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[AresKeith]

Yeah, I agree with this. The other blights didn't have Flemeth, or similar beings, helping out against the blight

 

Then again they probably didn't have incidents like Ostagar happen either

[Mr.House]

And when the Blights are over, what purpose will the wardens have? Vivie is very right that the wardens are relics.  The closer we get to the end of blights, the more they will lose their importance.

 

Them also having a civil war also does not help.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Please.  The only reason that the Fifth Blight was over so fast was because of Flemeth.

 

And lets not forget Riordan and his balls of steel. 

 

I reckon there were three heroes of Ferelden, actually...

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Most wardens are young and have no experience in combat/battle. If you see the adamant cut scene the inquisitions foot soldiers are far more battle hardened then the grey wardens. Only good about the GW are there ability to kill the Archdemons, but as normal warriors they are not as good. They grey wardens i think are just recruiting just in case of another blight. 

[Mr.House]

And lets not forget Riordan and his balls of steel. 

 

I reckon there were three heroes of Ferelden, actually...

Yes Riordan, the idiot who easily got himself captured.

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

Yes Riordan, the idiot who easily got himself captured.

 

...and brought down the Archdemon...

 

Thing would have just kept flying otherwise. Wardens don't have griffon divebombers anymore y'know...so, yeah, Riordan was pretty key.

[raging_monkey]

I lose all of my respect for Vivienne when she says the Wardens are nothing more than a relic of the past. Seriously, do I have to throw her to the darkspawn so she can see how important the Wardens are. Do we really need darkspawn to roam the surface to remind us that they are always a threat to all, and without the Wardens...Thedas is doomed.
I'm sorry, the EO?

agreed whine about their methods but they saved thedas 5times ingrates...

EO= elder one... its seems more appropriate to refer cory to this

[AresKeith]

And when the Blights are over, what purpose will the wardens have? Vivie is very right that the wardens are relics.  The closer we get to the end of blights, the more they will lose their importance.

 

Them also having a civil war also does not help.

 

They'll probably retire after the Blights are over and the darkspawn are gone

[myahele]

I guess the reason for so many in DAI is due to people wanting to join the Order during/shortly after the 5th blight. They were heroes and many wanted and still wanted to protect the world from the darkspawn they saw personally.

Otherwise, interest is waning and the order will be just like it was before. The fact that many will say "oh only 2 noob wardens can stop the blight" from now on will not help them much

[Mr.House]

They'll probably retire after the Blights are over and the darkspawn are gone

The darkspawn won't disappear, but you don't need wardens to fight the darkspawn without blights.  The Wardens are relics and their days are coming to a end. Without the blights, the Wardens are simply nothing.

[Mr.House]

...and brought down the Archdemon...

 

Thing would have just kept flying otherwise. Wardens don't have griffon divebombers anymore y'know...so, yeah, Riordan was pretty key.

He still got himself captured in such a clear trap...

[AresKeith]

The darkspawn won't disappear, but you don't need wardens to fight the darkspawn without blights.  The Wardens are relics and their days are coming to a end. Without the blights, the Wardens are simply nothing.

 

Well I don't think they're planning on drinking darkspawn blood and the having the Calling once the Blights are over lol

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

He still got himself captured in such a clear trap...

 

Doesn't change the fact that the Archdemon likely never would have been killed without the guy.

[Todrazok]

I lose all of my respect for Vivienne when she says the Wardens are nothing more than a relic of the past. Seriously, do I have to throw her to the darkspawn so she can see how important the Wardens are. Do we really need darkspawn to roam the surface to remind us that they are always a threat to all, and without the Wardens...Thedas is doomed.

I'm sorry, the EO? 

Yeah.... she of all people should not be so quick to dismiss the darkspawn as a simple matter .

 

There's multiple things I'd like to see when it comes to DLC content for Inquisition, but it occurs to me that there's barely any darkspawn at all in the core game, just a few hurlocks and ghouls. Perhaps we could get some solid darkspawn content in the expansion we all want, throw in a broodmother and see how Vivienne reacts 

[DeathByIcecream]

The darkspawn won't disappear, but you don't need wardens to fight the darkspawn without blights.  The Wardens are relics and their days are coming to a end. Without the blights, the Wardens are simply nothing.

 

...And? The blights haven't ended yet, therefore making the Grey Wardens needed. You're right in saying that once there are no more blights, the Wardens aren't  really necessary. However, saying that "The Wardens are relics bcoz someday in the far off future they won't be needed" is irrelevant given that we're talking about the present.

 

Let's pretend I have a reaaaally awesome gaming computer, capable of delivering extraordinary graphics and performance. However, in 5-10 years, naturally this computer will become obsolete due to the advancement of technology. What you're saying is that my computer is a relic and shouldn't be used just because in a decade it won't be needed. 

 

Talking about the future as if it's the present is, frankly, ridiculous. I think everyone can agree that once the Wardens are not needed, the Wardens are not needed. But that time hasn't come yet, so stop acting like it has.

 

tl:dr As long as the Wardens have a purpose, they are not relics. Simple stuff.

[THE_ANGRY_GAMER]

And if it turns out that the Architect wasn't a fluke (or could lead a Blight/organise intelligent Darkspawn into a proper army) then the world will REALLY need the Wardens.

[Former_Fiend]

The darkspawn won't disappear, but you don't need wardens to fight the darkspawn without blights.  The Wardens are relics and their days are coming to a end. Without the blights, the Wardens are simply nothing.

 

They aren't relics until the day the last Archdemon dies. So long as one of the old gods lives, they have a perfectly valid reason to be around. Given that there are usually centuries between Blights, the fact that there are only two of the dragons left doesn't mean they're going to become irrelevant any time soon.

[Sully13]

But arnt there other mageisters like Coryface?

[Hornless Qunari/Human DPS]

Nope Cory is a relic from Old Teveniter.

[thesuperdarkone2]

But arnt there other mageisters like Coryface?

The codex " a different type of darkspawn" has an intelligent darkspawn save a dwarf and tells that two ancient magisters are still alive in the deep roads

[Gamyu]

Good thing the Inquisition will never fall so much like the Grey Warden Order....oh wait...what is the Inquisition's purpose again? Close the Breach and kill the Elder One? But even with a purpose, sooner or later, people will try to forget you because they want peace, and not to be reminded of past and future troubles.

Think of them however you like, but without them, Thedas would fall a long time ago. There are also still 2 more Blights with those new Darkspawns and the very likelihood that intelligent Darkspawns will come into play.

Also, you don't need Templars to fight mages, but it's better to have one than none. Same can be said for having a Warden to fight Darkspawns.

[Palidane]

The darkspawn won't disappear, but you don't need wardens to fight the darkspawn without blights.  The Wardens are relics and their days are coming to a end. Without the blights, the Wardens are simply nothing.

Without the Blights? You realize there are two Archdemons left, right? And there hasn't been a blight within a hundred years of each other? I'm not sure if you're any good at math, but what that basically is means the Grey Wardens will continue to be a vital part in Thedas' existence for the foreseeable future.

 

I mean really, what's your big plan to beat Razikale when these "relics" have faded away? Optimism?

[Gamyu]

Without the Blights? You realize there are two Archdemons left, right? And there hasn't been a blight within a hundred years of each other? I'm not sure if you're any good at math, but what that basically is means the Grey Wardens will continue to be a vital part in Thedas' existence for the foreseeable future.
 
I mean really, what's your big plan to beat Razikale when these "relics" have faded away? Optimism?

Hold hands and use the power to friendship to defeat the Darkspawns. Or Thedas will burn, and of course, it won't be like the First Blight where many of the nations were much more powerful then they are now that they were able to hold the Darkspawns back until the Wardens were born.

[CrazyRah]

Until the last Archdemon is killed they are hardly relics but their importance will keep declining with time

[Jazzpha]

I don't think Player Characters can be used as baseline reference points for anything, because they're always special in some ways, exempt in others, and all-around inherently atypical.

 

Were it not for the HoF being essentially a god incarnate, Ferelden would have needed phalanx upon phalanx of Wardens to control and minimize the Darkspawn threat, to say nothing of taking down the Archdemon.

 

That, and having multiple groups of Wardens sent out simultaneously to call in their various treaties, rather than having one Warden and their friends run around to each place individually, would have saved a TON of time in the long term, and likely countless lives.