That's means she immature if she doesn't realize when not to joke around. I may joke around but at least I am mature enough to understand when I should not joke around. Or like when your friend is upset over learning her culture is based on lies or inaccurate tells, for an exmaple. Or when she call you stupid for saying maybe it's ture that Mytal was a god.
I disagree strongly. I've also suffered tragedy in my life and have dealt with it in non-traditional ways.
People are complex.
I don't think Sera's stupid so much as she is incredibly ignorant; she's had no education to speak of, really.
That being said, she's not without certain insights. One of her problems with mages is that as much as they complain about oppression, they've got a roof over their head, three meals a day, a proper education, and are safe in a tower where they don't have to worry about being trampled to death by an angry mob; things that peasants would kill for that they take for granted.
Which isn't to diminish or take away from the very real abuses mages suffer in towers, but the grass is always greener and so on.
Yep ignorant is how i see her. The sort of character that irritates me somewhat because they wear the ignorance as a badge of honour. Hence why i ended my first playthrough having mixed moments of finding her fun as well as others of extremely annoying.
I suffered tragedy as well and have also dealt with non traditional ways. I am verily non conformist but still also have you know the maturity and wisdom to not badmouth my friends or kick people when their down.I disagree strongly. I've also suffered tragedy in my life and have dealt with it in non-traditional ways.
People are complex.
Im playing Dalish elf right now and shes coming out as extremely insensitive and a complete "Uncle Ruckus". Ill admit she did start off as a funny girl but once I learn more about her I started to hate her. Shes basically brainwashed into believing she and all elves as inferior and that elves in general should fall on their knees for all human for allowing them to survive. urgh If i was the Inquisitor if probably lose my temper with her and attacked her. Shame we cant kill party member like in past bioware games.
Im playing Dalish elf right now and shes coming out as extremely insensitive and a complete "Uncle Ruckus". Ill admit she did start off as a funny girl but once I learn more about her I started to hate her. Shes basically brainwashed into believing she and all elves as inferior and that elves in general should fall on their knees for all human for allowing them to survive. urgh If i was the Inquisitor if probably lose my temper with her and attacked her. Shame we cant kill party member like in past bioware games.
Bonus points for the Uncle Ruckus reference. Kudos.
I'm about to scrap my Dalish rogue (real-time dual-dagger rogue gameplay isn't as fun as I thought it'd be) for a Qunari Warrior who's going to be a devout Andrastian benevolent fascist who loves order and hates chaos-- I wonder how he and Sera will get along, if they do.
OK... I think reallity I'm not sure if there is a word for it, but its more of dislikes Dalish Culture. Dalish Culture, seems to be pretty xenophobic. So while Sera is not a 'racist' she dislikes Dalish Culture, mainly because of the whole, "we are victims, if you aren't Dalish you aren't an elf" type of stuff. Basicly she dislikes that kind of attiutde.
She dislikes city elves too.OK... I think reallity I'm not sure if there is a word for it, but its more of dislikes Dalish Culture. Dalish Culture, seems to be pretty xenophobic. So while Sera is not a 'racist' she dislikes Dalish Culture, mainly because of the whole, "we are victims, if you aren't Dalish you aren't an elf" type of stuff. Basicly she dislikes that kind of attiutde.
I think Sera is resentful of the elves because, to her eyes, they accept their oppression.
The city elves, as she sees it, 'allow' themselves to be abused without fighting back (even as a Red Jenny). For the Dalish, I think she resents them because they are clinging to a culture which didn't work. If the elves of Arlathan were so awesome, why was Tevinter able to so completely and utterly destroy their empire? Why were they crushed again during the Exalted March? The Dalish are wrong because they 'let' all these bad things happen to them, and then try and cling to the culture which enabled it. Sera would probably like the Dalish much better if they weren't so obsessed with the past. I think a good real world comparison would be someone like Phyllis Schafly, who basically says that men would treat women better if only women weren't so inherently awful. Sera thinks the elves would be treated better by humans if they weren't so 'elfy' all the time, and so blames the elves for their own oppression and abuse.
I think she also dislikes elven culture because she feels as though both factions (city and Dalish, but especially Dalish) are trying to impose an identity on her. 'You have to live this way, or you're not a real elf.' And Sera reacts like a teenager - 'You can't tell me what to do!' Layer that with her blaming of the elves for their own problems, and it's easy to see why she would be disparaging of elven culture. It has nothing to offer her, even though it ardently claims to. When your Inquisitor says she's doing this for the elves, all she sees is you propping up a culture which doesn't deserve it.
And, for what it's worth, I like that this makes her a hypocrite. Having characters who are hypocrites or short-sighted are great; because people are often short-sighted hypocrites. A character designed that way seems much more realistic than someone with a pitch-perfect moral system.
Im playing Dalish elf right now and shes coming out as extremely insensitive and a complete "Uncle Ruckus". Ill admit she did start off as a funny girl but once I learn more about her I started to hate her. Shes basically brainwashed into believing she and all elves as inferior and that elves in general should fall on their knees for all human for allowing them to survive. urgh If i was the Inquisitor if probably lose my temper with her and attacked her. Shame we cant kill party member like in past bioware games.
Sera has a very very wrong view about elves.
Which is that they're citizens of the world and no worse off than anyone else small.
She doesn't live in an Alienage so she doesn't understand how bad it is.
Ironically, she provides the perspective of "Flat-Ears" like Iona.
You know, the ones BOTH City Elves and Dalish hate.
Given Sera has probably been told her entire life she's a "race-traitor" no wonder she thinks they're both scum.
I disagree strongly. I've also suffered tragedy in my life and have dealt with it in non-traditional ways.
People are complex.
I agree, but I'm sure you would know whether or not you should handle a friend like that. Some people would be okay with jokes and others aren't. If your friend is not the type then it's rude and downright heartless to continue to do something that upsets them.
Im playing Dalish elf right now and shes coming out as extremely insensitive and a complete "Uncle Ruckus". Ill admit she did start off as a funny girl but once I learn more about her I started to hate her. Shes basically brainwashed into believing she and all elves as inferior and that elves in general should fall on their knees for all human for allowing them to survive. urgh If i was the Inquisitor if probably lose my temper with her and attacked her. Shame we cant kill party member like in past bioware games.
Man the Uncle Ruckus reference alone...
I miss when that show as good 
Sera has a very very wrong view about elves.
Which is that they're citizens of the world and no worse off than anyone else small.
She doesn't live in an Alienage so she doesn't understand how bad it is.
Ironically, she provides the perspective of "Flat-Ears" like Iona.
You know, the ones BOTH City Elves and Dalish hate.
Given Sera has probably been told her entire life she's a "race-traitor" no wonder she thinks they're both scum.
Iona hates elves like Sera? It has been awhile since I play Origins, but I never know that.
Sera has a very very wrong view about elves.
Which is that they're citizens of the world and no worse off than anyone else small.
She doesn't live in an Alienage so she doesn't understand how bad it is.
Ironically, she provides the perspective of "Flat-Ears" like Iona.
You know, the ones BOTH City Elves and Dalish hate.
Given Sera has probably been told her entire life she's a "race-traitor" no wonder she thinks they're both scum.
Sera's description of life on the streets outside the alienages really doesn't sound any better than life in them.
Don't get me wrong, alienages are terrible, but can we really say that Kirkwall's alienage was a worse place to live than Darktown, or hell, any other part of Lowtown, for that matter?
Sera's description of life on the streets outside the alienages really doesn't sound any better than life in them.
Don't get me wrong, alienages are terrible, but can we really say that Kirkwall's alienage was a worse place to live than Darktown, or hell, any other part of Lowtown, for that matter?
Don't the Chevaliers go to alienages and kill elves out past curfew for 'training'?
There is 2nd class citizen. Then there is sub-human.
Don't the Chevaliers go to alienages and kill elves out past curfew for 'training'?
There is 2nd class citizen. Then there is sub-human.
Fair point for Orlesian alienages.
But look, I'm not trying to say by any stretch of the imagination that Alienages are good places to live. I'm saying that, the occasional ritual murder aside, life at the bottom is life at the bottom, alienage or not. Starving is starving.
Don't the Chevaliers go to alienages and kill elves out past curfew for 'training'?
Ritual, actually. Each Chevalier is supposed to get drunk and commit a murder. Singular, not reoccurring, per Chevalier.
Horrible practice none the less, even if it's nothing on what the spartans did. More deaths probably come from general Chevalier unaccountability.
There is 2nd class citizen. Then there is sub-human.
At least in the current age,it's far more the first.
Sera has a very very wrong view about elves.
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Given Sera has probably been told her entire life she's a "race-traitor" no wonder she thinks they're both scum.
If you assume the latter, it's hard to claim the former.
Well, unless you actually think it's possible to be a race-traitor and that people should believe certain things and hold certain positions based on their birth, in which case I'd differ about which very very wrong views about elves we should be concerned about here.
Which is that they're citizens of the world and no worse off than anyone else small.
*Citation needed.
She doesn't live in an Alienage so she doesn't understand how bad it is.
Arguable. She's certainly aware that she was not amongst the lowest of the low, in her companion dialogue with Cassandra.
I'd honestly have to question your expertise on this evaluation. You don't live in an Alienage, after all- can you claim to understand how bad it is? If you don't, could you claim to have a better understanding than Sera? Considering you're here on a luxury product forum using idle leisure time to discuss fake people, Sera probably has a better claim to being intimiately familiar with the merely banal povery and underclass existence than you.
Ironically, she provides the perspective of "Flat-Ears" like Iona.
You know, the ones BOTH City Elves and Dalish hate.
Huh?
Iona was a city elf, and I'm hard pressed to remember any city elf collective sentiment aimed at her. She certainly didn't hate herself. Calling her a Flat-Ear to categorize her as somehow distinct from City Elves is a false distinction. Trying to categorize all city elves under any attitude (or even identity) is just silly- the elves, even the city elves, are not a unified identity-polity.
The Dalish bear contempt for pretty much everyone who isn't Dalish, including city elves, so their dislike is kind of a ?.
Iona hates elves like Sera? It has been awhile since I play Origins, but I never know that.
I think she isn't against elves but against the "we are poor elves" mindset some have. She wants to look towards the future not the past. Also she doesn't rope herself in with humans or anything else. She just considers herself a person.
Don't the Chevaliers go to alienages and kill elves out past curfew for 'training'?
There is 2nd class citizen. Then there is sub-human.
There's also the Denerim alienages - if you play the City Elf Origin story in Origins, the arl's son comes by and kidnaps female wedding guests (including the brides!) so he and his buddies can rape them. The only thing which prevents this from happening is that Duncan's there and gives you/your cousin a sword so you can save most of the women. if Duncan's not there, then nothing happens - there is no justice for the elves. And you have the option to confront Cailan about this when you meet him, and he has no idea what you're talking about or what to do about it. He doesn't even promise you justice, he just sort of fumbles through that part of the conversation.
I also forget which game you find it, either Origins or DA2, but there is a codex entry regarding why elves don't leave the Alienages. Some of them do - they manage to be successful enough to afford a home in the poor human part of the city. Only to see it almost immediately burned down by their neighbors - at which point they return to the alienage.
So, yeah, being a poor human sucks - but being a poor elf sucks more.
Going back to the chevalier thing, chevaliers technically have the right to have any common born person they want as a bed mate. You have some, like Michel, who can get them willingly because he's a handsome, dashing man of status. Then you have those who don't take no for an answer and rape any peasant woman they want to rape, elf and human alike.
So sh*t rolls down hill and falls on people regardless of how pointy their ears are.
Going back to the chevalier thing, chevaliers technically have the right to have any common born person they want as a bed mate. You have some, like Michel, who can get them willingly because he's a handsome, dashing man of status. Then you have those who don't take no for an answer and rape any peasant woman they want to rape, elf and human alike.
So sh*t rolls down hill and falls on people regardless of how pointy their ears are.
Going back to the chevalier thing, chevaliers technically have the right to have any common born person they want as a bed mate. You have some, like Michel, who can get them willingly because he's a handsome, dashing man of status. Then you have those who don't take no for an answer and rape any peasant woman they want to rape, elf and human alike.
So sh*t rolls down hill and falls on people regardless of how pointy their ears are.
But poor human peasants can still go burn down elven houses. Their lives suck. They can't do anything to those that oppress them, so they go oppress people even less fortunate.
Reminds me of the kidnapped brides in certain parts of asia. The poor cannot afford wives. They save money, and buy women from human traffickers, who kidnap the women from even poorer villages, whose reports to local police are largely ignored.
Sh*t rolls down hill, but even amongst the poor, there are classes and levels.
I wouldn't say Iona hated other elves, but im guessing alot of the elves in the alienage likely expressed hatred towards her for being so close to human nobility instead of keeping to her own kind in poverty like "true elves" should
I can't recall any particular 'true elf' identity politics in the alienages. Those are slums, not tight-nit communities, and even the acknowledged local leader/elder in the Denerim alienage only had loose influence over the views of the residents. There might certainly be petty resentments, but they'd more likely be grounded in jealousy than identity politics.
Briala and her coterie are the primary advocates of pan-city-elf identity, and even they are a marginal minority within the spectrum of city elves themselves. (Briala's influence comes from her influence amongst the nobility, not the city elves.)
I can't recall any particular 'true elf' identity politics in the alienages. Those are slums, not tight-nit communities, and even the acknowledged local leader/elder in the Denerim alienage only had loose influence over the views of the residents. There might certainly be petty resentments, but they'd more likely be grounded in jealousy than identity politics.
Briala and her coterie are the primary advocates of pan-city-elf identity, and even they are a marginal minority within the spectrum of city elves themselves. (Briala's influence comes from her influence amongst the nobility, not the city elves.)
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