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[Battlebloodmage]

Against elf? She rebuffs everything that paint elves in positive light. Speaking to her about elves always rack disapproval, especially if you're an elf as well. From her story, she hates elves because her adopted family makes her believe something is wrong for being elf, but then, she goes right around and dislike anything that paints elf in positive light. Putting Briala who tries to fight for elf's rights will make her disapprove of the decision, bring her to elf related stuffs and she will badmouth everything. As a city elf, I understand why she doesn't like the Dalish, but it's not just the Dalish since she dislikes elves in general.

[raging_monkey]

Its complicated...

[nranola]

I think Sera's just generally against any form of exclusivity, because let's be honest that does give way to a host of problems - discrimination being one of them. It doesn't help that she's really confused about her faith too lol.

[AresKeith]

She doesn't hate elves so much as elven separatism. That's why she doesn't like the Dalish or Briala. She just thinks that people are people whatever their race.

[Cid Revolution]

Briala manipulated servants at the expense of their safety in order to advance her political agenda. That's why Sera doesn't like her. Anything too big for it's britches generally scores negative points for her.

[InstantNoodlez]

But in her past, she was also angry with a man whom she thought was racist against elves.

 

I think she is like a minority brought up in a population mostly hostile to her general demographic, while not afforded any close connection to others in her demographic, raised on a religion that she believes in since it was what she was taught since young, which actually states her species as inferior. If that doesn't cause some self identity issues, I'd be more worried.

 

So in the end, she drew her lines by wealth and class. I have the feeling that she is distrustful of magic partially due to the current rebellion, but mostly due to her chantry upbringing. 

[Battlebloodmage]

She doesn't hate elves so much as elven separatism. That's why she doesn't like the Dalish or Briala. She just thinks that people are people whatever their race.

Although the problem is not that elves don't want to be a part of human's society, it's that they're not allowed to. Most high positions are being exclusive to the humans, and they're being forced to live in the alienage. They're not separate from humans by choice but because they're being forced to. Elves are just gathered together to gain strength in numbers to fight for political power.  

[Former_Fiend]

Although the problem is not that elves don't want to be a part of human's society, it's that they're not allowed to. Most high positions are being exclusive to the humans, and they're being forced to live in the alienage. They're not separate from humans by choice but because they're being forced to. Elves are just gathered together to gain strength in numbers to fight for political power.  

 

Sera's answer to that would probably be something along the lines of "Well they all need to stop being stupid!"

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Sera is a realist she needs to see something in order to believe it.

[Battlebloodmage]

If you paid attention, she can't wear elf specific items. She doesn't want to associate herself with elves. I find her character to be very fascinating. She wasn't a part of the oppressed city elf. The people who mistakenly made her felt ashamed of being elf weren't doing it out of evil intentions. In a way, I feel like Sera has been sheltered from the life of an elf since she lives her life as a human. 

[InstantNoodlez]

I find her response to the world and her effects on the world somewhat realistic.

 

She has her biases and her anger and her own sense of justice. All that she does as Red Jenny does not affect the bigger picture though. The nobles will still play their games. The chantry is still partly ineffective and partly corrupt. The templars and mages will still rampage over normal people's lives. You get rid of one noble, another strolls up to screw you over all the same. It is like a pebble in the pond, just as any effort to change a pre-established system by the laymen a pebble in the pond.

 

In the end to make a difference she had to join the Inquisition, which is mostly run by nobles and religious figures, supported by mages and elven traditionalist(s), people who play the game, people with power.

[InstantNoodlez]

If you paid attention, she can't wear elf specific items. She doesn't want to associate herself with elves. I find her character to be very fascinating. She wasn't a part of the oppressed city elf. The people who mistakenly made her felt ashamed of being elf weren't doing it out of evil intentions. In a way, I feel like Sera has been sheltered from the life of an elf since she lives her life as a human. 

 

She reminds me of a friend who immigrated young from a fairly different culture, raised mostly surrounded by her new culture, and could not connect with her parents and their culture at all.

 

At the same time people see her and respond to her by appearances alone, thinking she is something she really is not. She ended up with the habit of putting down her parents' culture any chance she got. To fit in maybe? To separate herself from those so different but with the same face and skin? I feel kinda bad for her.

 

I am annoyed by Sera to degrees, but I also see where she is coming from, with poverty another issue. I feel bad sometimes for Sera too.

[veeia]

Sera's all mixed up and doesn't feel like she belongs anywhere, so she directs her rage to anyone who she feels would exclude her, especially her own race, because she never found a place there.

That perspective gives her some good insights, but also huge blind spots.

[akabane_k]

She dislikes people who think they are better than other people, people that manipulate others, or just those that live well at the cost of other people's suffering.

[Bann Duncan]

I think Sera's just generally against any form of exclusivity, because let's be honest that does give way to a host of problems - discrimination being one of them. It doesn't help that she's really confused about her faith too lol.

 

No, if you choose the dwarf/qunari equivalents of "I'm an elf, but I'm here for everyone" upon becoming Inquisitor, she's fine but disapproves of the elf one.

 

She has an issue with elves.

 

I don't mind that that's an aspect of her character per se. I mind that people deny it.

[ArvinDulku]

Nah, whilst my protags have difficulty connecting with her, their takeaway from her is that she sees people as simply people and the Elven (and specfically Dalish) constant need to live in the past (which she does make clear is something she considers stupid and backwards) and seperate to be, well, she doesn't like it.

 

...Wait, that kinda does sound racist.

 

Huh.

 

...

 

Oh well, me and her can be anti-Dalish together.

[Battlebloodmage]

Nah, whilst my protags have difficulty connecting with her, their takeaway from her is that she sees people as simply people and the Elven (and specfically Dalish) constant need to live in the past (which she does make clear is something she considers stupid and backwards) and seperate to be, well, she doesn't like it.

 

...Wait, that kinda does sound racist.

 

Huh.

The issue is that as someone already said, you can fight for the inquisitor in the name of dwarf, mage, qunari, but if you try to fight it in the name of elf, she will give you disapproval. It's not as simple as people are just people, she's trying to separate herself away from her identity to the point of self hate.

[thesuperdarkone2]

Funny how Sera claims she's up for supporting the little people but disapproves when you actually support the little people like elves.

[ArvinDulku]

The issue is that as someone already said, you can fight for the inquisitor in the name of dwarf, mage, qunari, but if you try to fight it in the name of elf, she will give you disapproval. It's not as simple as people are just people, she's trying to separate herself away from her identity to the point of self hate.

 
Which is why I did ack at the end there is obviously some racism coloring her viewpoints at the end there.
 
 

Funny how Sera claims she's up for supporting the little people but disapproves when you actually support the little people like elves.

 
I am pretty sure she would never disapprove if you are trying to make the lives of alienage elves any better.
 
She obviously has issues with the idea of "elfy-ness", but I think she would be fine you helping them.

[AresKeith]

I am pretty sure she would never disapprove if you are trying to make the lives of alienage elves any better.
 
She obviously has issues with the idea of "elfy-ness", but I think she would be fine you helping them.

 

As long as your helping all the poor low class she'd be fine with it

[Battlebloodmage]

 
Which is why I did ack at the end there is obviously some racism coloring her viewpoints at the end there.
 
 
 
I am pretty sure she would never disapprove if you are trying to make the lives of alienage elves any better.
 
She obviously has issues with the idea of "elfy-ness", but I think she would be fine you helping them.

Briala tries to improve the life of City elves. In the ending, all the elf's life in Orlais was better cause of Briala if she was put into power. Briala also stated that her goal is to improve city elf's life, but if you put Briala into power, Sera would still disapprove of that decision. She would give approval if you let either humans to become ruler instead. Interestingly enough, they're both nobles and don't care about the little people, the things that she's supposedly fighting against.

[AresKeith]

Briala tries to improve the life of City elves. In the ending, all the elf's life in Orlais was better cause of Briala if she was put into power. Briala also stated that her goal is to improve city elf's life, but if you put Briala into power, Sera would still disapprove of that decision. 

 

Does she still disproves if you get Celene and Briala back together?

[ArvinDulku]

Briala tries to improve the life of City elves. In the ending, all the elf's life in Orlais was better cause of Briala if she was put into power. Briala also stated that her goal is to improve city elf's life, but if you put Briala into power, Sera would still disapprove of that decision. 

 

Ah...personal opinions here will color this, but I am firmly in the camp that Celene in the long run will far more for Elven rights in the long run that Briala ever will.

 

She wants too much change, too soon with no considerations of the political and social implications that would take place.

 

(I am a cynic by nature, it's a curse)

 

And yes, that is my take even considering what Celene did.

 

More so, considering how disposable she treated those Elves at the Winter Palace, I wouldn't trust her all that much with the fate of the Elves.

[Xilizhra]

Does she still disproves if you get Celene and Briala back together?

Yes.

 

And yes to the thread's question.

[AresKeith]

Ah...personal opinions here will color this, but I am firmly in the camp that Celene in the long run will far more for Elven rights in the long run that Briala ever will.

 

She wants too much change, too soon with no considerations of the political and social implications that would take place.

 

(I am a cynic by nature, it's a curse)

 

And yes, that is my take even considering what Celene did.

 

More so, considering how disposable she treated those Elves at the Winter Palace, I wouldn't trust her all that much with the fate of the Elves.

 

And doesn't Sera get upset at how they're treated in the Winter's Palace?