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[Johnsen1972]

I think Sera just fears alot. She is not a racist per se.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think Sera just fears alot. She is not a racist per se.

What does she have to fear from the slave elves being oppressed and abused everyday?

[Eldrid]

I think the cause of Sera's disapproval of Briala is cause of the how she handled things. Sera sees Briala as an idiot for sabotaging herself and ruining the opportunity for the elves. It's not like she approves Celene or Gaspard, she just hates hypocrites in general (besides those people who think that they are better than everyone).

 

I don't think she's racist either as she never had general qualms against all humans or any other race. If she does, she wouldn't have a great relationship with Ironbull or Blackwall. About mages though, she fears magic as any other normal person in thedas who is warned about it and had witnessed it used wrongly. 

 

What she really hates are those people who manipulates and uses people for selfish ambitious reasons. I like how she says her opinion very bluntly and not saying it as if she's preaching. 

 

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And about elves, I think why she doesn't want to classified as one or have a connection to it cause she views herself simply as person w/ no branding or race. She sees people as people, simple as that.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Don't get me wrong, Sera's logic is broken. But it does exist and isn't at all difficult to dissect once you get a grasp of it. 

 

All that being said, so far I've had playthroughs where I've put Celene in charge and have the three of them working together and afterwards at Skyhold, Sera's expressed verbal(though not mechanical) disapproval with all three of them. She understands that all three are horrible people who just 'punch down' and hurt the little guy. I think the writers just had her take special exception with Briala because so many fans go out of their way to make it seem like Briala's sh*t doesn't stink.

You'll get no argument from me about Sera's logic is broken.

Yet she takes special exception to disapprove when the player support Briala, who claim to fight for the elves which is the little people who suffer from being oppressed by human. I understand that Sera hate people who hurt the little guy, especially people who claim to fight for the greater good, and use that cause as an excuse to sacrifice the little people along the way. Don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of Briala and I condemn her action despite her good intention for all elves in Orlais. The end justifies the mean, but she's no better than Celene or Gaspard. However I think Celene and Gaspard is the worse, and I find it bias of Sera to take special exception for Briala only.

[Battlebloodmage]

I think the cause of Sera's disapproval of Briala is cause of the how she handled things. Sera sees Briala as an idiot for sabotaging herself and ruining the opportunity for the elves. It's not like she approves Celene or Gaspard, she just hates hypocrites in general (besides those people who think that they are better than everyone).

 

I don't think she's racist either as she never had general qualms against all humans or any other race. If she does, she wouldn't have a great relationship with Ironbull or Blackwall. About mages though, she fears magic as any other normal person in thedas who is warned about it and had witnessed it used wrongly. 

 

What she really hates are those people who manipulates and uses people for selfish ambitious reasons. I like how she says her opinion very bluntly and not saying it as if she's preaching. 

 

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And about elves, I think why she doesn't want to classified as one or have a connection to it cause she views herself simply as person w/ no branding or race. She sees people as people, simple as that.

She's not racist against other races, but she has an internal self-hate against elves. She actually prefers interracial relationship. Seeing as she gives you approval if you flirt with Harding as any race except for dwarves. At the same time, she disapproves if you fight in the name of elves but approve if you fight in the name of qunari, dwarves, or mages. While on the outside, she seems to be tolerate of every race, she has some sort of self-hate about her being an elf. She wants to see interracial relationship because she wants to reaffirm that race does not matter and people are just people so that her identity as an elf doesn't stand out, and that she's just people like everybody else. 

[tobynator89]

Seras dislike for Briala is self evident. She is a revolutionary and  (as the good Leto II pointed out), like all revolutionaries she is a closet aristocrat. She is thus in seras eyes just like the other two but hypocritical as well in pretending that she is doing this for the good of the little people. You have to remember that sera is the exact opposite of a revolutionary, she is in fact very conservative in a strange way. She wishes to preserve the current powerbalance with as little turmoil as possible to preserve the status quo with her role being to keep the nobility down whatever way she can.

 

Like she says, she dislikes all of them but at least celene looks nice, and that is as good a reason as any to like her from seras point of view since there are few other viable qualities about any of them.

[arlofthan]

I'm starting to think Sera's a moron. As others have pointed out, many of her attitudes are inconsistent and poorly thought-out. She claims that "people are just people," but becomes upset if you support a political candidate who shares that view. She hates everything "elfy" on the grounds that it's seperatist, but blindly supports the templars and the chantry because, well, "because." She acts according to her own moods, not the needs of others. Many times she'll oppose you even if you're acting in favor of everyone, because she's too close-minded to consider that "big people" politics can be used to help "little people". Because she's so short-sighted, Sera is less about helping the underdog and more about making herself comfortable. 

[Cat Fancy]

but blindly supports the templars and the chantry because, well, "because."

Not to defend her too much, (although I'm more neutral on her than I was but a few short days ago) but doesn't she prefer the Inquisitor conscripting the Templars as opposed to allying with them?

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

but blindly supports the templars

Sera also disapprove when you choose to ally with the Templars. Well, she disapprove of everything that's beyond her grasp, but you're right it seems like she acts according to her own moods, her own thought and her own beliefs. I find her more about making herself comfortable, and turn the world into her personal glorified playground where she prank, torture and kill the people she decide deserve, instead of sacrifice her own need, and fighting for the little people like she claim to.

[tobynator89]

I'm starting to think Sera's a moron. As others have pointed out, many of her attitudes are inconsistent and poorly thought-out. She claims that "people are just people," but becomes upset if you support a political candidate who shares that view. She hates everything "elfy" on the grounds that it's seperatist, but blindly supports the templars and the chantry because, well, "because." She acts according to her own moods, not the needs of others. Many times she'll oppose you even if you're acting in favor of everyone, because she's too close-minded to consider that "big people" politics can be used to help "little people". Because she's so short-sighted, Sera is less about helping the underdog and more about making herself comfortable. 

 

She's fully aware that big people can help little people or she wouldn't have joined the inquisition, she just does not believe Briala will help the little people and tbh I agree with her.

[EmissaryofLies]

Truthfully, she is frustratingly confusing and should never be taken seriously.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't think Sera's stupid so much as she is incredibly ignorant; she's had no education to speak of, really.

 

That being said, she's not without certain insights. One of her problems with mages is that as much as they complain about oppression, they've got a roof over their head, three meals a day, a proper education, and are safe in a tower where they don't have to worry about being trampled to death by an angry mob; things that peasants would kill for that they take for granted. 

 

Which isn't to diminish or take away from the very real abuses mages suffer in towers, but the grass is always greener and so on.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't think Sera's stupid so much as she is incredibly ignorant; she's had no education to speak of, really.

 

That being said, she's not without certain insights. One of her problems with mages is that as much as they complain about oppression, they've got a roof over their head, three meals a day, a proper education, and are safe in a tower where they don't have to worry about being trampled to death by an angry mob; things that peasants would kill for that they take for granted. 

 

Which isn't to diminish or take away from the very real abuses mages suffer in towers, but the grass is always greener and so on.

She doesn't hate mages. She actually give you approval if you form the inquisition in the name of mages. 

[Mihura]

She's fully aware that big people can help little people or she wouldn't have joined the inquisition, she just does not believe Briala will help the little people and tbh I agree with her.

 

Hum but in my epilogue with Gaspard and Briala ruling, results in helping the city elves a lot, so Sera is wrong. I read the last book and I really believe Briala wants to change things radically by the end of it.

 

Sure things got a little wild but Briala truly believes in her cause. As for the elf that was sacrifice by Briala, my theory is that had Celene hand somehow or Florianne. If you ask the elf about Briala wanting to hid her past romance with Celene, she says a lot more people know about it. Actually that part really did not make sense to me, I really would like to know why the elf was send there.
 

I don't think Sera's stupid so much as she is incredibly ignorant; she's had no education to speak of, really.

 

I really doubt it, she was raise by a noble and knows how to write. 

[Jazzpha]

I dunno, Sera lost me when I actually tried to give her a chance this playthrough with my Dalish rogue (my Human Mage couldn't justify letting her on board), and her response to disregarding preserving Dalish heritage was "Your grandfather's dead, why aren't you dead? You're disregarding tradition right there."

 

Not only does that perspective make zero sense, but the general concept of "preserving cultural heritage is a bad thing because it separates you from other people" is blindingly stupid.

 

Yes, of course some Dalish could take that concept to an extreme and think about nothing else at all, but that possibility is still only one among many. I'm wondering how long it'll take before she starts hating me; I conscripted the Templars this time around and she seemed oddly happy with that. Couldn't justify a full alliance like I'd had with them last time around.

[Former_Fiend]

She doesn't hate mages. She actually give you approval if you form the inquisition in the name of mages. 

 

She doesn't hate mages, but she doesn't like them, either. Listen to her party banter with Dorian, Solas, and Cassandra. She's terrified of magic. She also disapproves if you take the mages as allies and support their freedom instead of taking them as prisoners intent on putting them back in the circle. If romancing a mage inquisitor, she refers to her as "one of the good ones".

[Battlebloodmage]

She doesn't hate mages, but she doesn't like them, either. Listen to her party banter with Dorian, Solas, and Cassandra. She's terrified of magic. She also disapproves if you take the mages as allies and support their freedom instead of taking them as prisoners intent on putting them back in the circle. If romancing a mage inquisitor, she refers to her as "one of the good ones".

She actually does the same thing if you disband the templars instead. She just has a problem with organized groups in general. That's why she fits in with a Red Jenny. It's a group but it's not an organization, and she dismisses any notion of turning Red Jenny into an organization.

[TheTurtle]

People keep bringing up the epilogue as a way to prove Sera wrong, but Sera's whole character is about living in the moment and seeing things as they appear. Briala may take steps to help the elves in the future, but all Sera sees at the palace is someone who uses those she claims to be fighting for and that's all she cares about.

[InstantNoodlez]

I just would like see Sera years later, now that she is one of the powerful, the 'big people'.

 

(Sera is seriously just a member of Anonymous, who is just as sexist and racists and elitist as any other, that fights for both the little people while belittling them, and trolls for the right of trolling. A chaotic hive mind that is all about lol random and feeling good for the moment. Except now that she has put her name forth, and is currently employed by a religious militant group that has fingers in many pies. Hmm pies.)

[Former_Fiend]

She actually does the same thing if you disband the templars instead. She just has a problem with organized groups in general. That's why she fits in with a Red Jenny. It's a group but it's not an organization, and she dismisses any notion of turning Red Jenny from an organization.

 

Which doesn't change the fact that she dislikes mages. "Mages and templars" is no more of an either/or decision than "Celene, Gaspard, and Briala". There is no immutable law of the universe that says you have to be on one side or the other; it's perfectly viable to think that all the options suck.

 

But Sera's problems with Templars has little to nothing to do with their treatment of mages. She dislikes them because, in their zealotry, since the war has started, they've had this habit of hurting normal people who might be mages or mage sympathizers. 

[tobynator89]

To me Briala lost all credibility when I let celene die. She would rather see the country tear itself apart than seeing Gaspard on the throne. She proved just as suceptible to blackmail as the others.

[InstantNoodlez]

 

Which doesn't change the fact that she dislikes mages. "Mages and templars" is no more of an either/or decision than "Celene, Gaspard, and Briala". There is no immutable law of the universe that says you have to be on one side or the other; it's perfectly viable to think that all the options suck.

 

But Sera's problems with Templars has little to nothing to do with their treatment of mages. She dislikes them because, in their zealotry, since the war has started, they've had this habit of hurting normal people who might be mages or mage sympathizers. 

 

I think her distrust of mages also came from her religious background. I mean she grew up going to a church that told everyone mages screwed up everything and elves are inferior people.

 

And like many children indoctrinated from young, she believed.

 

And now she carries her views like habit. Kinda like Dorian not seeing why slavery was so bad for the longest time. He was trained not to. Just as Sera was trained to be distrustful and mages and disrespecting to elves (And she has to, she just has to. Otherwise she would be an unworthy elf too).

[Cat Fancy]

Or her mistrust of mages (and templars!) could stem from their actions in the rather nasty civil war(s) affecting southern Thedas at the moment. I think she's wrong (about so many things!) but I wouldn't say her fear of mages stems from religious indoctrination at all.

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

To me Briala lost all credibility when I let celene die. She would rather see the country tear itself apart than seeing Gaspard on the throne. She proved just as suceptible to blackmail as the others.

Not to defend her, but can you really blame her? Celene murder Briala's parents to advance her political career. Celene's lying to Briala for twenty years, she uses Briala for her own agenda and slept with her knowing that Briala's parents's blood is on her hand.  Celene is not a paragon of virtue, and the only thing I find horrible about Briala is that she manipulate servants at the expense of their safety in order to advance her political agenda.

 

she is just annoying and confusing as hell one of Bioware's worst companions if not the worst

not sure about racist though

I think Blackwall has the perfect description for her. Sera doesn't know who she is, or what she want, and she doesn't care.