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[uncledolan]

So DAO which is constantly lauded here had such great side quests? Do we not remember the Red Jenny box delivery? The deliver herbs to mages quest? Selling a book to a cleric? I mean seriously, most of DAO's sidequests were totally forgettable and inconsequential but suddenly that's forgotten? Meh.

 

Also, why does anyone give a rats ass what a guy on YouTube thinks? Can you folks not think for yourselves and actually look at issues yourselves, is your self-esteem so low you need constant affirmation of your ideas from outside sources? Again, meh.

First off TotalBiscut is a very well known member of the gaming community, he has done major commentary on competitive games such as Starcraft 2, Dota2, and CS:GO, and has also played a great number of games so I respect his opinion but I still have my own. I don't see what is so different from listening to his opinions and listening to an sports analyst.

 

I also don't understand why you are so butt hurt

[WarBaby2]

Sorry Gothfather, but I'm 37 years old and have been playing (and writing for) RPG's (computer and otherwise) for close to 25 years now. Fantasy has ben an integral part of my life and is one of my biggest passions. So, you may not like my choice of words, but, for all intents an purposes, I am more then qualified to judge whether a game in "my" genre is crafted solidly or lazily... giving my background, however, I am also not that easily excited by a new game anymore, the way some of my younger/less experienced fellow gamers might be, and I'm aware of that. That's what I meant when I wrote: "Easily entertained".

 

Also, I didn't post the vid to change anybodies opinion on the game, I just posted it because TB pretty much makes all my points for me, far better then I could off the top of my head... that's all.

[berrieh]

Sorry Gothfather, but I'm 37 years old and have been playing (and writing for) RPG's (computer and otherwise) for close to 25 years now. Fantasy has ben an integral part of my life and is one of my biggest passions. So, you may not like my choice of words, but, for all intents an purposes, I am more then qualified to judge whether a game in "my" genre is crafted solidly or lazily... giving my background, however, I am also not that easily excited by a new game anymore, the way some of my younger/less experienced fellow gamers might be, and I'm aware of that. That's what I meant when I wrote: "Easily entertained".

 

Also, I didn't post the vid to change anybodies opinion on the game, I just posted it because TB pretty much makes all my points for me, far better then I could off the top of my head... that's all.

 

You don't own the genre. I'm going to echo what Gothfather said with this one. 

 

"My" genre. Ha. 

 

I'm slightly younger than you, but in my 30s, and have been playing both video game RPGs and pen-and-paper RPGs since I was 5, but I don't think that gives me special dispensation to determine what ALL RPGs should be forever. For me, DA:I easily makes it close to my favorite RPGs of all time - I can see the influence of pen-and-paper and I love it (even if it can't be done the way it should in a video game) and the world is richly realized, and every aspect ties together. These are improvements. It's not a perfect game, but what is? 

 

At any rate, I'd never say my opinion mattered more because I've played games for longer. That's stupid. I paid the same money as everyone else, and that's what matters. Everyone is more than qualified to judge whether the game lived up to what they wanted from it and was worth that money - I don't understand the need for such self-importance on the matter. Expressing one's opinion is fine, but not as a fact. 

 

Now we can state facts like "DA2 had repetitive environments" or "DA:I used the 3rd person camera in conversations more" that might support our opinions, but our opinions are not facts. 

[brzoz]

@berrieh:

touchy, are we? did you actually read what the man wrote or do you just pick on people (who think DAI has flaws)... you know - as a rule?

[WarBaby2]

Opinions are never fact - that's not an opinion, it's a fact.

 

Joking aside: I disagree that the opinion of somebody that has spent decades with a certain topic and all it's facettes is as valid as the opinion of someone that mere dabbled in it from time to time, but it can be as easily dismissed, if one chooses to do so... I can't force people to see things my way.

 

Also: Calling fantasy "my" genre doesn't mean "I own it".

[Zorlagius]

Opinions are also not equal - Mistaken claim that many make when they encounter resistance or opposition. Neither are credentials any guarantee of having a quality opinion on a given matter. Each opinion should be looked at by its own merit and logic, regardless of who gives it.

[lyleoffmyspace]

It wasn't that they aren't relevant, it is that they are mostly the same, and just completely uninteresting... Go to point on map, pick something up, quest complete. No interaction with anyone, no choice to be made, just nothing really. Occasionally it will be go to point on map, kill everyone, quest completed.

There are far too many quests like this, and before anyone says you don't have to do them, that doesn't make sense. You don't know what is involved in the quest before you do it... Who else thought the note about the two Templars in the Hinterlands sounded interesting?... Nope, just pick something up, quest over.

 

At the start of the game when the open world becomes avaliable, you're like AWESOME, GET TO DO ALL THESE QUESTS WHICH GIVE ME POWER! Then a few hours into the game you have 100 power, realise it's pretty much worthless, and the quests are just copy and pasted.

[WarBaby2]

Opinions are also not equal - Mistaken claim that many make when they encounter resistance or opposition. Neither are credentials any guarantee of having a quality opinion on a given matter. Each opinion should be looked at by its own merit and logic, regardless of who gives it.

So, when asking two doctors - one a cancer expert, one a general physician - about how long you will last with your particular cancer, you would belive, what, the opinion you happen to like more? Sorry, but how else do you want to judge the validity of a statement then by looking at who makes it?

[brzoz]

Opinions are also not equal - Mistaken claim that many make when they encounter resistance or opposition. Neither are credentials any guarantee of having a quality opinion on a given matter. Each opinion should be looked at by its own merit and logic, regardless of who gives it.

opinions can be measured. opinions are quantifiable. opinions influence other opinions, their weight can be measured (in this case in subscribers).

 

there is no point in seeking logic of a single opinion, there is statistics.

[Teddie Sage]

The real question is, why should I care about what he has to say?

[brzoz]

you don't have to care.

i do, because TB makes sense, even if i disagree with him on some points, and i'm pretty happy that someone put that info here

[Teddie Sage]

He makes sense only because he's eloquent. That doesn't mean I should care for someone else's opinion when I'm fine with the game besides its lousy final boss and the lack of importance of the Skyhold upgrades. Also, I got a short attention span. This video is way too long.

[Taura-Tierno]

 

Easy, because that's what the industry want's to promote as "good game design" these days... open world games are easier to do then tightly written, content rich ones.

 
Also people want it ... neither DA:O nor DA2 had any sort of open world exploration. Heck, there wasn't really any exploration, more than in a narrow first-person shooter. And a lot of people like Skyrim-style exploration. The problem with that is that it's more difficult to write a tight story, since those two are kind of opposing factors. 

I think DA:I did a very decent job of attempting to have an engaging story and an open world game. Could it have been better? Heck yes. As Bioware often seems to do, I think they'll take that with them for the future and improve on what they did here. 

 

[Kinsz]

So, when asking two doctors - one a cancer expert, one a general physician - about how long you will last with your particular cancer, you would belive, what, the opinion you happen to like more? Sorry, but how else do you want to judge the validity of a statement then by looking at who makes it?

Lol this is a bad comparaison my friend , in this case yes the opinion of a more experience doctor matters, gaming is a different beast however , where all that matters is one's personal preference.

 

Anyways im younger than you but  i've been gaming for a while myself , i played the FF series from the 4th one to the 10th , i played the original Castlevanias, super mario rpgs and advanture ,the legend of zeldas ,  the first street fighters , killer instinct, Xenogear , tales of symphonia etc... these are all different genres i know but just trying to show you that , like you , i've been around, this however doesnt mean that my preference carries more weight than someone whose first RPG was Dragon Age Origins.

[WarBaby2]

He makes sense only because he's eloquent. That doesn't mean I should care for someone else's opinion when I'm fine with the game besides its lousy final boss and the lack of importance of the Skyhold upgrades. Also, I got a short attention span. This video is way too long.

Ha, well, that pretty much sums up why video game journalism is really dying...

[Kohaku]

The real question is, why should I care about what he has to say?

That's just it. You shouldn't. No one should. I don't care as much what he has to say even if I agree with it wholeheartedly. The only real opinion is our own. This is the reason I read reviews but take then with a grain of salt. All commercial reviews said this game is the pinnacle of RPGs, etc ad nauseum. They somehow neglected to point out the constant sub questing and how much of it doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. I probably would have been angry had I listened to them at all. I got the game of my own volition and wish I had waited. It's my fault. No one else's. I only can kick myself for being stupid.

[berrieh]

@berrieh:

touchy, are we? did you actually read what the man wrote or do you just pick on people (who think DAI has flaws)... you know - as a rule?

 

Yeah, it was what he wrote that I thought warranted response (the part I quoted) and would whether he was saying DA:I was the world's best game, the world's worst, or anything in between. 

 

I don't care about the criticism of the game, but his comments to Gothfather were ridiculous. No one has any more right to an opinion than anyone else, and anyone presenting their opinions as objective fact (which was what Gothfather accused him of, and what he was responding to basically saying he can do that) is wrong and should be addressed. I don't know if it was his initial goal to present his opinions as objective fact or not, but the post he wrote was arrogant and suggested he had no problem doing so because he'd been playing RPGs for awhile and thus "knew better" than others.

 

Criticize the game all you want. Not the issue.

 

As to the doctor analogy, of course the doctor with more verifiable experience in a learned, professional environment has more expertise in the medical reality. But, in that case, we're dealing in facts. A programmer who'd made video games would have more expertise in explaining engine limitations - that's a related video game analogy. Doctors don't give true "opinions" even if we call them that. They give educated hypothesis, at worst. You can't compare that to someone speaking on a message board about video games. 

 

Has someone who's played more games developed a better basis for comparison? Sure. That's reasonable. But to act like it makes them some kind of expert.... only on trends in games throughout the year, not on what makes a "good" game, unless they're looking at what sells and gets critical acclaim, rather than what their personal preference of "good" is. 

 

Anyway, I'm done with that topic as it's wandering "OT" but that was why I responded. Not because of his opinion on the game but because of his opinion of his expertise. 

[ZoliCs]

The real question is, why should I care about what he has to say?

Do you say this to everyone who forms an opinon on a forum? A forum that's prurpose is to share your opinion?

[Teddie Sage]

Do you say this to everyone who forms an opinon on a forum? A forum that's prurpose is to share your opinion?

Only when people think he's the second coming of Jesus.

[TheLittleBird]

The real question is, why should I care about what he has to say?

 

This is what forums are all about.

 

People share their opinions and then discuss them with others. You don't have to care about someone's opinion, sure, but a lot of people seem to agree with what TB has to say, myself included to a certain degree, and want to give our feedback on the game. It's not like you suddenly have to care about what TB has to say, nor any other videogame critic for that matter, but it goes both ways. Nobody has to care about anybody's opinion. But it can help to discuss someone's opinion. For feedback's sake, sure, but I've found that listening to and discussing what other people think can help in establishing your own opinion about the game.

 

But you're right. You don't have to care. And no one said you should.

[Teddie Sage]

It's like TB holds all the answers to everything. I don't get his appeal and personally, I don't like that. It's like suddenly, people say: Listen to him, become a sheep and screw what you think. That's what I think whenever I hear about Total Biscuit.

[Morty Smith]

It's like TB holds all the answers to everything. I don't get his appeal and personally, I don't like that. It's like suddenly, people say: Listen to him, become a sheep and screw what you think. That's what I think whenever I hear about Total Biscuit.

 

The real question is, why should I care about what you have to say about what he has to say?

[Teddie Sage]

The real question is, why should I care about what you have to say about what he has to say?

You don't have to. Surprise!

[TheLittleBird]

It's like TB holds all the answers to everything. I don't get his appeal and personally, I don't like that. It's like suddenly, people say: Listen to him, become a sheep and screw what you think. That's what I think whenever I hear about Total Biscuit.

 

Well, I do think he's a good videogame critic who knows what to look for when talking about (PC) games. It's why he's become so popular, not to mention that he always claims to do what he does for his viewers (he says he never takes any money from companies for good reviews, for example). He also continually stresses that his word shouldn't be the last on a particular game, and people shouldn't look at just one review before buying something. He says it's important, and I very much agree, that you understand where a reviewer is coming from and can then get a good image of what you think about a game. 

 

Because of his popularity he gets posted a lot on forums or reddit or whatever. That's just the way it is. And clearly the OP agreed with a lot of what TB and co. said here. I do too, for the most part. You don't have to care about what he has to say, but clearly some people do.