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[Bekkael]

Nope, I have to agree with others that Sun Li was the best villain in a BioWare game. That twist from someone my character loved and looked up to was just so delicious and so well done. Jade Empire was a great and little praised game, I'll always be sad they never did another JE. I would have loved a series from it.

[Giantdeathrobot]

Saren, Arishok, Loghain, Sun Li say hi.

 

If you think about it, Jon is exactly like Corypheus (guy wants to steal someone from the PC to become a god because previous god(s) dissapointed him), just with a better voice actor. He's a good villain but he's not Bioware's best.

[TheJediSaint]

Sun Li, the Glorious Strategist. 

 

/Mic Drop

That was his plan all along.

[SarEnyaDor]

I don't know, Loghain is pretty good because he isn't mauahahahaha evil. He is/was a good man who broke bad...

[Heimdall]

I don't know, Loghain is pretty good because he isn't mauahahahaha evil. He is/was a good man who broke bad...

He's a cool character concept, but the implementations wasn't great.  For most of the game, it was hard to even know what on earth he was actually after, or if he was just crazy.

[CronoDragoon]

I should give JE another play I guess. I played it for Xbox when it came out and wasn't blown away. Part of that was how ridiculously unbalanced the combat was.

[Draining Dragon]

He's a cool character concept, but the implementations wasn't great. For most of the game, it was hard to even know what on earth he was actually after, or if he was just crazy.

After playing DAI, I sympathize with Loghain's seemingly irrational hatred of Orlais.

[SarEnyaDor]

HAHAHAHA

 

Oh yes! I, too, hate Orlesians and their stupid masks. I might Kill Cailan myself to keep them out

[Corto81]

For me, Loghain's easily the best villain in Bioware games, and one of the best villains in games overall.

 

What makes him the best villain is that he's not just a cartoony bad guy, but a ruthless guy who does bad things, but genuinely believes he's doing it for the greater good.

He's sort of Ferelden's Tywin Lanninster.

[Linkenski]

I dont know, Corypheus has the voice....

I agree but his writing was lacking because he lacked prescence... so I guess the plot's writing lacked.

 

He definitely had the Saren potential right off the bat... and then I found out he was a DLC character and I only saw him at the end again anyway. What a waste.

[pengwin21]

I agree with Sun Li and I also thought that Loghain was better.

[Tevinter Soldier]

Saren. only villain to have the guts to off himself!

[AzureAardvark]

I'm in the "David Warner for voicing every villain evah" camp.

[lyleoffmyspace]

Irenicus was a brilliant villain. All powerful yet beatable, resourceful, always one step ahead of you, elusive, nightmarish and tragic. The ultimate villain in any Bioware game.

[Vox Draco]

For me, Loghain's easily the best villain in Bioware games, and one of the best villains in games overall.

 

What makes him the best villain is that he's not just a cartoony bad guy, but a ruthless guy who does bad things, but genuinely believes he's doing it for the greater good.

He's sort of Ferelden's Tywin Lanninster.

 

90% of the game he isn't even there or mentioned?Well, he shares this with the Archdemon at least. I think he was the weakest "antagonist" I could imagine, beside Mass Effect-Ones...even when Alistair finally killed him I was just like "so what, can we go on now"? Arl Rendon Howe was by far more of a villain, too bad he wasn't used more.

 

Also Irenicus...at least he was kinda present most of teh time somehow, and he kidnapped Imoen which made it somewhat personal but his motivations? I never cared for that. Though at least he was better than the chick that we battled in Throne of Bhaal...I even forgot her name...

 

But vaillains, good villains? They are so hard to do right. Writers are mostly afraid of creating the typical cliche-villain that just want to rule the world (OF COURSE!)

and instead try to make them all morally grey, burdened with grief of some kind etc, so much that in the end you cannot even hate them. And what is the point then if you cannot hate the villain? If you cannot celebrate his downfall, feel satisfied to defeat him?

 

In that, I wish they had made Cory even more a "simple" badguy with sheer lust for power. Go all the way, have him burn down villages for fun, murder innocents in every little side quest, make us truly HATE him for what he is and wants to be. Hell, even give him a moustache he can twirl! I want villains dedicate themselves to the cause of evilness!

 

Where have all the Dark Lords gone, long time passing ...

[Medhia_Nox]

All these, just dust before my many glorious victories... I will spite them even still by forgetting them, each in their turn.

[Ibn_Shisha]

The Thorian

 

/mic drop

[RobRam10]

Sun Li because

Spoiler

thats how you do a villain that wants to become a God.

[ohnotherancor]

Echoing the Sun Li love here.

Irenicus and Corypheus actually have a lot of similarities, and I find neither of them to be particularly interesting. Honestly, I preferred Sarevok to Irenicus, especially after Throne of Bhaal.

[AzureAardvark]

Where have all the Dark Lords gone, long time passing ...

 

~O Where have all the Dark Lords gone

And where are all the Orbs?

Where's the greed like Midus'

To steal the rising sun? O~

 

~O I need a Villain! I'm holding out for a villain

'Til the end of the night

He's gotta be mean

And he's gotta be slick

And he's gotta be larger than life! O~

[Corto81]

90% of the game he isn't even there or mentioned?Well, he shares this with the Archdemon at least. I think he was the weakest "antagonist" I could imagine, beside Mass Effect-Ones...even when Alistair finally killed him I was just like "so what, can we go on now"? Arl Rendon Howe was by far more of a villain, too bad he wasn't used more.

 

 

How's that then?

 

You get to know Loghain, you learn if his victory with the old king vs Orlais.

After Ostagar you constantly see him in cutscenes, and he's behind the Arl Eamon poisoning.

He betrayed the king (who showed kindness to you), and is behind your family's demise if you were a Human Noble.

 

I don't need my antagonist to be popping up every 2 hours and mouthing off on me because... Well, to remind me he's there, and then he (or my toon) escapes every time.

THAT feels unrealistic. THAT feels like writing from the 70s.

 

You say you prefer a dark villain with no redeeming qualities? Fine then, Corypheus is your guy.
To me, it feels like a cheap comic book villain.

 

Loghain is human, and believes in what he does - even though a lot of it is through bad/evil/morally twisted actions.

And he is very present in the story, I'm pretty sure you're in the minority in regards to Origins when you say you felt Loghain was absent " for 90% of the game".

[pablosplinter]

I'm in the "David Warner for voicing every villain evah" camp.

To me, he will always be Doctor Klench. (bonus points for anyone who knows what I'm talking about)

[Isaidlunch]

I thought the villains from the Imperial Agent story in TOR were way better than anything else Bioware has done.

[sylvanaerie]

I thought the villains from the Imperial Agent story in TOR were way better than anything else Bioware has done.

The Star Cabal?  Now that was a good story!