Sera is willing to get involved with a Dalish mage, two of her biggest hang-ups combined also so if she was truly racist or had a real hatred for mages she would avoid a person like that you'd think.
Except after the Well incident she does make you choose between your own beliefs and hers (or she will break up with you). Fairly immature. And she only does that to an elf.
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Sten: No.
And they're not BS.
Well, if it's not BS, then what has "Asia" done that is equivalent to the Dales?
There's got to be a better example than this.
Well, if it's not BS, then what has "Asia" done that is equivalent to the Dales?
There's got to be a better example than this.
You are missing the point entirely.
I said Sera distrusts/dislikes elves/mages based on qualities that they cannot change. Elves cannot become humans. Mages cannot become non-mages (unless you make them tranquil). That is the same thing as disliking someone for being gay, or Asian. You cannot make someone "not gay" or "not Asian."
Therefore, if you play as an elf, who appreciates their heritage and Sera spits on it all, that is just as disrespectful as someone who tells you you're stupid for expressing interest/appreciating your Asian heritage. Also an elven inquisitor is not trying force their "elfyness" onto Sera. An elven inquisitor is just like, "Here are my views. I like being Dalish. I appreciate my culture." That is how I role-played anyway. Sera, as immature as she is, gets angry because she thinks your beliefs are stupid, and essentially disapproves of you simply being you. This differs from most other companions who disagree with your actions, rather than who you are on a fundamental level.
I'd also like to avoid being told that I'm a hater when it comes to Sera. Sera, like the rest of these characters are pretend people, and I've never seen the point of hating TV characters, and the like. However, it does seem quite clear to me that Sera is as much of a racist as she is immature. It is imply part of her character. I don't know why people are so passionate about trying to disprove this fact. I don't see anyone trying to deny that Blackwall is a liar. These are just character facts.
Except after the Well incident she does make you choose between your own beliefs and hers (or she will break up with you). Fairly immature. And she only does that to an elf.
Had that scene with her myself and I did argue with her, hated it myself and it is unreasonable from her can't deny that but we weren't given any type of middle ground in that scene so if you play a devout Dalish your hands are tied. Sometimes differences of opinions in regards to religion/beliefs can end relationships, that is one of em. It was different and interesting for Bioware to put in a dilemma like this.
Again, when Sera says "elfy" she is NOT referencing race, but DALISH culture. Any half-hearted attempt to talk to here reveals that. And she doesn't HATE mages per se. She is very wary of them and generally scared of anything that smacks of magic, the fade or supernatural occurances. Mages HAVE caused a whole lot of heartache for the little people she is suppose to care about. That being said, she does not dismiss individual mages out of hand at any point.
Even among the companions, she gets along very well with Dorian, does not get along so well with Viv and I think it is safe to say that she loathes Solas. In viv's case it has almost nothing to do with being a mage and more with being stuck up(in Sera's opinion) and with Solas it is the "elfy" taken to infinity attitude of his, not his being a mage.
Had that scene with her myself and I did argue with her, hated it myself and it is unreasonable from her can't deny that but we weren't given any type of middle ground in that scene so if you play a devout Dalish your hands are tied. Sometimes differences of opinions in regards to religion/beliefs can end relationships, that is one of em. It was different and interesting for Bioware to put in a dilemma like this.
I'm pretty sure the lack of middle ground is deliberate. Sera disproves of ALL Dalish elf culture because of her prejudices. It would only make since that Sera would ultimately demand an elf girlfriend to give up their culture and heritage to continue the romance.
And I might add when you are making a comparison to Asian heritage, what you are ignoring is what that heritage entails(and ignoring that there is no such thing as "Asian" heritage. Korea has a far different heritage than Cambodia.) It is the "we are better than everyone else" attitude of Dalish culture that she has a particular problem with. The other stuff tends to be tied to that. You can't just make generic comparisons with out the specific context. The same with mages. it may be one thing if the difference was something benign, but it isn't. Being born a mage grants the "lucky" person the potential to attain a great deal of power that a normal person will never have. A lot of mages, even if just a minority have abused that power. A better analogy would be to compare to her attitude toward nobles. Nobles don't choose to be noble and they also have the potential to gain great power and some abuse it.
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You are missing the point entirely.
I said Sera distrusts/dislikes elves/mages based on qualities that they cannot change. Elves cannot become humans. Mages cannot become non-mages (unless you make them tranquil). That is the same thing as disliking someone for being gay, or Asian. You cannot make someone "not gay" or "not Asian."
Therefore, if you play as an elf, who appreciates their heritage and Sera spits on it all, that is just as disrespectful as someone who tells you you're stupid for expressing interest/appreciating your Asian heritage. Also an elven inquisitor is not trying force their "elfyness" onto Sera. An elven inquisitor is just like, "Here are my views. I like being Dalish. I appreciate my culture." That is how I role-played anyway. Sera, as immature as she is, gets angry because she thinks your beliefs are stupid, and essentially disapproves of you simply being you. This differs from most other companions who disagree with your actions, rather than who you are on a fundamental level.
I'd also like to avoid being told that I'm a hater when it comes to Sera. Sera, like the rest of these characters are pretend people, and I've never seen the point of hating TV characters, and the like. However, it does seem quite clear to me that Sera is as much of a racist as she is immature. It is imply part of her character. I don't know why people are so passionate about trying to disprove this fact. I don't see anyone trying to deny that Blackwall is a liar. These are just character facts.
She just doesn't care about the Dalish gods, Arlathan, their traditions, lost glory, and all the trappings associated with it.
This isn't racist. It's philosophical/religious. You can say that's still bad, but it is different.
Again, when Sera says "elfy" she is NOT referencing race, but DALISH culture. Any half-hearted attempt to talk to here reveals that. And she doesn't HATE mages per se. She is very wary of them and generally scared of anything that smacks of magic, the fade or supernatural occurances. Mages HAVE caused a whole lot of heartache for the little people she is suppose to care about. That being said, she does not dismiss individual mages out of hand at any point.
I think Sera disproves of any elves banding together as elves, even city elves. She does say at one point that she remembers those special trees alienages have, and that the trees were stupid or whatever.
As for mages, when you complete the mage ally quest with Sera in party, Sera says that she they should be locked up in a tower. When you talk to her at Haven following the quest, she says to put them "over there, away from me."
Just because she is a afraid of mages does not excuse her proposed treatment of them. I mean, if she is okay with Dorian, if she doesn't hate Viv based on her being a mage, why doesn't she extend that same policy to other mages, meaning judging them on a case by case basis?
Except after the Well incident she does make you choose between your own beliefs and hers (or she will break up with you). Fairly immature. And she only does that to an elf.
It's not immature. She doesn't want to continue a rs with someone else who believes other gods since she doesn't want their religions to clash. Perfectly normal. Happens a lot in real life. There are people who are willing to form a relationship with another religious person, but the moment there are arguments and disagreements, break up ensues.
Sera was saving the spot for someone more fit for a Dalish inquisitor.
Have you allied with the Templars yet? cause she disapproves just as much. You forget you are not allying with ALL mages, but the members of the mage rebellion who laid some of the groundwork(along with the Templars) for this mess.
And I might add when you are making a comparison to Asian heritage, what you are ignoring is what that heritage entails(and ignoring that there is no such thing as "Asian" heritage. Korea has a far different heritage than Cambodia.) It is the "we are better than everyone else" attitude of Dalish culture that she has a particular problem with. The other stuff tends to be tied to that. You can't just make generic comparisons with out the specific context. The same with mages. it may be one thing if the difference was something benign, but it isn't. Being born a mage grants the "lucky" person the potential to attain a great deal of power that a normal person will never have. A lot of mages, even if just a minority have abused that power. A better analogy would be to compare to her attitude toward nobles. Nobles don't choose to be noble and they also have the potential to gain great power and some abuse it.
Perhaps. The title of the thread is "Is Sera racist?" Since Cambodian and Korean are not races, I went with generic Asian.
Sera has a problem with Dalish elves in general. She dislikes anyone with a "holier than thou" attitude; that's why she hates nobles. Consider that she will dump a female elf inq after the Well quest if the Dalish elf doesn't agree with her about how all elven culture and religion is hog wash. It's the culture and the heritage, any elven heritage, she dislikes since she doesn't much care for City Elf culture.
Actually a noble can be born but refuse it, like that guy in the Emerald Graves.
Honestly, I've never seen mages as that big of a deal in DA. I've seen plenty of awful people in DA doing horrible things who were not even mages and yet managed to cause plenty of chaos, no magic required. Power is what corrupts. Occasionally the power is magical.
It's not immature. She doesn't want to continue a rs with someone else who believes other gods since she doesn't want their religions to clash. Perfectly normal. Happens a lot in real life. There are people who are willing to form a relationship with another religious person, but the moment there are arguments and disagreements, break up ensues.
Sera was saving the spot for someone more fit for a Dalish inquisitor.
Except that she has no problem with an atheist qunari. Or a dwarf for that matter. It's an elf thing.
Being "elfy" is immutable. Elves cannot change the fact that they are elves. Mages cannot change that they are mages anymore than I can change my race or sex.
Elves cann't help that they are biologically elf. They can help what that means, in terms of self-identity, beliefs, views, and culture.
'Elfy' is the non-biological bit.
I think there are real world analogues.
For example there is a black culture in the US, a set of interests, styles, behaviors and so on that a lot of black people adopt. Sera is the black person who is against black culture and black people who embrace it. I know people like that irl.
Are they racist? Perhaps. They, like Sera, think black people are being held down by it. I don't think she hates the elven race, but on the other hand maybe hating the culture of your people is just an insidious secondary form of good old mainstream racism.
Dissenting from identity politics (ie, the 'black culture') doesn't make one racist. Rather, the accusation that it does implies a No True Scotsman fallacy.
Refusing to live under such a fallacious cultural appeal is hardly insidious- or derived from racism.
Except that she has no problem with an atheist qunari. Or a dwarf for that matter. It's an elf thing.
Yes, she has problems with the dalish culture/gods. This isn't news.
Elves cann't help that they are biologically elf. They can help what that means, in terms of self-identity, beliefs, views, and culture.
'Elfy' is the non-biological bit.
Yes, but one's genetic make-up is sometimes determines their culture. A person who grows up in Korea is likely than not to have Korean heritage. If that same person grows up in Canada, they may not know much about their Korean heritage, and favor Canadian culture. But wouldn't it be insulting of the Korean-Canadian spat on the culture of the Korean who grew up in Korea and appreciated her culture?
The Dalish have a "holier than thou" attitude and their religion is very much a part of it. So yes she IS going to reject that. If this comes as a surprise to anyone they were not paying attention. The only way to really romance her is to NOT fully dive into the Dalish pool. If she see's you sticking a toe in she will freak. But that is only true if you are a devout Dalish. Agnostics don't usually have an issue.
Yes she does disparage "tree" in every alienage, but I got a vibe that it had more to do with her feeling like that was a VERY pale attempt at being like the Dalish(which in its full on "we are the last of the true elves" mode she lothes).
Yes, she has problems with the dalish culture/gods. This isn't news.
Yes. So why repeat it? I was responding to a point WildOrchid made, which you obviously didn't read.
Except that she has no problem with an atheist qunari. Or a dwarf for that matter. It's an elf thing.
It's an elf religion thing- which hardly requires issues with dwarf religion or qunari ideology.
It's an elf religion thing- which hardly requires issues with dwarf religion or qunari ideology.
I was responding to a post by WildOrchid who said that people with different religions clash and break-up if romantically involved. The point of my post is that if Sera is going to break up with a Dalish elf about religion because Sera is Andrastian, why wouldn't she break-up with an atheistic qunari or dwarf? I role-play my female quanari as an atheist who thinks Andrastrian faith is ridiculous. Sera doesn't break up with her over that for some reason. Racism maybe?
Yes, but one's genetic make-up is sometimes determines their culture.A person who grows up in Korea is likely than not to have Korean heritage.
And that's where you done goofed. Genetic make-up didn't cause them to grow up with Korean culture- being born to Koreans in Korea and brought up amongst Koreans acclimated them to culture. Take them out of a Korean culture, and they would no longer be culturally Korean.
The genetic makeup is a correlation, not a causation. Mixed-race or even non-racial groups can be assimilated in a culture if brought up within it.
If that same person grows up in Canada, they may not know much about their Korean heritage, and favor Canadian culture. But wouldn't it be insulting of the Korean-Canadian spat on the culture of the Korean who grew up in Korea and appreciated her culture?
Not if you value things like 'freedom of conscience,' 'cultural assimilation,' 'individualism,' and the host and caboodle of values of Western Liberalism.
No one is under any obligation to like other cultures they find distasteful. Disliking another culture, even a culture that is commonly conflated with a racial identity, is not racist.
I was responding to a post by WildOrchid who said that people with different religions clash and break-up if romantically involved. The point of my post is that if Sera is going to break up with a Dalish elf about religion because Sera is Andrastian, why wouldn't she break-up with an atheistic qunari or dwarf?
Because her views on qunari and dwarf religion are ambivalent. She has strong, negative feelings for Dalish religion and culture.
I role-play my female quanari as an atheist who thinks Andrastrian faith is ridiculous. Sera doesn't break up with her over that for some reason. Racism maybe?
Nope. Religion.
Sera doesn't care what you think about Andrastianism. She cares what you think about Dalish mythology.
The point of my post is that if Sera is going to break up with a Dalish elf about religion because Sera is Andrastian, why wouldn't she break-up with an atheistic qunari or dwarf?
Because she has issues with dalish gods. Dalish gods. She doesn't care about you being an atheist, she cares if you are a dalish who believes in gods since Sera believes in one god.
Also has problems with the dalish and the way most of them behave, not just their beliefs in gods. She's scared of the dalish inquisitor becoming one of those dalish she can't stand and go all high and mighty on her. The break up line she says confirms that she had many dalish elves who told her "she's not worthy".
You'd argue that your dalish would never do that to Sera but she doesn't know this and has enough experience to make her run away from all this.
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Sera is just a casual Andrastian. She does give disapproval though if you say the Inquisition is for faith. I never got the reason why. I think she just thought my character was "kooky". edit: Or maybe it was "loony" 
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