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[JnEricsonx]

Can't decide, thoughts?   Oh yeah, will be making her a Elf, so maybe the 25% ranged defense counts towards my decision?

[EngineerEd]

I don't think the ranged defense will help that much either way, as hopefully your tank will be the one taking aggro from archers. DW Rogues I suppose will likely be shot at more often by archers than archer rogues though.

 

In my admittedly very little experience dabbling with both classes, I feel that DW Rogue takes a bit more effort to successfully use in combat. Archer on the other hand, is quite simple in my experience. 

[NextGenCowboy]

Depends on the difficulty you're playing on. Archers give the easiest time, perhaps out of all classes, and have 2 astounding specializations. So, if you're planning on running through higher difficulties, then I'd save an Archer run for that. If you're playing throuh Hard/Nightmare now, then Archer will give you an easier time.

 

Archers lack the constant damage flow of a DW Rogue, but make up for it with spike damage. Their abilities take longer to come off cooldown, but they have extremely powerful abilities that synergize very well with the Inquis Specs.

 

If you're picking for role playing, then decide which one you think fits your character better. 25% Ranged Defense will almost always be useful too. If for nothing else than taking less damage from Archers.

[actionhero112]

Archer is lower damage by nature of it's weapon type, but it's easier to play. I don't think it's safer however, it's just as vulnerable to range as DW rogues are. DW rogue is the hardest class in the game, but also does the most damage. 

 

I personally think combat in this game is easy, and think DW rogue is by far the most fun, because it offers the most challenge and is the most satisfactory to play, but if you want a easier to play rogue, archery is definitely your friend. 

[NextGenCowboy]

I haven't seen a DW Rogue comes close to the damage numbers of a Archer with the right specializations. Outside of using Thousand Cuts, which can be done on both.

[actionhero112]

I haven't seen a DW Rogue comes close to the damage numbers of a Archer with the right specializations. Outside of using Thousand Cuts, which can be done on both.

 

I never get tired of this vid. Really shows the dps of a DW rogue. There isn't an archer equivalent, though you're welcome to look. 

[NextGenCowboy]

Well then, I stand corrected.

 

I don't need to look, I know what an Archer/Assassin can do. It's not quite that.

[actionhero112]

I mean it's not like archer assassin has bad dps. It's closer to DW dps than any other specialization. But it's weapon type holds it back. 

 

Cool thing about the archer is that it has the coolest looking move in the game imo, Leaping shot. 

[NextGenCowboy]

Even with a Mark of Death, Stealthed Full Draw, Hidden Blades, MoD Activation, and then Leaping Shot, you're still looking at between, say, 28-34k damage (Level 17). That's a lot, but that video's nuts.

 

I will say this, my next playthrough will definitely by a DW Rogue. =p

[ssltrain]

I used a DW Rogue my first playthrough (that's always my favorite class anyway). 

 

By the end (I did most but not all side quests), I was a level 22, Tempest specialization with two crafted daggers with 355 dps each, and pretty much everything in my path melted in seconds.

 

Specced right, the DW Rogue inflicts more damage than any other class.

[Coyote X Starrk]

Archer > DW

 

DW is great early on until you reach a point where the enemies you are facing have AoE swings and can accidentally hit you which takes you out of stealth and takes a sizable chunk of your health away.

 

Once I hit around 16 on my Rogue I simply couldn't take it anymore and switched to Archer 

 

Have not regretted it since. 

 

I love my Archer. The damage output is comparable to the DW output without any of the extra hassle or danger. You are dropping bombs from a distance instead of upclose and the added utility of your back flip escape shot (I can't think of the name right now sorry) being an escape move AND a very good damage dealer makes you very hard to take down if you happen to get a guy in your face. 

 

Plus its easier to gear for in my opinion. 

 

Only have to find 1 good bow instead 2 good daggers. 

 

(The bows later on look badass) 

[Selea]

DW is great early on until you reach a point where the enemies you are facing have AoE swings and can accidentally hit you which takes you out of stealth and takes a sizable chunk of your health away.

 

If you want to play a DW rogue as a warrior then equip +guard masterwork. Problem solved. You will do less DPS and not play as a Rogue, but at last you will be able to do what you want to do (i.e. standing always in melee in the same exact spot like a fighter, not minding about evading blows that you can see from a mile away).

[ssltrain]

What dagger schematic and crafting material did you use?

Eh, if I recall, I used a Masterwork Crow Blade with Masterwork Dagger Grip. I have one with a Master Dragon Slaying Rune and the other with a Master Corrupting Rune. I can't recall what metals/materials I used to craft them. I had a lot of rare metals so I just used the ones that gave me the highest DPS.

 

I used the default names that it gave the blades after I crafted them. The one with the dragon rune was a "Deadly Healing Dagger" with 380 DPS, 116 damage, +32 damage vs. dragons, +11% critical dmg bonus, +6 heal on kill. The other with the corrupting rune was "Bleeding Brutal Dagger" with 355 DPS, 106 damage, +32 dmg vs corrupted, +6% attack, +7% bleed on hit, on dying: 10% chance to heal for half health.

 

The stats could have been even better if I'd had better cloths/leathers, but I'd used them on a Masterwork Dual-Blade slicer that I wound up not using.

[rda]

DW rogues are a bit squishy early game but after you start getting decent crafting materials and schematics, they're unbelievably fun killing machines.

[Anelyn77]

DW is highest damage achievable in game (with or without focus abilities). But Archery gives you a bit more freedom on how you spec / gear (ie: having heal on hit, guard on hit, max armor you can craft / dps etc isn't a must with them).

[Arkwright99]

I love my Archer. The damage output is comparable to the DW output without any of the extra hassle or danger. You are dropping bombs from a distance instead of upclose and the added utility of your back flip escape shot (I can't think of the name right now sorry) being an escape move AND a very good damage dealer makes you very hard to take down if you happen to get a guy in your face.

Can I ask what Specialization you went with for your Rogue, and whether the choice you (presumably) made for your DW Rogue was a good fit when you swapped to Archery or whether you'd have picked a different Spec.?

 

(I'm a lvl 12 Archer atm and have the necessary gear to go Tempest Spec. but am wondering whether the Assassin or Artificer Specs would be worth pursuing instead.)

[Pajuschka]

I played both and I think archer is better. It's quite a fun to play. And as much as I loved DW rogues in previous games, it seems to me like you need a lot of leveling before it is to any use in DA:I. 

[Zenthar Aseth]

I played both and I think archer is better. It's quite a fun to play. And as much as I loved DW rogues in previous games, it seems to me like you need a lot of leveling before it is to any use in DA:I. 

Not true. DW rogue is good/very good from level 1. But it gets insanely good when you get levels and gear, because it scales so well.

 

In fact, I don't really understand why people keep saying rogue is bad at early levels. Do they try to play rogue as a warrior? That is kind of possible as well if you take Parry, but rogue does its role perfectly well from the start -- insta-killing mages and archers and doing tons of damage from behind to the frontliners while your tank has their attention.

[Matth85]

Not true. DW rogue is good/very good from level 1. But it gets insanely good when you get levels and gear, because it scales so well.

 

In fact, I don't really understand why people keep saying rogue is bad at early levels. Do they try to play rogue as a warrior? That is kind of possible as well if you take Parry, but rogue does its role perfectly well from the start -- insta-killing mages and archers and doing tons of damage from behind to the frontliners while your tank has their attention.

 

What he said.

Archer Rogue - solid low level.

DW Rogue - solid low level.

Mage - bad low level.

Warrior - OKish low level.

[Zahnen]

I would suggest starting the game as an Archer and then around Mid to Late game swapping to Daggers.  Early game you don't have enough tools to avoid/counter cleave damage so you spend to much time "waiting" just outside combat when killing certain enemies/packs.

 

Around Mid to Late game (depending on your gear) you can start to wade into the mix and take a few hits without painting the ground which means your "active DPS" goes up.  A dagger rogue has the highest damage in the game WHEN it is hitting things.

 

Until you get late game though you will still have to micromanage your rogue a lot with daggers to keep him from doing stupid things.  The same can be said for all classes its just a little worse for melee.

[Wompoo]

Nice  thread, will have to give the DW a try... curious now

[Zenthar Aseth]

I would suggest starting the game as an Archer and then around Mid to Late game swapping to Daggers.  Early game you don't have enough tools to avoid/counter cleave damage so you spend to much time "waiting" just outside combat when killing certain enemies/packs.

Have you tried Parry?