Or her mistrust of mages (and templars!) could stem from their actions in the rather nasty civil war(s) affecting southern Thedas at the moment. I think she's wrong (about so many things!) but I wouldn't say her fear of mages stems from religious indoctrination at all.
I think from her dialogue, she's had those ideas for a long time now. Longer than before the mage/templar war. The war simply re-affirmed her views.
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This is a hilarious and sad thread.
It is more a character discussion and interpretation thread.
That said, I have the feeling Bioware knew exactly what they were doing when they created Sera, bright and flawed just like many Bioware companions before her.
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It is more a character discussion and interpretation thread.
That said, I have the feeling Bioware knew exactly what they were doing when they created Sera, bright and flawed just like many Bioware companions before her.
Sera pretty much hates everyone who thinks they are better just because of what they are.
Remember dalish attitude to city elves? Flatears, not really elves, know nothing of elven history and often do not even speak the language, thus many clans won't even accept elves that escape from cities. So, they might live out in the forest but they still have that elitist attitude Sera hates most about everyone.
Briala wants to become a nobility. Sera hates nobility and thus she hates Briala.
Also, do not discount her childhood, when she was taught that people hate her for just being an elf. So I imagine she grew up wishing she was not an elf. Of course she is messed up and hates everything elven (especially if it is directed at her), since it is a painful reminder that she is not a human, that people still see her ears before anything else about her.
I was cool with Sera up until the point she became an insensitive arse-buscuit. I found her colorful and funny. I laughed quite a bit listening to her banter with various party members, and she was my party rogue for that reason alone. However, when my poor little dalish got her heart broken, Sera spent the time laughing about the vallaslin and mocking the stuffy dalish. Thought we were friends. I needed the option to punch her. Really did. She deserved it. At that point, yes, it colors her a bit racist. Her dislike for them overshadowed her ability to be a caring friend. I needed options to tell her she has no room for calling Viv out for being a cold hearted Bee, since she is equally insensitive and in some cases even worse in her inability to be a friend. No more cookies on the roof after that. She can take her self loathing turned racist butt and cram the cookies where the creator's sun don't shine 
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Even as a Dalish fan, I don't know why people equate elves with Dalish. They are one small subset. She'll happily embrace other elves who go about their own way. She's just a city elf. That history doesn't matter to her. I don't know why anyone is surprised that didn't.
But all the important things do matter to her: justice, poverty, oppression by nobility, etc.. She thinks the Dales were stupid, and embraces Andrastianism somewhat, but she doesn't excuse the other things that humans have done since then.
Sera pretty much hates everyone who thinks they are better just because of what they are.
Remember dalish attitude to city elves? Flatears, not really elves, know nothing of elven history and often do not even speak the language, thus many clans won't even accept elves that escape from cities. So, they might live out in the forest but they still have that elitist attitude Sera hates most about everyone.
Briala wants to become a nobility. Sera hates nobility and thus she hates Briala.
Also, do not discount her childhood, when she was taught that people hate her for just being an elf. So I imagine she grew up wishing she was not an elf. Of course she is messed up and hates everything elven (especially if it is directed at her), since it is a painful reminder that she is not a human, that people still see her ears before anything else about her.
I just find it ironic for someone who never experience the hardship of a city elf would grow up hating and not wanting to associate with being a city elf. I find the city elves themselves who experience the hardship themselves have more legitimate cause to self-hate. I find Sera to be a bit spoiled in that department. Her life has been sheltered from the hardship and actual discrimination of being a city elf.
I just find it ironic for someone who never experience the hardship of a city elf would grow up hating and not wanting to associate with being a city elf. I find the city elves themselves who experience the hardship themselves have more legitimate cause to self-hate. I find Sera to be a bit spoiled in that department. Her life has been sheltered from the hardship and actual discrimination of being a city elf.
She may never been raised in an alienage but I think its unfair to state that she's spoiled. Her rich adopted mother did die after all, and its strongly hinted at that she lived on the streets after her death. She's definitely experienced poverty and even homelessness before, perhaps even for years before eventually running into a Red Jenny.
Honestly, yeah, I can totally see how Sera is a racist and even a self-righteous hypocrite, but she honestly doesn't ****** me off like Anders or Loghain, who are the only DA characters that I actively despise. Unlike them, her actions don't knowingly result in a situation that ultimately gets thousands killed.
She won't take into account your point of view if you play an elf unless you agreed with her.
I would've prefered to have Hardinng or Morrigan or Leliana instead.
She won't take into account your point of view if you play an elf unless you agreed with her.
I would've prefered to have Hardinng or Morrigan or Leliana instead.
She can and will break up with you over faith, if you disagree with her. Sera has no room for people with different beliefs than her, and she might as well mock every Dalish Elves, Dwarves or Qunari for not being a faithful Andrastian who believe in the Maker. However Sera gets along with Iron Bull rather well despite different beliefs, and you better avoid this subject when talking to Sera, otherwise she'll force you to choose.
She can and will break up with you over faith, if you disagree with her. Sera has no room for people with different beliefs than her, and she might as well mock every Dalish Elves, Dwarves or Qunari for not being a faithful Andrastian who believe in the Maker. However Sera gets along with Iron Bull rather well despite different beliefs, and you better avoid this subject when talking to Sera, otherwise she'll force you to choose.
She wouldn't mock the Stone or the Qun. The Qun isn't actually a religion in first place just different social structure which Sera actually has interest in judging from her banter with Bull. And the Stone is actually accepted in Andrastian. In fact the Chantry believes that Dwarves were created by the Stone and not the Maker. So, yeah, its just elven religion she has a problem with.
She wouldn't mock the Stone or the Qun. The Qun isn't actually a religion in first place just different social structure which Sera actually has interest in judging from her banter with Bull. And the Stone is actually accepted in Andrastian. In fact the Chantry believes that Dwarves were created by the Stone and not the Maker. So, yeah, its just elven religion she has a problem with.
I haven't see Sera has shown interest in the Qun. Maybe I should take Sera with Bull more often, but I'm still skeptical on Sera's comment on the Stone. While it may be accepted by the Chantry. I'm still nor sure how Sera will react to Dwarven religion. She had problem with Elven religion, and she has no room for it that is certain.
Well, she does call the Qun "rubbish" in banter with Iron Bull.
Well, she does call the Qun "rubbish" in banter with Iron Bull.
So...she interest in knowing the Qun, but she still believes it's rubbish, stupid. Sera and IB never discuss about religion more than a couple times. I think she is clearly bias when it comes to Elven religion.
I just find it ironic for someone who never experience the hardship of a city elf would grow up hating and not wanting to associate with being a city elf. I find the city elves themselves who experience the hardship themselves have more legitimate cause to self-hate. I find Sera to be a bit spoiled in that department. Her life has been sheltered from the hardship and actual discrimination of being a city elf.
She did grow up on the streets, just as any city elf would. She was 'adopted' when she was adult enough to steal from others. Which means she had her share of regular city elf life to that point. And then that adoptive mother died, leaving Sera nothing (she clearly does not seem rich. I assume, she was not allowed to inherit anything, because she's an elf). And Sera found out that her adoptive mother lied to her. So sheltered, so happy, so spoiled. Of course!/sarcasm
The end justifies the mean,
Says who?
Besides the sort of people who need to justify getting (tens of?) thousands of innocents killed in the process of their ideals and ambitions, of course. They'd pretty obviously say that, but even I'd have to admit that it's a bit of a self-serving justification.
I think it's important to disregard Sera's ears for a second and realize she's a COMMONER'S perspective.
Which we haven't gotten before. Even Hawke was a Apostate's family with nobility in his blood.
Sera is:
Poor
Kinda religious
Andrastrian
Dislikes the nobility
Dislikes revolutionaries
Sympathetic to the Working class because she is one.
Repeatedly, Sera says she wants things to go back to the way they were before the chaos.
In short, Sera is as much an insight into how quote-unquote NORMAL people in Thedas think.
I think many in this thread do understand that Sera looks from the perspective of the masses. I am pretty sure Friends of Red Jenny is a reference to Anonymous. Sera is you and I.
And Sera is religious without questioning why, afraid of magic because it is dangerous and different, incomplete in her education because there was no public education system to offer one, and uncomfortable with her own ears because she grew up amongst people who looked down on her for them. She views the world with a simple but effective lens, and rages hopelessly at a system she cannot dislodge despite her best efforts (Until she joined with people who are not commoners, people with power who can "decide what is best for Thedas").
The nobilities of Thedas as assholes, and they were born into the perfect circumstances to become assholes. The commoners of Thedas are not without many issues of their own, and they too were born into horrible circumstances that shaped them. Remember what Vivienne was afraid of should the circles be abolished? The lynch mobs of falsely accused abominations made by the very common masses. Remember what happened to Minaeve when she was first chased out by her clan as a little girl? A lynch mob.
Overall Thedas is not, and was never meant to be a nice place. It is a sickened planet filled with many struggling societies, from the top to the bottom. Are all these people to be blamed? Not really. Are they often times right when given the consideration of what sort of world they must survive? Yes. Do I want to live there even without magic and darkspawns? Hell no.
I find City elves to be a bit lacking in the third installment. There are questions on whether Sera hate elves in general or just Dalish elves. They need more representations in this game.
I find City elves to be a bit lacking in the third installment. There are questions on whether Sera hate elves in general or just Dalish elves. They need more representations in this game.
Sera's general view on City Elves is they're miserable with their life versus trying to improve it.
But she is a City Elf who has assimilated fully into human culture.
She is, as the Dalish say, Flat-Ear and PROUD OF IT.
Which would horrify many.
Sera reminds me of someone who... if there was a heartbreaking tragedy, she'd laugh.
I cannot stand her because she lacks maturity.
Sera reminds me of someone who... if there was a heartbreaking tragedy, she'd laugh.
I cannot stand her because she lacks maturity.
She's extremely mature.
She just has decided to laugh rather than cry at the world's misery
And given she does her best to save the world, I'd say she's a good person.
That's means she immature if she doesn't realize when not to joke around. I may joke around but at least I am mature enough to understand when I should not joke around. Or like when your friend is upset over learning her culture is based on lies or inaccurate tells, for an exmaple. Or when she call you stupid for saying maybe it's ture that Mytal was a god.She's extremely mature.
She just has decided to laugh rather than cry at the world's misery
And given she does her best to save the world, I'd say she's a good person.
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