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[JnEricsonx]

What can a lone warden do

 

 

Save the ****** world if it comes to it..

 

 

 

welcome to the damn party bro.

 

 

Yeah, I was pumped after that line.

[Nirual86]

I played a Dwarven Noble Warden in Origins and took any chance I had to recruit criminals to redeem themselves (including Loghain) so I could very much relate to his desire to redeem himself as a Grey Warden.

 

Doesn't really matter he lied about it, he still tried to do good as a fake Grey Warden and his reveal was a very strong moment, especially if you consider that he could've just used his Grey Warden persona to save the guy by conscripting him.

 

That said, after that and Adamant Fortress, there should've been an option to make him perform the Joining. Even if that is kind of a stupid idea considering what you just learned about Corphyeus' power over Grey Wardens.

[Bixillarla]

Why does noone like Blackwall?

 

 

btw, Sera is overrated

I love Blackwall, my go to tank.  I also love Sera.  The two of them in the same party is hilarious, they get long great like old friends.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

I suppose people dislike Blackwall because on the surface he's a liar and as he won't share his past with you immediately he is a bit of mystery.

 

However, he is one of my favorites. He wants redemption and by him becoming Blackwall  and not wanting the world to lose a great man really makes him really interesting. He gave up his past life to further the legacy of one man.

 

Sure, he was a bad man in his past but if he was a good guy in a past life him taking up the name Blackwall would be lessened than the current situation, no? 

 

I think as people we like second chances and we like heroes after redemption. But I suppose people hate Blackwall because of their self projection and how "he gets to life a new life after he screwed up but I cannot."

 

Who knows.

 

One of my favorite characters. And on top of that: He is the tankiest tank. Even a level 1 counterstrike will save your party on nightmare like a mother effer.

Then again I suppose Blackwall's counterstrike workers on the people that dislike him too

"Yes, please, give me your aggro, It only makes me better."

[Chardonney]

I suppose people dislike Blackwall because on the surface he's a liar and as he won't share his past with you immediately he is a bit of mystery.

 

But I suppose people hate Blackwall because of their self projection and how "he gets to life a new life after he screwed up but I cannot."

 

Don't know about other players but those reasons to dislike Blackwall are as faraway from truth as possible, when it comes to me. I'm all for second changes and quite happy to give him one but what I won't tolerate is his high and mighty attitude, combined with him badmouthing others and Blackwall does that openly. He's especially hostile and rude towards Dorian, which was the final nail into the coffin. I could tolerate his boringness but I won't tolerate his meanness.   

[actionhero112]

Don't know about other players but those reasons to dislike Blackwall are as faraway from truth as possible, when it comes to me. I'm all for second changes and quite happy to give him one but what I won't tolerate is his high and mighty attitude, combined with him badmouthing others and Blackwall does that openly. He's especially hostile and rude towards Dorian, which was the final nail into the coffin. I could tolerate his boringness but I won't tolerate his meanness.   

 Was that before or after Dorian called all the wardens a bunch of murderers? 

 

I find it funny that you condemn Blackwall for being high and mighty, when that's the two words that most describe Dorian. He also has like 2 conversations that are argumentative, the rest are Dorian calling Blackwall variations of "hairy lummox" and convincing him that he should stop blaming himself for a mistake he made years ago. Also the beer banter. 

 

You don't have to use Blackwall, but don't say things that are untrue about him if you actually haven't used him for long and heard a lot of his banters. 

[Chardonney]

Before, actually. And it's not just Dorian he badmouths. Can't recall all the conversations but Dorian is not the only one. Like I said, that was only the final nail. But everyone is free to like Blackwall as much as they want. Also, Dorian may be showy but not high and mighty, which can be seen during his romance, so calling him that is also untrue. But I'm not here to fight with anyone because everyone has the right like who ever they choose, so I'll just withdraw from this thread. 

[Ryzaki]

Everytime I read an "I hate Blackwall" post, it reminds me to go to quartermaster Dennet and see if he's supplying any high horses that everyone seems to be riding on. 

 

That's kind of lulzy considering Blackwall is the one of the most high horsed companions in the game. (made even lulzer by who he really is).

[Chenoah]

Needs more personality and interaction. Then he could have been interesting. He always seems to have a stick up his ass. 

[actionhero112]

That's kind of lulzy considering Blackwall is the one of the most high horsed companions in the game. (made even lulzer by who he really is).

I don't get this. I use blackwall in all of my playthroughs and from all of his conversations, I don't really see this. At all. And coming from the people who don't even use him, I think it's simply misinformed. 

 

You know what I think? People are looking for reasons to hate him. But who and what he did isn't even that bad in the terms of this series. Hell what Solas did was much worse.

[Ryzaki]

I don't get this. I use blackwall in all of my playthroughs and from all of his conversations, I don't really see this. At all. And coming from the people who don't even use him, I think it's simply misinformed. 

 

You know what I think? People are looking for reasons to hate him. But who and what he did isn't even that bad in the terms of this series. Hell what Solas did was much worse.

 

It's coming from his hostile conversations. Particularly him storming off calling you a leader of thugs and a self serving tyrant (lulz)

 

What he says is utterly laughable considering his history (particularly the way he says it the self righteousness just dripping).

 

It also comes from doing his romance and his "you shouldn't use your powers for X" at the judgement.

 

And I think you really shouldn't try to tell other people what they feel and why they feel it. Oh yes I never denied Solas did terrible actions. You can punch his smug little self in the face too. Probably why I tolerate him more. I don't mind terrible actions when personality makes up for it. Blackwall's doesn't for me. If it does for you that's great.

[actionhero112]

It's coming from his hostile conversations. Particularly him storming off calling you a leader of thugs and a self serving tyrant (lulz)

 

What he says is utterly laughable considering his history (particularly the way he says it the self righteousness just dripping).

 

It also comes from doing his romance and his "you shouldn't use your powers for X" at the judgement.

 

And I think you really shouldn't try to tell other people what they feel and why they feel it. Oh yes I never denied Solas did terrible actions. You can punch his smug little self in the face too. Probably why I tolerate him more. I don't mind terrible actions when personality makes up for it. Blackwall's doesn't for me. If it does for you that's great.

 

Aren't you trying to convince everyone else your opinion on blackwall is the correct one? Considering I don't find Blackwall to be smug or self righteous, you telling me that he is, is essentially telling me how to feel, when I've already expressed my opinion. If you think my opinion is valid in it's own right, then don't try to invalidate it. Oh and I don't think your opinion is valid. 

 

Considering his history? History of what? Saving people? Teaching people how to take care of themselves? Blackwall is the only companion besides arguably Sera that you recruit actively doing good. 

 

Can't you leave blackwall to die? I place that a bit higher on the revenge scale than "punch him in the face lul xd"

 

The world could use more Blackwalls. People who take stock of their actions, responsibility for their mistakes and atone for their crimes. I find him inspirational. 

[Ryzaki]

Aren't you trying to convince everyone else your opinion on blackwall is the correct one? Considering I don't find Blackwall to be smug or self righteous, you telling me that he is, is essentially telling me how to feel, when I've already expressed my opinion. If you think my opinion is valid in it's own right, then don't try to invalidate it. Oh and I don't think your opinion is valid. 

 

Considering his history? History of what? Saving people? Teaching people how to take care of themselves? Blackwall is the only companion besides arguably Sera that you recruit actively doing good. 

 

Can't you leave blackwall to die? I place that a bit higher on the revenge scale than "punch him in the face lul xd"

 

The world could use more Blackwalls. People who take stock of their actions, responsibility for their mistakes and atone for their crimes. I find him inspirational. 

 

Not at all. I'm simply saying how I feel on him. I only quoted you because you seem to be under the impression that the ones who dislike him are on a high horse because of his crimes. That's hardly the case.

 

That said *pats* There there. It'll be okay we don't all have to like the same characters.

 

Considering his history of playing the game and hiding from his actions for the last...however long he's been pretending to be Blackwall.

 

That's not revenge. That's simply justice.

 

Revenge is probably exiling him with the rest of the wardens before being aware of his lie. Lulz.

 

Which is great for you. I find him boring, judgmental and not at all someone I'd enjoy bringing around. Saying someone's trying to find a excuse to dislike him is...bleh.

[actionhero112]

Not at all. I'm simply saying how I feel on him. I only quoted you because you seem to be under the impression that the ones who dislike him are on a high horse because of his crimes. That's hardly the case.

 

That said *pats* There there. It'll be okay we don't all have to like the same characters.

 

Considering his history of playing the game and hiding from his actions for the last...however long he's been pretending to be Blackwall.

 

That's not revenge. That's simply justice.

 

Revenge is probably exiling him with the rest of the wardens before being aware of his lie. Lulz.

 

Which is great for you. I find him boring, judgmental and not at all someone I'd enjoy bringing around. Saying someone's trying to find a excuse to dislike him is...bleh.

 

I've never said that people have to like him. I said the people actively hating him are wrong and pretentious. 

 

Justice? What about the people who will die because Blackwall won't be there to save them? Where is their justice? I don't see the justice in killing a good man that has atoned for his crimes and is committed to doing good. I see only petty revenge for petty reasons.

 

He's a great person and an amazing character. I'm sorry you're blind to it. 

[Ryzaki]

I've never said that people have to like him. I said the people actively hating him are wrong and pretentious. 

 

Justice? What about the people who will die because Blackwall won't be there to save them? Where is their justice? I don't see the justice in killing a good man that has atoned for his crimes and is committed to doing good. I see only petty revenge for petty reasons.

 

He's a great person and an amazing character. I'm sorry you're blind to it. 

 

I highly doubt anyone actually is going to expel energy hating a video game character. Most you'll get is dislike.

 

That's some of the most absurd reasoning I have ever seen.

 

That man killed a entire family then ran away from the crime and played pretend while letting other people take the fall. His beheading is simply delayed justice.

 

But again I don't care about the crime as much as his self righteousness. Sten did a similar crime and I actually like him. His personality and dialogue carry him in ways Blackwall's never will for me. And Sten is hardly a paragon of morality.

 

In your opinion you mean.

[actionhero112]

I highly doubt anyone actually is going to expel energy hating a video game character. Most you'll get is dislike.

 

That's some of the most absurd reasoning I have ever seen.

 

That man killed a entire family then ran away from the crime and played pretend while letting other people take the fall. His beheading is simply delayed justice.

 

But again I don't care about the crime as much as his self righteousness. Sten did a similar crime and I actually like him. His personality and dialogue carry him in ways Blackwall's never will for me. And Sten is hardly a paragon of morality.

 

In your opinion you mean.

 

Then obviously my original statement didn't apply to you, because you don't hate Blackwall. It clearly was meant for people that hate Blackwall. It says it in the post

 

Uh no. Because they're already dead, you don't save more people by killing Blackwall. You could make him atone for his crimes, but he's already doing that. He can only do more good by living. Why would you end that? 

 

 Did you execute sten/zevran/morrigan/leliana/solas/anders/nathaniel/velanna etc. for also being murderers? If not, you're simply executing him for having for what you see as a stuck up personality and you must be a swell person. How's it feel in that saddle? Comfortable? 

 

Nope. He's a good person and great character. 

[Ryzaki]

Then obviously my original statement didn't apply to you, because you don't hate Blackwall. It clearly was meant for people that hate Blackwall. It says it in the post

 

Uh no. Because they're already dead, you don't save more people by killing Blackwall. You could make him atone for his crimes, but he's already doing that. He can only do more good by living. Why would you end that? 

 

 Did you execute sten/zevran/morrigan/leliana/solas/anders/nathaniel/velanna etc. for also being murderers? If not, you're simply executing him for having for what you see as a stuck up personality and you must be a swell person. How's it feel in that saddle? Comfortable? 

 

Nope. He's a good person and great character. 

 

Considering no one actually hates a fictional character unless they have mental problems...

 

That's not how justice works. Also I never said I saved more people by killing Blackwall. As for why would I end that? Because honestly he should've been killed a while ago. He stole a dead man's identity and didn't even have the brass to turn himself over to the Wardens. If you want to spare him that's your prerogative.

 

Yeah actually . Velanna is a smear on the floor in Awakening gamestates. But again that's mostly do to her crappy personality. As for high horse. Again my issue isn't with his crime it's with his personality. But you keep clinging to that high horse defense. It clearly is all you've got.

 

Once again in your opinion. I heavily disagree.

[Biotic Flash Kick]

Someone call the fire house to see if they are missing a cherry picker. 

 

Seriously, if you go out of your way to treat a character like poo then don't expect them to have the friendliest banter. 

And let's be fair, it is one of the easiest things in the game to get blackwall's approval outside solas with asking questions and activating the artifacts. 

 

Blackwall leaving happens when you are such an evil person he cannot stand behind you. What he did affected his men and a family. What the inquisitor does affects all of Thedas. So don't compare the selfishness of the inquisitor with blackwall because they are completely different scales and scopes. 

The inquisitor with 50 at approval at the end of the ball has done more harm than Blackwall ever will. 

 

A decent sized point of Blackwall is redemption/second chances. If Blackwall was so terrible then why didn't he conscript his former comrade opposed to owning up? You could have easily gone to the Western Approach killed some darkspawn got the blood and have done the Joining ritual.

 

Blackwall is a great character and in the end he did own up to his mistakes.  

[berelinde]

Specced right, Blackwall is the best warrior in the game, especially if you like tanks (I do). I'm not going to get into his character arc because you're either going to like him or you aren't, but I will say that I do. Very much. He's made mistakes. He's living with the consequences. I respect that. It helps if you believe in second chances.

[Ryzaki]

Someone call the fire house to see if they are missing a cherry picker. 

 

Seriously, if you go out of your way to treat a character like poo then don't expect them to have the friendliest banter. 

And let's be fair, it is one of the easiest things in the game to get blackwall's approval outside solas with asking questions and activating the artifacts. 

 

Blackwall leaving happens when you are such an evil person he cannot stand behind you. What he did affected his men and a family. What the inquisitor does affects all of Thedas. So don't compare the selfishness of the inquisitor with blackwall because they are completely different scales and scopes. 

The inquisitor with 50 at approval at the end of the ball has done more harm than Blackwall ever will. 

 

A decent sized point of Blackwall is redemption/second chances. If Blackwall was so terrible then why didn't he conscript his former comrade opposed to owning up? You could have easily gone to the Western Approach killed some darkspawn got the blood and have done the Joining ritual.

 

Blackwall is a great character and in the end he did own up to his mistakes.  

 

actually no. There are hardly any "evil" decisions in this game so please don't even try that one. He decides since he disagrees with you you're a self serving thug because we all know Blackwall is the beacon of righteousness.

 

Also being questioning about him being a warden is treating him like poo now? You do realize Blackwall is the character who sneers at you being a necromancer (and calls you a necrophile if you're male.) **** he even does that when you're friendly.

 

LOL at evil again. No. There are no kick puppies decisions in this game (save like one and you only get a minus 5 from that one). Also please please show me all the decisions the Inquisitor makes that are ultimately self serving. Because I spent my whole game chasing around crap for people and I got hit with his hissy fit scene after Halamashiral.

 

You're kidding right? What's wrong with having 50 court approval? (Granted my PC isn't incompetent enough to end up with so low approval but I doubt it stops you from getting the Celene continues to rule ending and considering that's what you went there for that's hardly a failure).

 

Which is great. I have no issues with second chances. I do have issues when they come wrapped in a pretentious package. Probably because conscription is only as powerful as whoever allows it to be. Conscriptions can and have been denied. You should know from DAO Conscription isn't some get out of jail free card.

 

Also Blackwall doesn't even know how the joining is done so...?

 

If you feel he's great that's good for you. But your opinion is not a fact. I think Fenris is awesome. I'm well aware tha'ts not a fact and plenty of people have perfectly valid reasons to like him. Someone disliking your favorite isn't an attack on your person. And in some gamestates he owned up for his mistakes yes.

[Ryzaki]

Specced right, Blackwall is the best warrior in the game,

 

This is very true. He's a crazy tank. 

[simpatikool]

Blackwall is an amazing Tank.

[DanteYoda]

Why does noone like Blackwall?

 

 

btw, Sera is overrated

I actually find they are both pretty good members of the Team, my Sera is Dual wield though, she rips in combat.

[stop_him]

Well, I'm a rogue on my Nightmare playthrough which means Sera is permanently warming the bench. I don't need another rogue when my character is already the best rogue in the party bar freakin none! My rogue needs tanks and crowd-control mages.

 

My first playthrough was a mage. I used Sera initially, but ditched her in favor of Cole, whose banter I enjoy more. I made him an archer.

 

My 2-handed warrior may use her though.

[DanteYoda]

Sera is not so much overrated as she is an elaborate experiment by Bioware to create the most terrible companion ever, and see if there are people silly enough to still fawn over her.

If you really believe that then you've completely missed why Sera was added.

 

Of the whole group she is by far the most deep and interesting character, you need to scratch the surface though.

 

Personally to me Blackwall embodies what it is to be a warden far more than most real wardens do, and he does it well.