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[Br3admax]

Not hating. I'm pretty sure (though I can't remember where, WoT maybe?) that I've read the Nevarra has the largest military. And while I may be biased the only military edge Orlais has over the rest of Thedas are the Chevalier. 

I don't recall any source saying Nevarra has the largest military, and the millitary edge Orlais has over the rest of Thedas is having a larger, more powerful, and more well funded army. Just like every other military edge in history. 

If Ferelden had the money to train their officers like the Orlesians Ferelden would be the big dick in southern Thedas.

Lol

 

 

And let's not forget that a farmboy turned bandit turned freedom fighter kicked the mighty lion out of Ferelden.

Let's not forget they didn't fight anywhere near the full might of the Orlesian Empire and that a dragon flew through and attacked and raised the other army and surrounding countryside. In fact, the emperor basically stopped giving support at this point. If he wanted to role an entire army through Ferelden, for some reason, he could have. 

[MoonDrummer]

Dog lords for lyfe

[Kieran G.]

Actually Rivian has the only Qunari settlement on Thedas (Kont-aar). And their Andrastianism is mostly a formality. The people of Rivain follow the Natural Order.

Don't forget the ancient bad blood the Rivaini have with the adrastian church for the genocide committed against them. 

[Steelcan]

Don't forget the ancient bad blood the Rivaini have with the adrastian church for the genocide committed against them. 

they are still nominally Andrastian, and are not allied with the Qunari, in fact Iron Bull says the Qunari have no alliances whatsoever

[Hellion Rex]

Don't forget the ancient bad blood the Rivaini have with the adrastian church for the genocide committed against them. 

Ummmm, not so much. The government and royalty are still heavily Andrastian figures.

[gothicshark]

Nevarra, Ferelden and the entire Free Marches beg to differ, having all kicked Orlais to the curb.

You understand that an occupying force is always at a disadvantage. No matter how strong they are.

Rome was the only Occupying Empire to successfully hold foreign lands, and they had a hard time doing so in the Middle East. Which is what the Ancient Tevinter Empire was modeled after.

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I should point out that most other great and powerful empires like China, never controlled lands with different racial and cultural backgrounds.

Great Britain held the largest Empire, but they wiped out most of the indigenous populations and moved in massive colonies of their own people. Which only allowed them to maintain control for 200 years. Rome lasted 600 to 1000 depending on which definition of the Roman Empire you use.

[helpthisguyplease]

Well Tevinter has what the other nations of Thedas lack and that is experienced soldiers and battle harden mages lots of battle harden mages. Also they seem to be united, yes the magisters fight each other but the Archon is the one who make the decisions. And he can  do it because if the current magister council does not agree with him he will appoint more that will agree with him.

[Kieran G.]

they are still nominally Andrastian, and are not allied with the Qunari, in fact Iron Bull says the Qunari have no alliances whatsoever

actually they are not. 

 

Brother genitivi is quoted to say ""The Chant of Light never truly reached the ears of these people. Resistance to the Chant goes deeper than the Qunari Wars"

 

The circle is only a formality so they dont suffer more exalted marches, and the fact their mage's can leave when ever they choose was one of the reason the circle was destroyed.

[Kieran G.]

Ummmm, not so much. The government and royalty are still heavily Andrastian figures.

Give me a codex entry, because i have only seen codex's and history showing hatred and distrust for the andrastian church.

[Steelcan]

actually they are not. 

 

Brother genitivi is quoted to say ""The Chant of Light never truly reached the ears of these people. Resistance to the Chant goes deeper than the Qunari Wars"

 

The circle is only a formality so they dont suffer more exalted marches, and the fact their mage's can leave when ever they choose was one of the reason the circle was destroyed.

but they aren't Qunari allied, and they are at least nominally Andrastian....so....

[Steelcan]

Rome was the only Occupying Empire to successfully hold foreign lands, and they had a hard time doing so in the Middle East. Which is what the Ancient Tevinter Empire was modeled after.

Not true in the slightest,  the Mongols held Russia under the "Tartar Yoke" for centuries, the Norman and Anglo-Saxon conquests on England come to mind, the Greek states in the Middle East after Alexander, the Soviet satellite states following WW2, there are many examples

[Br3admax]

Give me a codex entry, because i have only seen codex's and history showing hatred and distrust for the andrastian church.

WoT claims the nobility is devout Andrastian. They are more progressive, if out of necessity to keep the peace. 

[Hellion Rex]

I accept that Rivain is melting pot. Everyone is welcome as long as you respect the Seers. Even the royalty acknowledge their power.

That's a fair assertion to make.

[helpthisguyplease]

Not true in the slightest,  the Mongols held Russia under the "Tartar Yoke" for centuries, the Norman and Anglo-Saxon conquests on England come to mind, the Greek states in the Middle East after Alexander, the Soviet satellite states following WW2, there are many examples

What the mongols had was in no way a occupation, the Norman integrated themselves with the Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Saxon became the majority on the isles after many bloody wars. The greek states accepted the local culture and religion so they were not greek states in my opinion the Soviet satelite states resisted and got their independence in less then 100 years.

[gothicshark]

Not true in the slightest,  the Mongols held Russia under the "Tartar Yoke" for centuries, the Norman and Anglo-Saxon conquests on England come to mind, the Greek states in the Middle East after Alexander, the Soviet satellite states following WW2, there are many examples

The Mongols Breeded with the Local Populations, making them a singular people. Same with the Normans, Anglo-Saxons. The Greek States after Alexander became Nations with one Population group ruled by an Elite group partially related to Greeks, The Soviets didn't last 100 years. Only Rome was able to control a multi-racial, Multi-Ethnic, and Multi-Cultural empire for greater than 200 years.

[Kieran G.]

WoT claims the nobility is devout Andrastian. They are more progressive, if out of necessity to keep the peace. 

I don't remember that, but i will concede to that point.

 

but they aren't Qunari allied, and they are at least nominally Andrastian....so....

I more stated that the Qunari protect their convert, no matter where they come from.

 

and then the discussions about rivain.

[helpthisguyplease]

The Mongols Breeded with the Local Populations, making them a singular people. Same with the Normans, Anglo-Saxons. The Greek States after Alexander became Nations with one Population group ruled by an Elite group partially related to Greeks, The Soviets didn't last 100 years. Only Rome was able to control a multi-racial, Multi-Ethnic, and Multi-Cultural empire for greater than 200 years.

What about the Han empire with the Vietnamese?

[gothicshark]

What about the Han empire with the Vietnamese?

20 years.

Also the Vietnamese are not racially, or culturally diverse from the Chinese. The only real difference is climate and agricultural options.

[helpthisguyplease]

20 years.

Also the Vietnamese are not racially, or culturally diverse from the Chinese. The only real difference is climate and agricultural options.

Yeah way more a lot more then that check, they even had over a hundred years of not rebellion during the second Chinese domination of Vietnam.

[Steelcan]

What the mongols had was in no way a occupation, the Norman integrated themselves with the Anglo-Saxon and Anglo-Saxon became the majority on the isles after many bloody wars. The greek states accepted the local culture and religion so they were not greek states in my opinion the Soviet satelite states resisted and got their independence in less then 100 years.

the Mongols absolutely occupied Russia

 

The Normans didn't integrate overnight

 

The Saxons never never outnumbered native celt/romans, recent studies suggest they may have been 30-40% of the population at most, nor were the wars particularly bloody

 

the Greeks didn't adapt to local culture or religion at all really.  Only in Egypt was there any assimilation, and that was largely religious syncretism.  Other states such as the Seleucids or the Macedonians maintained their culture and religious beliefs until the rise of Christianity, and in some areas not until the rise of Islam.  Anatolia was culturally Greek until the Seljuk invasions

[helpthisguyplease]

the Mongols absolutely occupied Russia

 

The Normans didn't integrate overnight

 

The Saxons never never outnumbered native celt/romans, recent studies suggest they may have been 30-40% of the population at most, nor were the wars particularly bloody

 

the Greeks didn't adapt to local culture or religion at all really.  Only in Egypt was there any assimilation, and that was largely religious syncretism.  Other states such as the Seleucids or the Macedonians maintained their culture and religious beliefs until the rise of Christianity, and in some areas not until the rise of Islam.  Anatolia was culturally Greek until the Seljuk invasions

What kind of occupation allows you to do what you want to do as long as you pay tribute hell the mongols did not even bothered to collect tribute.

True about normans

I guess you can not call someone celt/roman when you have the anglo-saxon culture.

Macedonia was not occupied it was the place from where the empire expanded.

I have no idea why does the rise of Chrisitanity has any importance to being occupated.

Yep Anatolia  was still it was more like another empire taking chunks of another not occupying all which I thing is what we are talking about a state occupying another state not people of another culture but without a state occupying the territory of another culture be either the whole state or not.

[gothicshark]

Yeah way more a lot more then that check, they even had over a hundred years of not rebellion during the second Chinese domination of Vietnam.

Han dynasty - 206 BC - 71 BC (Wang Mang's reign 71bc- 13ad <-not han) 13 AD –220 AD
First Time Slot - 135 years
Second Time Slot - 207 years
Also They never controlled any people that wasn't "Asian ethnic group", Specifically they never controlled anyone who wasn't of the same Cultural and ethnic background.

Largest holdings.


Heck even the Anglo, Saxons, and Normans had greater ethnic and cultural differences than China and Vietnam of that era. Troll harder next time. My point was that Orlais was an occupying force trying to rule a culturally different people. Only Ancient Rome pulled that trick off. Or in DA lore only ancient Tevinter pulled that trick off.

Rome Lasted from 27BC to 330AD, or 1453AD depending on Definition. For 200 years there map looked like this.


That's 3 Continental regions, over 100 ethnic groups, and notice the Eastern Part includes the Most volatile place on Earth. Rome literally had to remove the entire indigenous population of the Eastern pocket in 70ad. Sure China had a greater Land mass, and population, it still does, but it is a nearly homogeneous society.

No nation/Empire on Earth has ever done what Rome did, until the Spanish and British. And they had to enslave and wipe out local populations to do it.

[MoonDrummer]

You are very wrong about the British empire