? Tevinter to get more power in the south? I guess I worded it wrong. Mostly my point is that it would be a convient excuse to lend a fighting force for ulterior motives simply because you have blood ties from several ages ago.

"To lend a fighting force for ulterior motives." 

 

Antiva has no real power except their words and money. and as any gaspard fan would say (which i am not) that truly means nothing in the wake of a warrior.

 

Antiva is only a threat if you give them power since they have no real power of their own, they have all these farms and mines but where do those resources go? not giving arms to their own soldiers but selling said material to other nations outfitting their soldiers, battlements, lands. you see the conundrum? the only way antiva can survive is by selling said material to other nations so their economy doesn't crash, but by doing so makes them truly defenseless.

[Sifr]

True but wouldn't also be all the excuse say Nevarra needed to lend Military aide to  Antiva as an example? Tevinter to get more power in the south? I guess I worded it wrong. Mostly my point is that it would be a convient excuse to lend a fighting force for ulterior motives simply because you have blood ties from several ages ago.

 

I don't know. To use a real world example, this is like how most of the nobility in Europe are related, with Queen Victoria's children and grandchildren being married off to various houses in the same fashion as the Queen of Antiva. Even so, this didn't stop any of them from waging a World War against each other less than a generation or so later.

 

As for your example, I could see it being a good excuse to employ that Nevarra was going to help their "traditional allies" while actually getting involved for completely self-serving reasons, but it really depends on how well their diplomats managed to spin that lie to all parties involved?

[Artichoke]

Orlais does, this has been confirmed.  After that its probably the Qunari.

[Sifr]

Orlais does, this has been confirmed.  After that its probably the Qunari.

 

Nevarra, Ferelden and the entire Free Marches beg to differ, having all kicked Orlais to the curb.

[pengwin21]

Nevarra, Ferelden and the entire Free Marches beg to differ, having all kicked Orlais to the curb.

 

These countries primarily managed to evict Orlesian occupants through guerrilla tactics which does not necessarily make them more powerful militarily. Only Nevarra can really threaten Orlais.