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[jellobell]

Then why are we allowed to "puppeteer" the other romances, hm?

We...aren't? The romances are written, and then we're allowed to make choices within those relationships. Whether to encourage Cass to become Divine, for example. 

[errantknight]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the story, and I love the character.  If I didn't, I wouldn't be so worked up.

 

What I hate the most is that any conclusion to this romance is gated behind a big fat "maybe" and another purchase, just like with Morrigan.  As it stands, I love what they did with "Witch Hunt" and Morrigan!

This only happens to this degree when characters have significant roles to play that differ from what a player might wish in terms of their relationshop. They aren't doing it to be mean, but because they're important.

[jellobell]

Oh, don't get me wrong, I love the story, and I love the character.  If I didn't, I wouldn't be so worked up.

 

What I hate the most is that any conclusion to this romance is gated behind a big fat "maybe" and another purchase, just like with Morrigan.  As it stands, I love what they did with "Witch Hunt" and Morrigan!

Ah, so you're upset at the lack of closure. I get that. It's hard not to feel awful after that Alone on the Balcony Scene at the end.

 

However, I think getting closure later has the potential to make it an even better story than if we'd gotten closure at the end of Inquisition. Of course, it could also make things worse. We can't be sure yet. I guess that's why it's so frustrating being really invested in that relationship right now.

[Nhadalie]

Can we get back on topic here, guys? Kinda derailing the thread. It is to compare the different romances, not to complain. If you have complaints, set up a thread in the feedback section.

 

I have yet to find a romance that I haven't loved. Solas's was sad, yes. But also beautiful. And I can't wait to see what happens next with it. As far as him not getting fair treatment as a romance, perhaps. I think most people would love to have more content from him. But there's a fine line between spoiling the big reveal at the end, and giving him more content. You can ask him a few times when things seem.. Odd. And while he acknowledges them, he moves right on by.

 

Cullen's was sweet, and he and the Quizzy seem to be headed for wedding bells.   He genuinely loves her, and seems awed at the fact that in the middle of all these awful things. They were able to meet. Especially with a mage Quizzy.

 

And Blackwall.. I didn't think much of him before I flirted with him. But oh man. He gets you right in the feels. He adores the Quizzy, and you can feel it. She means a lot to him. I went into this further on the Blackwall thread, and I'll try to do it justice below in the spoilers.

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Blackwall has been through a lot. He watched his little sister die from some illness. He sought out glory in the grand tourney as a young man, and chose not to join the chevaliers, and make a name for himself. When he had the chance, he took up arms in support of Gaspard, and at some point became a captain in charge of others. Then he was given orders to have one of Celene's supporters killed. And being a good soldier, he went along with it. Then he heard the children singing nursery rhymes in the carriage, and freaked out. But it was already too late. His men attacked and killed the family.

 

So he ran. He couldn't face the people whose commands he followed. He couldn't face himself. And he knew that all he had to look forward to was the noose. So.. He left. And at some point, he encountered the real Blackwall. A man who believed that he deserved a chance to redeem himself. That Rainier could make a difference in the world, despite everything that he had done in the past. Then Warden Blackwall was killed by darkspawn, and Rainier had no way to join the wardens. He couldn't have known much, other than there was some ritual he hadn't completed. He had no way of knowing if the other wardens would still accept him. So he decided to do what he thought was best. He kept the memory of a good man alive, and took his name as something to live up to. He went around, teaching people to defend themselves, and helping them.

 

Then Rainier meets the Inquisitor. A woman who believes he is what he claims to be. A good honorable man. And she flirts with him, that certainly hasn't happened in awhile. He decides to join up, because they're the only ones trying to fix the world. And if he could help fix the world, perhaps he could be a better man. Then somehow, he falls for her. This woman who despite all odds, is pretty much single handedly saving the world. She looks at him, and he sees her view of him in her eyes. When he finds out about Mornay's execution, it isn't enough to pretend to be a good man. He loves her dearly, and knows that he has to do something. Rainier decides to sacrifice everything to do the right thing for once in his life. He gives up whatever happiness he could've had based on the lie, and accepts whatever punishment is seen fit for his lies. Then the Quizzy could save him, and show him that he is the good man he has always wanted to be.

 

It's absolutely beautiful.

[Tielis]

I'll just leave one more thought here.

 

If Cullen were to dump the inquisitor at the end no matter what she did due to predetermined "reasons", this thread would be completely redundant.

 

"Oh, but it didn't, because it doesn't fit his character!"  People, you are forgetting that this story has probably had a billion iterations already and can be changed at the whim of the bean counters at EA.

 

Nothing about DA is set in stone until the writers decide to make it so.  If the EA bean counters or Fox or whatever came hard down on the Cullen romance, suddenly "what fit his character" yesterday would be nothing more than a sad memory.

[errantknight]

I've only done the romance with Cassandra so far and it was awesome. Humorous AND romantic. Got in a little trouble for flirting a little too much with Josie without serious intent and that was so realistic, it reminded me of some uncomfortable RL convos I've both dealt out and recieved, lol. It was beautifully, sadly awkward.

 

Tiellis: (spoilers for Origins)

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This happened in Origins in 2 relationships.

This is not new. People were mad, they moved on. It is what it is.

[Bugsie]

I think it's a very subjective thing. I went into the game thinking 'I'm a femqunari, obviously I'll ride the bull.' But then I got into the game and was surprised by my attraction to Blackwall. Just hit all the right notes for me. Having been an outrageous flirt in this game, I've got a sense of what other romances I think I'll like, Dorian's, Cassandras and Solas are the ones I'm more interested in. I've seen some scenes of Cullen's and Josies, but they just feel too... Conventional, maybe a little too vanilla (nothing wrong with that it just has little appeal for me).

[Camenae]

Tielis, I feel your pain. Seriously, kudos to the writers for wringing so much emotion out of us, that we are actually lashing out in sheer bitterness and hurt like this.

Closure. I just want some closure. Even if the closure is him saying, no you know what now that you ask, I DON'T care about you. That would've been loads better, for me at least

Here Bioware, take my money. Where is the DLC please?

[Oswin]

I hate this guy. I have only ever hated one DA companion before and she (thankfully) snuffs it during her joining in DAA.
I think maybe he reminds me of her a bit. Acting like they are Wardens, that being one is some honorable and noble achievement, when they have no clue what they are on about. Eugh. Take your moral high ground and shove it.

Still, I am not one to hate a character without giving them a fair chance. I've started up a playthrough with him as my main warrior to see if I come to like him any better. Its currently not going too successfully because I'm also bringing Viv and she is hilariously awful to him. I'm am loving her right now.

I'm usually a fan of the disastrous relationships as well. But when someone like him says he's no good for me, I don't really feel like arguing otherwise.

[Estelindis]

I've only played Blackwall's romance so far.  I thought it was really good, especially around the "Revelations" part of the arc.  However, I think it needed a few more scenes here and there to cement it.  The content felt just a little too sparse.  I felt like my Inquisitor got to know Cullen better and forged a sounder bond with him in spite of never flirting with him, compared to doing the full romance with Blackwall and taking him in her party every time she went anywhere.  There seemed to be more content even for Cullen's friendship path.  It could just be my perception of things, though.

 

 

Alistair (king) -- can become mistress or queen, if you don't like being his mistress, you can roll another race or leave him as a Warden

If you're playing unspoiled, which I think is ideal, there's no way to know when you're creating your character who'll be able to romance or how it'll turn out.  No point saying "roll another race" when one is already 70+ hours in.  Can't be his mistress if you didn't choose the "hardening" option after Goldanna, the dialogue for which is quite counter-intuitive.  And leaving him as a Warden doesn't make sense for some people.  My city elf felt like Anora was out of touch with the alienage population, but Alistair would be good for them.  If I reloaded and made him not be king, I'd just be metagaming.  So my character got dumped and her heart got broken.  The Solas romance is thus hardly the first one to do it.  But I absolutely stand by Bioware's writing on this (apart from the hardening dialogue, which really needed to be clearer).

[Shinobu]

I hate this guy. I have only ever hated one DA companion before and she (thankfully) snuffs it during her joining in DAA.
I think maybe he reminds me of her a bit. Acting like they are Wardens, that being one is some honorable and noble achievement, when they have no clue what they are on about. Eugh. Take your moral high ground and shove it.
Still, I am not one to hate a character without giving them a fair chance. I've started up a playthrough with him as my main warrior to see if I come to like him any better. Its currently not going too successfully because I'm also bringing Viv and she is hilariously awful to him. I'm am loving her right now.
I'm usually a fan of the disastrous relationships as well. But when someone like him says he's no good for me, I don't really feel like arguing otherwise.

You hated mhairi? She was in the game for like, 10 minutes!

Also, isn't she voiced by femquiz's VA?

On topic, BLackwell drove me away after using his "I'm no good for you" line. The last time I ignored that warning my BF blew up a Chantry.

[errantknight]

You hated mhairi? She was in the game for like, 10 minutes!

Also, isn't she voiced by femquiz's VA?

On topic, BLackwell drove me away after using his "I'm no good for you" line. The last time I ignored that warning my BF blew up a Chantry.

Vivienne sufferd from the Anders effect when she asked me to get her ingredients and refused to say why. I said no, lol.

[prosthetic soul]

I think we can all agree player agency in RPGs is one of those eternal conundrums that will never be completely balanced the way writers and players want.  Personally, if I had it my way, every romance in every BioWare game would be like Blackwall's.  You could steer it in any direction you wanted.  You could have it end happily, or have it end sadly.  That's the beauty of Blackwall's romance.  It had its own narrative but it gave you agency WITHIN that narrative! 

 

Whereas if you make Cass The Divine inadvertently....TOUGH LUCK, your ass gets dropped harder than a ton of bricks!  You have no say in it.  Cassandra obviously cares more about the Chantry than she does you.  Then again, I don't plan on making her Divine in any of my playthroughs in which I'm romancing her ever again.  So there is still some agency there. 

[Sjofn]

On topic, BLackwell drove me away after using his "I'm no good for you" line. The last time I ignored that warning my BF blew up a Chantry.

 

Haha, it hardened my resolve to have my way with him. My thinking was more or less "I already dated a terrorist, you could not POSSIBLY be worse. COME AT ME, BRO."

[jellobell]

Haha, it hardened my resolve to have my way with him. My thinking was more or less "I already dated a terrorist, you could not POSSIBLY be worse. COME AT ME, BRO."

So what's the verdict? Better or worse than Anders?

 

I really need to flirt with Blackwall this next run. Haven't even tried yet. Torn on making a human or a Qunari for him. I'm worried that the animations might be weird for a qunari.

[Estelindis]

BLackwell drove me away after using his "I'm no good for you" line. The last time I ignored that warning my BF blew up a Chantry.

The reverse happened with me.  My Hawke took Anders at his word in DA2 and didn't continue their nascent romance (I think they'd maybe flirted twice), instead choosing Fenris.  Part of my decision that my Inquisitor would persist in romancing Blackwall came from the desire not to do the same thing in two games.   

[errantknight]

I think we can all agree player agency in RPGs is one of those eternal conundrums that will never be completely balanced the way writers and players want.  Personally, if I had it my way, every romance in every BioWare game would be like Blackwall's.  You could steer it in any direction you wanted.  You could have it end happily, or have it end sadly.  That's the beauty of Blackwall's romance.  It had its own narrative but it gave you agency WITHIN that narrative! 

 

Whereas if you make Cass The Divine inadvertently....TOUGH LUCK, your ass gets dropped harder than a ton of bricks!  You have no say in it.  Cassandra obviously cares more about the Chantry than she does you.  Then again, I don't plan on making her Divine in any of my playthroughs in which I'm romancing her ever again.  So there is still some agency there. 

It's not that she doesn't care about you, it's that she thinks she can make a difference and believes it to be her duty. I'm sure she wishes it wasn't a job where celibacy was a requirement. Think of it from her point of view She's a very passionate woman who feels that she has no choice but to condemn herself to a passioness and no doubt lonely existence. Of course, I didn't know that was the case until now.

[jtav]

I made a Cadash for Blackwall. Cadash is unrequitedly smitten with Cassandra. Ruh-roh.

[Sjofn]

So what's the verdict? Better or worse than Anders?

 

I really need to flirt with Blackwall this next run. Haven't even tried yet. Torn on making a human or a Qunari for him. I'm worried that the animations might be weird for a qunari.

 

Hmm. Let's say it was just different. But similar.

 

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It was similar in the I-was-blindsided aspect, because while of course I expected SOMEthing, what it actually ended up being surprised me. I think what Anders did was worse, in part because it had much further-reaching implications. Yes, doing something that winds up killing children directly is bad, but I'll not pretend the templar/mage war somehow left children unharmed. Plus I sort of enabled Anders leading up to it, so while I was kind of "Aw crap, Blackwall, what did you DO," with Anders it was, "Oh crap, WHAT DID YOU DO. Oh, crap, I HELPED YOU DO IT," which, while hilarious in retrospect, resulted in more AUGH.

 

Also I got to have my Inquisitor lament how she sure can pick 'em during the jail scene, which made EVERYTHING worth it.

 

 

edit: And, of course, Blackwall was actually sorry he did it. My first time through with Anders was a friendmance, so he was not even a tiny bit sorry, the jerk.

 

Also make a dwarf for him. Make a dwarf. <cough>

[mordy_was_here]

Also make a dwarf for him. Make a dwarf. <cough>

 

I did this yesterday and I do not regret it. Took me like, five rerolls to finally decide who I wanted to romance him with.

[jtav]

Why a dwarf? I mean I picked dwarf because I figured she'd be more likely to be forgiving, but any other reason?

[mordy_was_here]

Why a dwarf? I mean I picked dwarf because I figured she'd be more likely to be forgiving, but any other reason?

 

Just looks cute to me, personally. I like the height difference and I prefer the not-so-nice background. Compliments his well, if you play it right.

[Sjofn]

Why a dwarf? I mean I picked dwarf because I figured she'd be more likely to be forgiving, but any other reason?

 

Because dwarves are freaking awesome. Also I looked hilarious dancing with him.

 

 

(and yes, the shady background works nicely with his, but I didn't know​ that at the time)

[berelinde]

I picked a dwarf for him because I love dwarven ladies, but also, there's that thing Dorian's always going on about. I imagine Blackwell hugs feel awesome. He's a big guy, and probably kinda hairy. 

 

Also, as others have said...

 

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[Renmiri1]

I may be speaking out of turn here since I haven't QUITE experienced all the romances yet (28 people stopped reading here)

You didn't romance Solas, did you ?

 

And you probably haven't finished the game because Solas.... 

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is Fen'Harel and you can't beat romancing an immortal God. Talk about gravitas!